Iraqi Government Fissures Widening:

[grandpa]

Government Fissures Widening: Government Fissures Widening BAGHDAD — Months of bloodshed have threatened to loosen the bonds holding together Iraq's fractious government, with tensions between political blocs spilling out in recent days in fiery rhetoric as well as fighting that left more than 130 people dead nationwide. Disagreements over several contentious issues burst into the open with a highly divisive vote on the issue of parceling Iraq into federal districts, finger-pointing over the assassination of a top politician's brother and a series of massacres between rival Shiite Muslims and Sunni Arabs north of the capital.

Is it just me or have all the predictions of what this war could lead to simply coming true? Here we see the new government cracking up for lack of any popular support (for better or for worse, that happens). And we also see civil war happening, not necessarily fullscale, but in its infancy. And we also see yet more people growing up to despise the United States.

I don't think any of this stuff is a coincidence or the fault of the "liberal media." It seems based mostly on our policies which simply encourage conflict in every possible way.

Grandpa h.

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Quote by: grandpa Is it just me or have all the predictions of what this war could lead to simply coming true? Here we see the new government cracking up for lack of any popular support (for better or for worse, that happens). And we also see civil war happening, not necessarily full scale, but in its infancy. And we also see yet more people growing up to despise the United States. I don't think any of this stuff is a coincidence or the fault of the "liberal media." It seems based mostly on our policies which simply encourage conflict in every possible way. Grandpa h.

I'm against the death penalty! So. Most Europeans are also.

I was an am still against the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Yet, for a week or so back then I watch as locals looted hospitals, palaces, museums, anything and everything while US soldiers watched. I would have no problem if looters were shoot dead in front of TV cameras. 5 dead looters would have stopped all looting. Solders know this so they would need to be ordered NOT to stop the looters. WHY?

In the middle of the unfinished war in Afghanistan, the invasion of Iraq takes place. Without enough soldiers!!! Why? Are Americans totally stupid, suddenly? Why is a non expert suddenly the expert on the numbers needed to win?

White Christan solders remaining in Iraq for more than a month or two would draw fire. 911 is partly down to USA troops in Arabia for Gulf1. (The main reason is Israel.) In and out fast to be replace by well paid Muslim troops was the solution. Again, are Americans totally stupid, suddenly? I don't think so.

So, what's the explanation? I'm partly guessing but mostly learning that the present outcome was planned!!! What recent incident enticed me to put this madness on paper?

Israelis 'trains Kurdish forces' By Magdi Abdelhadi Arab affairs analyst, BBC News The BBC has obtained evidence that Israelis have been giving military training to Kurds in northern Iraq. A report on the BBC TV programme Newsnight showed Israeli experts in northern Iraq, drilling Kurdish militias in shooting techniques. Kurdish officials have refused to comment on the report and Israel has denied it knows of any involvement. The revelation is set to cause enormous problems for the Kurds, not only in Iraq but also in the wider region. Israeli security experts who spoke to the BBC said they could not have worked inside Kurdistan without the knowledge of the Kurdish authorities. The news will most probably increase tension between the Kurds and Iraq's Arab population, both Sunnis and Shias, reinforcing fears that the Kurds are pursuing a secessionist agenda. Ever since the US-led invasion of Iraq began over three years ago, Arab journalists have been speaking of Israelis operating inside the autonomous region of Kurdistan. They said this was evidence that toppling Saddam Hussein was only the first chapter in a wider American-Israeli conspiracy to eliminate threats to their strategic interests and re-draw the map of the Middle East.

Well, also a sensible man is hopefully reading this and not some of those annoying children who rant without thought.

Does this make any sense? Have I lost the plot?:confused:

[grandpa]

WP: Iraq militias splintering - washingtonpost.com Highlights - MSNBC.com

In the void forged by the sectarian tensions gripping Baghdad, militias are further splintering into smaller, more radicalized cells, signifying a new and potentially more volatile phase in the struggle for the Iraqi capital.

This seems related. It seems things are "splintering" in Iraq in general, again, as predicted. There is so much US government imposed chaos that even the most radical Iraqi groups are becoming more unstable.

Grandpa h.

[The Architect]

America went over there and "raped" Iraq and i think we are partly responsible for creating the new breed of terrorists, which we are going to have to elimante sooner or later. I think the US needs to focus more on helping the Iraqi government take over our jobs so we can bring our men home.

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Quote by: The Architect America went over there and "raped" Iraq and i think we are partly responsible for creating the new breed of terrorists, which we are going to have to eliminate sooner or later. I think the US needs to focus more on helping the Iraqi government take over our jobs so we can bring our men home.

Cynic? Don't think so. I fail to understand the American logic as to the duty/responsibility to stay in Iraq because you got it so wrong to date. Why on earth should you think that you might get it right any time into the future. I've stated before that whatever instinct the US has to do something in Iraq, then do the opposite! The results cannot be worse than at present. It either has the worst luck possible or is led by total incompetents, unless?

Logic for me would be that the US is the problem in Iraq, not the solution. White Christians in a Muslim country cause terrorism not prevent it. Hands up what nuts previously thought that it would be different. God, but you were naive. There may be more cynics now but boy were you gullible.

Don't get me wrong. I want you to stay! Why? Simple, while you are stuck in Iraq, you are less likely to invade another country.

• I know that the splintering of Iraq has been Israeli policy for decades.
• And I know that American policy is greatly lead by Israel.
• And that the US invasion had built in failure odds leading to the Iraqi dissolution.
• Yet, I find it difficult to believe American leaders would deliberately sacrifice its young men's lives to pursue an Israeli agenda.
• But the I remember USS Liberty and the 34 dead sailor sacrificed to Israel's ambitions.
• So is Iraq going to plan or not.

[underbear1]

Bush went and F*CKED up a war in a country we CAN'T lose in.
I suggest you bend over and grab your ankles and brace yourselves, the cheerleader has led this Nation to being screwed FOR DECADES. Possibly Baker and his Democrat colleagues can find a way out of this Catastro-f*ck, but it won't be leaving any damn Democracy in Iraq, that I guarantee you, and now they want Iran in on the negotiations, the Axis of Evil are the ONLY coaliition of the willing we have left......OMG!

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Quote by: underbear1 Bush went and F*CKED up a war in a country we CAN'T lose in. I suggest you bend over and grab your ankles and brace yourselves, the cheerleader has led this Nation to being screwed FOR DECADES. Possibly Baker and his Democrat colleagues can find a way out of this Catastro-f*ck, but it won't be leaving any damn Democracy in Iraq, that I guarantee you, and now they want Iran in on the negotiations, the Axis of Evil are the ONLY coalition of the willing we have left......OMG!

Forgive me, but could I have a translation. A lot I get but some...:confused:

I'm sure it's similar with my Irish use of english. Even the English have difficulty with us but remain amused (by our charm :) ).

Democracy in Iraq was an after thought - when all other thought was gone. American democracy would not be my cup of tea. Too much navel gazing to check on the FF and what they intended 300 years ago.

Thank you.

[underbear1]

I'm not sure what isn't clear to you. I stated Americans should assume the position to be screwed for decades. George W Bush was a Yale cheerleader.
Baker is one of a group of elder statesmen doing a study of solving Iraq, our Congress commissioned this study which is supposed to release it's results after the Nov 7th election. It has been leaked from that study, a victory in Iraq with a democracy, and staying the present course AREN'T going to happen.
The same leak mentioned involving Iraq's neighbors to help solve the catastrophy in Iraq, including Iran and Syria.
Hope that explains it better for you.