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May 8, 2004, 02:33 am
| #81 (permalink) (top) |
| Retired  Posts: 7,312 | You're good at not answering questions. Are you related to Bush? Of course Israel is a good ally - I'm sure anyone could be bought for the billions we give each year. But that doesn't rationalize invading countries who have a legitimate dispute with them. Israel is a lot better equipped than Syria, including WMD's, so don't you worry your pretty head over that. BTW, you don't mind death and destruction for no reason? That's pretty horrible.... "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali |
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May 8, 2004, 10:25 pm
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<!--QuoteBegin-Mia,@ Israel is a lot better equipped than Syria, including WMD's, so don't you worry your pretty head over that.[/quote] So why would they need us to take care of their business? <!--QuoteBegin-Mia, BTW, you don't mind death and destruction for no reason? That's pretty horrible....[/quote]There is a reason..you're just unwilling to see it... "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill | |||
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May 8, 2004, 10:42 pm
| #83 (permalink) (top) |
| Retired Posts: 7,312 | What is that reason? I've asked you 5 times now. Anyone MAY do anything. Whether they are likely to it's what matters. Switzerland MAY get taken over by aliens and attack us but we're not going to wage another pre-emtive war based on that remote posibility. You have nothing to point out to say why Syria WOULD. In all the 56 years that Syria has been at war with Israel, they have NEVER used WMD and have NEVER supported any group that does anything outside of Israel. You obviously don't know one thing about the government over there or you'd understand al-quida is the last person they'd aid in any way. As to your question why does Israel need us if they are so well equipped? Duh.....we're the ones who make sure they are well equipped, hello? Are you in there? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali |
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May 9, 2004, 02:55 am
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| Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759 | Quote:
That's a bit of a misconception...there was no "pre-emptive" war.....Saddam failed to comply with the terms of his cease fire agreement from the original gulf war. Our status went from War->Cease fire...he didn't comply, we went from cease fire->War...there was no pre-emption...he brought it on himself. Quote:
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If you want to trust Syria to never use and/or never sell they're stockpiles of WMD's(including what they recieved from Iraq), that's VERY VERY trusting of you...can I barrow $100,000? I promise I'll pay it back! <!--QuoteBegin-Mia,@ You obviously don't know one thing about the government over there or you'd understand al-quida is the last person they'd aid in any way.[/quote] Please forgive my lack of understanding of the Syrian govt. The ones who took WMD's for after they were paid the sum of $50 million, the ones support the complete and utter destruction of Israel, the onese who support the use of homicide bombing attacks...no, they'd never do anything to us....ROFL... <!--QuoteBegin-Mia, As to your question why does Israel need us if they are so well equipped? Duh.....we're the ones who make sure they are well equipped, hello? Are you in there?[/quote]We make sure they're well equiped? They produce some of the best weapons on the planet, without our help...and since you just said that they're ALREADY equipped, again, I ask, what do they need us for? "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill | |||
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May 9, 2004, 05:21 am
| #85 (permalink) (top) |
| Retired Posts: 7,312 | Oh, boy. How to explain something to someone who knows absolutely nothing af any of the premises...sigh...I will give it a try: First, even your buddy Bush called it a pre-emptive war, so you can get off that denial, Second, there is ZERO evidence that Syria sold anything to al-quida that went into Jordan. Third, the reason I know Syria would not aid al-quida has nothing to do with the fact that it has nothing to do with Israel. Syria's President is from a sect of Islam called Alawi. Alawites are considered anywhere from Christians (they follow many Christian practices and reject the sources other than the Quran that other Muslims go by) to infidels. Alawites were slaughtered and oppressed by every government that seized power in that country before and after independance. Men had only the choice of military service as a decent paying job. Assad Senior was educated under the French rule that tried to help alawites. He went into the air force and joined up with people who eventually used the large Alawite majority in the military to take power over the country. He is the first stable leader ever in that country, but fundamentalists want him dead. In the seventies and eighties, the Muslim Brotherhood (kind of a father group to al-quida) bombed hospitals and schools and assasinated members of the government in an effort to take over. They were cornered into a city an bombed to bits. Al-Quida would overthrow the Syrian government in a heartbeat given half a chance, so NO, they WOULD not aid them! Not because they are so good and noble as you think I am trying to assert - but because the President is self-preserving as we all are and why would you arm your greatest threat? THIRD: With regard to Syria getting rid of their WMD's, they proposed a resolution to rid the entire ME of them, including themselves. WE said no to this because we will not take them from Israel. Why are some people allowed to have them and others not? It's the ones shown to be responsible with them that are allowed. There is no reason for anyone to believe we won't use them except the fact that we haven't, so it is unfair to expect that they will sit there with a neighboring enemy who has them, and not have them as a deterrant to Israel using them. It's like the US and USSR constantly keeping up with each other to make sure the other didn't strike. Forth, Assad has stated that he is willing to make peace with Israel the minute they give back the Golan Heights and pull back from all occupied areas. Fifth, Israel's economy cannot stand on it's own. The latest weapon would have backrupted them had we not continued to feed them billions every year. If they don't need us, why do we keep sending them all this money? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali |
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May 9, 2004, 06:24 am
| #86 (permalink) (top) |
| Retired Posts: 7,312 | Diaval, what kind of person admits he knows absoutely nothing about a country, it's government, it's people, it's likeliness to be a threat or not and then turn around and say you are fully prepared to assume the worst and have no problem invading them, destroying their infrastructre, and killing mass numbers of innocent people. Not to mention, were we to give them "democracy" they'd choose exactly the kind of government we don't want! Fundamentalist Islamic! Assad is doing one of the best jobs in the ME of keeping all different, warring factions from killing each other and living together peacefully. They root out and destroy or evict Al-Quida types for their own benefit and help us for ours. Women and minorities have rights over there and you want to take that away from them Ignorance like yours is what allows our "democratic system" to fail and turn into a dictatorwhip when all the President has to do is tell you something, you believe it without any investigation of your own, and then give him your consent. America apparently would prefer a dictatorship so we can focus on what to watch on TV instead of taking an active role and, oh I don't know, picking up a book every now and then and learning something about beyond our borders? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali |
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May 10, 2004, 01:14 am
| #87 (permalink) (top) |
| Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759 | Ok, I understand what you're saying, but here's the way I see it... We may need to take serious action IF they: 1) Received a WMD shipment from Saddam and don't disclose this information, 2) Continue to pusue their own WMD's, & 3) Continue to support/interact with known terrorist oraganizations(ie. Hammas, Hezbollah, or possibly al-qaida)... Wouldn't you agree that all three of those situations are bad? "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill |
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May 10, 2004, 01:47 am
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| Guest Posts: n/a | Quote:
All this hogwash about WMD to Syria is stupid. Nothing on Bush's shopping list has been found in Iraq, repeat, nothing. That must have been a hell of a cleanout to remove ALL evidence and ALL the WMD prior to the invasion. I don't buy it for a moment, in my opinion, only a fool would. Follow the Bush Inc line of propoganda that started at WMD possesed by Iraq, then Iraq's WMD-Programs and then to WMD-Related-Programs-Activity. Doesn't that in itself tell you an awful lot? The ship sank and yet you people remain discussing the whereabouts of what appears to be (and backed up by investigators like Kay and Blix) a mythical supertanker laden down with cargo, real Bermuda Triangle stuff. Before you can even begin to discuss these allegations of the WMD being moved to Syria, you would need to establish the existence of them first. Can you in any credible manner establish that? Bush Inc couldn't, I seriously doubt you can. | |
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May 10, 2004, 02:40 am
| #89 (permalink) (top) |
| Retired Posts: 7,312 | Dieval, I think Peter Wolf answered your first question pretty well. As to the other two: why do we get to have all the WMD's we want and fund and arm the Israeli side of the war all we want, and Syria can't have WMD's and support the Palestinian side? They are under no treaty or sanction not to have them. Did you miss the part where I said that Syria is happy to give up their WMD,s and rid the entire ME of them, but WE refused because we want Israel to have them? They don't want them! On the al-quida part, do you not believe me or do you simply not understand? Al-Quida would not only overthrow the government over there, but all of the President's people (the Alawites), the jews, Christians, Kurds, etc. would be killed. Mass Genocide, are you getting it yet? Al-Quida is the biggest enemy Syria has. It's a bigger threat to them than Israel. Thinking they'd aid Al-Quida is stupider than believing they'd aid Isarel! You have a lot of nerve making accusations like this when as you already admitted, you know nothing about it! Bush said they are bad so that's all you need? Wake up, man! Learn some things and think for yourself! One more time: Al-Quida is a bigger threat to Syria than it is to the US. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali |
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May 10, 2004, 03:51 am
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| Retired Posts: 7,312 | Quote:
But you have nothing to offer in the way of a discussion. Sorry, but all you have so far is Bush labeling them as a rogue nation, putting them on the state-sponsored terrorist list because they aid the enemy of our ally, and rumors that WMD that may or may not exist may have gone to their hands and they may use them. That's a lot of may's and very little to go on when you're calling for action against a nation of people, don't you think? Why wouldn't you want to do a little digging before making such pronouncements? If you don't care about innocent lives far from you, what about American lives lost in useless and illegal wars? Do you want to be the guy who goes to the parents of the young men who are lost to Bush's political and economic goals in the middle east? Are you signing up to go invade the next one on his hit list, whoever it may be with no thought into whether it should be? I hope not.  "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali | |
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May 10, 2004, 05:23 am
| #91 (permalink) (top) |
| Guest Posts: n/a | I have been meaning to mention something about the trucks headed for Syria that those of you who are claiming they were full of WMD should perhaps ponder. That according to the recent allegations of Hussein's abuse of the Oil for Food Program, chances are if there were large trucks heading for Syria, they were carrying oil, not WMD. Though of course, using the very loose definitions of WMD that some who post to the forum use, then one could probably argue a truck full of oil is a WMD. Of course, if we are reduced to that level of argument, so too is a truckload of bullshit a WMD. And goodness knows, there's enough bullshit posted to the forum for it to be considered a WMD. |
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May 10, 2004, 07:48 am
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154 | Quote:
(should I flick the sarcasm flag, or did you pick that up?) You say you've never been to moveon.org, but you seem to echo their idea's pretty well....are you sure you've never been there?[/b][/quote] Why not try being specific and tell us what these sacred moveon.org speaking points are? You seem to have memorized them... | |
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May 10, 2004, 12:02 pm
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| Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759 | Quote:
Well, that would also explaing why they were heading to Syria...the only problem I have with this theory is that they have an oil pipeline that leads directly into Syria...why would they need the trucks? As for the whole trucks full of possible WMD's, I'll give you that, to my knowledge, we're not sure what were in those trucks, and we should do more investigation to find out what they were transporting... Quote:
I know you believe that al-qaida probably would want nothing to do with Syria, but I believe we should monitor both Syria and al-qaida incase they decide that they have something in common and work together... <!--QuoteBegin-Peterwolf, All this hogwash about WMD to Syria is stupid.[/quote] Calling something "stupid" and dismissing it without even attempting to veryify it really is stupid... "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill | ||
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May 10, 2004, 04:04 pm
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| Guest Posts: n/a | Quote:
And personally, I would define stupid as blathering about WMD that no one appears to be able to prove existed in the first place, let alone being shipped to a third party. You boys have the cart in fornt of the horse, and the horse dung in front of the horse as well. Can you prove that these WMD existed in the first place? If you can prove that then you can move along to the Syria theories. Until then, it's just truckloads of camel dung, which of course, no doubt, constitutes a WMD. | |
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May 10, 2004, 07:34 pm
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| Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759 | Quote:
My WebpageIraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs Why is it so hard to understand that Saddam did posses the weapons and did not account for them...Where are they now? "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill | |
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May 10, 2004, 10:58 pm
| #99 (permalink) (top) |
| Retired Posts: 7,312 | Why is it not hard to understand how faulty our intelligence was? Blix was asked if American intelligence ever helped him even one time locate anything and his answer was no, not one time. They led him to trucks that were broken down and unused for years and other such places that not only was there nothing to be found, but extremely obvious that nothing was there to begin with. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali |
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May 11, 2004, 12:31 am
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| Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759 | Quote:
"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill | |
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