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May 4, 2004, 09:54 pm
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| Navy Veteran  Location: Texas Posts: 6,031 | I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay. John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night. The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action. Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks. That seemed to fit the injury which I treated. What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle. I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound. The wound was covered with a bandaid. Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat. http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200...00405041626.asp Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? |
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May 4, 2004, 10:08 pm
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| Igneous Magma Location: PA Posts: 328 | With the Swift Boats Vets Against Kerry meeting today in DC to start a campaign about Kerry not being fit to be the Commander-in-Chief, it's only a matter of time until this gets exposure on some liberal sites. As of now, these are only being reported on conservative sites.  |
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May 4, 2004, 10:53 pm
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| Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031 | Your guy?? Hahaha, did you read the docs report? Bush felw fighters with the guard, Kerry lied about comming under enemy fire and illegally got a purple heart and thus his next two are alos under suspicion. Kerry is hosed. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? |
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May 5, 2004, 12:10 am
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| Guest Posts: n/a | Mr.Vicchio Sigh, if Kerry is hosed, Bush should never have been president. You are aware of course he lied about his flying of jet fighters in a book about himself, right? Of course, it would also be nice if Bush could prove he actually fulfilled his service as well. And of course, he specified he didn't want to serve overseas. I guess like all chickenhawks, Bush is good at playing dress up. Of course, Kerry has other medals but you'll forget about that, and of course, you have the military reports for this purple heart, right? There's lots of stories but I've no doubt you'll stick with the ones that you like. Oh, and can you prove that Kerry lied about coming under fire? Produce the details of what his crew actually said. Feel free. Remember, if you can't prove Kerry is lying, then you are the liar. BTW, what is the actual requirement for a pupple heart? Note, from the article: "Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks." Notice how some becomes one? |
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May 5, 2004, 12:33 am
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 Right of Center  Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759 | Quote:
He's hosed  "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill | |
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May 5, 2004, 01:06 am
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| Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759 | Quote:
I was making fun of Kerry, incase you couldn't figure that out.... Here's what basically what happened... Did Kerry discard his medals? <!--QuoteBegin-Article Page 2 of 3 Discarded Decorations Videotape Contradicts John Kerry’s Own Statements Over Vietnam Medals Continued Flip Flop? The disputed incident happened 33 years ago this past weekend, on April 23, 1971, when Kerry led the group Vietnam Veterans Against the War in a protest against the war they fought. Many veterans were seen throwing their medals and ribbons over the fence in front of the U.S. Capitol. The Boston Globe and other newspapers reported that Kerry was among these veterans. "In a real sense, this administration forced us to return our medals because beyond the perversion of the war, these leaders themselves denied us the integrity those symbols supposedly gave our lives," Kerry said the following day. But in 1984, when he first ran for the U.S. Senate, Kerry revealed he still had his medals. According to a Boston Globe report on April 15, 1984, union officials had expressed uneasiness with Kerry's candidacy because he had thrown his medals away. Kerry acknowledged the medals he threw away were, in fact, another soldier's medals. He reportedly invited a union official home to personally inspect his Silver Star, Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts, awarded for his combat duty as a Navy lieutenant. In the 1971 Viewpoints interview, he made no mention of the ribbons or the medals belonging to another veteran. And in 1988, Kerry again clarified his statement by saying he threw out ribbons he had been awarded for three combat wounds, but not his medals. "I was proud of my personal service and remain so," he told the National Journal. Eight years later in 1996, Kerry said while he did throw out his ribbons, he didn't throw out his own medals because he "didn't have time to go home [to New York] and get them," he told The Boston Globe. [/quote] Flip and Flop "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill | |
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May 5, 2004, 01:18 am
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| Molten Ash  Posts: 27 | Amazing how the neocons support the troops unless it is politically expedient to attack them as they did McCain and Cleland. They WERE Kerry's medals and ribbons to do with as he saw fit. I don't care if he flushed them down the toilet. I don't care if he got the purple heart for stumping his toe in nam, at least he was in nam which is more than we can say for your make-believe guy bush. bush was a pretend soldier just like he is a pretend cowboy.  <span style='color:blue'>Words that do not match deeds are unimportant. - Ernesto Che Guevara Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. -unknown </span> |
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May 5, 2004, 01:23 am
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| Guest Posts: n/a | Interesting isn't it. I loved the opening of the ABC article: Quote:
Still, Kerry certainly isn't my favorite, but I doubt he is any worse than Bush. I find it quite amusing the way the right manages to frame issues that its constituents actually buy. For example, both Clinton and now Kerry have been accused of telling lies about what amounts to personal matters. Bush lies about threats to the US and starts a war, and people think him a strong leader. They all lied, but only one of them killed more than 700 US troops, about 10,000 innocent civilians and untold troops of the opposing forces. And, it doesn't matter. There's a vast liberal conspiracy alright, it's about being liberal with the truth, not as a description of political beliefs. Oh well, at least you didn't try quoting Nixon's shill, O'Neill. | |
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May 5, 2004, 01:42 am
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| Molten Ash Posts: 27 | Kerry isn't my favorite either but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. bush I have no doubts about any longer. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and I have come to the conclusion that he is a sick man. <span style='color:blue'>Words that do not match deeds are unimportant. - Ernesto Che Guevara Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. -unknown </span> |
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May 5, 2004, 01:59 am
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| Hot Lava Posts: 1,859 | kerry needs to be stripped of the medals he tossed if it is proven that he didn't earn them... but oral medals isn't medals and it all depends on what is is... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results... |
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May 5, 2004, 02:07 am
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| BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203 | Is it just me, or DOES IT NOT MATTER? If both these men were giving blowjobs to horses during Vietnam it wouldn't change my mind about their politics (though, I would find that amusing, especially the coincidence that they BOTH were doing the same weird thing). |
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May 5, 2004, 02:56 am
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May 5, 2004, 03:08 am
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| Retired  Posts: 7,312 | Quote:
That's the unfortunate position I'm in. I wasn't a dem until being under the rule of Bush. He drove me to it. <!--QuoteBegin-Suburbanite, Is it just me, or DOES IT NOT MATTER? If both these men were giving blowjobs to horses during Vietnam it wouldn't change my mind about their politics (though, I would find that amusing, especially the coincidence that they BOTH were doing the same weird thing).[/quote] LMAO!!!! I'm with you on that one. Who gives a poop? What have they done for us lately and what will they do for us in the future? That's important. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali | |
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May 5, 2004, 03:44 am
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| Playful  Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805 | As a non-american I really, really don't understand the significance of being involved in some military conflict or 2. Exactly how does that make a good president? Instead of focussing on the puppets, why does it seem so difficult to differenciate on their programs.. on the things which actually affect your lifes instead of wheter or not the president will have a scar or not. |
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May 5, 2004, 03:51 am
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| BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203 | It doesn't. To be honest with you, most Americans could honestly care less! Everyone likes to nit pick their enemies though. As a result they dig up useless crap. The Military? It doesn't impress too many people when it comes down to it, they might say it does, but they really could care less. |
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May 5, 2004, 04:12 am
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| Retired Posts: 7,312 | Just looking out for Paavo...  did you mean yeah? yea is like celebration, right? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali |
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