Can You Tell a Sunni From a Shiite?

[RickSp]

Here is a stunning example of the hubris and ignorance of imperialism. Jeff Stein of the New York Times asked a question to senior government officials including the counter-terrorism chief the FBI and members of Congress who are chairs of various intelligence subcommittees. The question was simple but most got it wrong - “Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?”

Can You Tell a Sunni From a Shiite?

FOR the past several months, I’ve been wrapping up lengthy interviews with Washington counterterrorism officials with a fundamental question: “Do you know the difference between a Sunni and a Shiite?” A “gotcha” question? Perhaps. But if knowing your enemy is the most basic rule of war, I don’t think it’s out of bounds. And as I quickly explain to my subjects, I’m not looking for theological explanations, just the basics: Who’s on what side today, and what does each want? A complete collapse in Iraq could provide a haven for Al Qaeda operatives within striking distance of Israel, even Europe. And the nature of the threat from Iran, a potential nuclear power with protégés in the Gulf states, northern Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories, is entirely different from that of Al Qaeda. It seems silly to have to argue that officials responsible for counterterrorism should be able to recognize opportunities for pitting these rivals against each other. But so far, most American officials I’ve interviewed don’t have a clue. That includes not just intelligence and law enforcement officials, but also members of Congress who have important roles overseeing our spy agencies. How can they do their jobs without knowing the basics? ... Representative Jo Ann Davis, a Virginia Republican who heads a House intelligence subcommittee charged with overseeing the C.I.A.’s performance in recruiting Islamic spies and analyzing information, was similarly dumbfounded when I asked her if she knew the difference between Sunnis and Shiites. “Do I?” she asked me. A look of concentration came over her face. “You know, I should.” She took a stab at it: “It’s a difference in their fundamental religious beliefs. The Sunni are more radical than the Shia. Or vice versa. But I think it’s the Sunnis who’re more radical than the Shia.” Did she know which branch Al Qaeda’s leaders follow? “Al Qaeda is the one that’s most radical, so I think they’re Sunni,” she replied. “I may be wrong, but I think that’s right.” Did she think that it was important, I asked, for members of Congress charged with oversight of the intelligence agencies, to know the answer to such questions, so they can cut through officials’ puffery when they came up to the Hill? “Oh, I think it’s very important,” said Ms. Davis, “because Al Qaeda’s whole reason for being is based on their beliefs. And you’ve got to understand, and to know your enemy.” It’s not all so grimly humorous. Some agency officials and members of Congress have easily handled my “gotcha” question. But as I keep asking it around Capitol Hill and the agencies, I get more and more blank stares. Too many officials in charge of the war on terrorism just don’t care to learn much, if anything, about the enemy we’re fighting. And that’s enough to keep anybody up at night.

Read the article. It is scary. Iraq is in a burgeoning civil war primarily between Sunnia and Shiites and yet it appears that most in positions of authority in our government can't tell one from the other.

[underbear1]

The Sunnis are the dead ones with drilled holes in their heads left in the Sunnis neighborhoods.
The Shiites are the beheaded dead ones found in the Shiite neighborhoods.

[lsbskins1]

Tragic really. But, not surprising.

[Abdullah]

Quote by: underbear1 The Sunnis are the dead ones with drilled holes in their heads left in the Sunnis neighborhoods. The Shiites are the beheaded dead ones found in the Shiite neighborhoods.

Yeah, nice way to tell the difference :rolleyes:

Shias wear more black I think, but you really can't tell until Shias start beating their chests like animals .... ah nevermind.

[Jason]

Let's be respectful, please.

[The Architect]

I cant tell them apart.

[underbear1]

Don't feel bad about not being able to tell a Sunnis from a Shiite, Homeland security folks can't tell Hindus from Muslims, and Border Patrol can't tell Latinos from Hezbollah.

[Abdullah]

It's like asking someone to tell apart a Roman Catholic from a Protestant, ain't easy...

[RickSp]

Pretty obvious that the question was not whether one could distinquish a Sunni from a Shiite by sight, but whether the officials had an idea about the doctrinal and regional differences. They couldn't.

But then you knew that already.

[abub]

i know the differences between sunni and shi'i islam... that is, the sunnis believe in caliphs and the shi'as believe in descendents of the prophet muhammed, or imams. i've never really grasped why they have such beef with eachother, though. why can't they all just get along?

[RickSp]

Quote by: abub i know the differences between sunni and shi'i islam... that is, the sunnis believe in caliphs and the shi'as believe in descendents of the prophet muhammed, or imams. i've never really grasped why they have such beef with eachother, though. why can't they all just get along?

Theists are like that. Look how many centuries Christians spent slaughtering each other over doctrine.