What does it mean to be a Democrat?

[bob60292]

Quote by: Captain Chaos This would result in too many children being uneducated, or very poorly educated. Besides - locally flexible charter schools would be able to avoid the same problems you are concerned about.

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As if they weren't now!!!!!!! Many graduate public high schools and couldn't make change on a cash register if it weren't automatically done. I've seen college students who couldn't tell you which part of a map represented water and which represented land. A parent who homeschools can accomplish more in 2 hours that what could be accomplished in a classroon in 6. Discipline, role takes, useless government paperwork, programs that look good on paper , but give reality the shaft are the norm.
On the other hand, if you want your kid to lose respect for the concept of sovereign states, and be propagandized for a military dictatorship, through the unelected officials of the "glorious United Nations" on some fine near future occasion, public school would be fine for you; but I shouldn't have to pay for it with the tax $ I work my ass off to earn.
God gave kids to parents, not to school boards; and I'll have to agree with His wisdom on this one.

[Captain Chaos]

Bob...

What should be done with situations where parents are not able to afford to send their kids to school, and not home schooling them - or just suck at home schooling them?

[bob60292]

Quote by: Georgia Yes, we have three kids all under 14. All of them are required to bring their own school supplies. In the mean time some districts are spending more than $12,000 per student on average, according to last years figures. I'm sure this year is higher. Over twelve thousand dollars per student. The democrat is promising increased school funding. I'd like to see some accountability.

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And I'd like to see you have a say in what your children are learning. We have been cursed wit a subversive curriculim some of which people like Gorbachev have contributed through his UN type activities. World Core Curriculum---Goals 20000 Our kids are not being taught how to think; they are being taught what to think. They are trying to get our kids younger and younger in a manner reminesent of Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Lenin Mao, Fidel castro ....
Group work, learning centers, teams, "coopertive learning", no child left behind, Agressors, bystanders and Victims, Dare. ( which encourage kids to tattle on their parents). Individuality and self reliance have become dirty words in our schools. Its the social(ist) village. Its THE DUMMING DOWN OF AMERICA- We have seen the enemy, but we still can't believe it
It's time to educate our kids as we see fit. I have been trying to make a difference for years; but it's like Don Quijote running up against the windmill

[bob60292]

Quote by: Captain Chaos Bob... What should be done with situations where parents are not able to afford to send their kids to school, and not home schooling them - or just suck at home schooling them?

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If we weren't all paying about 47% of our national income in some form of tax or another we would be able to send our kids to real schools or homeschool, or share homeschooling responsibilities with other concerned parents.

[bob60292]

Quote by: Captain Chaos Rob... All children should receive an excellent education. I believe this, because I believe it will greatly improve our society. I am in favor of whatever works. If your system would get the job done, and it can be proven, then that is fine. Public schooling was created in response to bad education of the lower classes. I am totally cool with going all private, IF it can be shown to produce the desired result. Such viability would need to be demonstrated before we make such a move.

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The fact is that many are already homeschooled and they have proven to score higher, as do private schools. Also look at the way education in the US has deteriorated in almost direct proportion to the increase of federal government involvement. ( despit the fact that the constitution does not permit the Federal Gov. to do it . it is a state function)-but who would know that!!!!! Maybe you, but too many don't. It's no coincidence. It's a social agenda, and the bad guys are winning.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: bob60292 ___________________________________________________________ The fact is that many are already homeschooled and they have proven to score higher, as do private schools. Also look at the way education in the US has deteriorated in almost direct proportion to the increase of federal government involvement. ( despit the fact that the constitution does not permit the Federal Gov. to do it . it is a state function)-but who would know that!!!!! Maybe you, but too many don't. It's no coincidence. It's a social agenda, and the bad guys are winning.

So...

Are you stating that if we had no public funding of education (at state, local, or federal level), then all kids would still get an acceptible level of education?

[bob60292]

Quote by: Captain Chaos So... Are you stating that if we had no public funding of education (at state, local, or federal level), then all kids would still get an acceptible level of education?

NO. IM SAYING THEY'D GET ABETTER ONE

[Captain Chaos]

OK...

So, Bob. Can you point to any example, anywhere and anywhen, when it has been the case that there has been no form of public-funded education and yet the children all (or nearly all) got educated?

[bob60292]

[quote=Captain Chaos;299306]OK...

So, Bob. Can you point to any example, anywhere and anywhen, when it has been the case that there has been no form of public-funded education and yet the children all (or nearly all) got educated?[/




Yes. Compare the scores on college entrance exams and standardized tests of public school students, private school students and home schooled students. You'll find the literacy rate to be higher in the 2 latter alternatives.]

[bishop]

what does that generalized nonsense matter?

i graduated from a public high school and went on to graduate college suma cum laude... going to a public school didn't hurt me at all...

[RVonse]

Quote by: Autolykos I have no problem with people giving money to schools when they themselves do not have children in them, but only as long as they do it of their own free will.

I used to agree with you until I started renting out investment properties. When I first started landlording property, I viewed property taxes as a business expense and nothing more. But after many years of rental ownership I see that homes I paid high property taxes on (they were located in different school districts) were also the very same homes that became worth much more than the others. It turns out (at least in the St. Louis area) a house with high property taxes is always located in the very best school district. And the real kicker for me was that the very best school districts also ended up attracting the very best kind of people to them. It was those first rate people moving into those neighborhoods that made the big difference and they made those houses much more valuable to me. Had I to do it over again I would have bought all my properties in the higher taxed better school districts to begin with.

High property taxes for school districts have not been bad for me here.

[bob60292]

Quote by: bishop what does that generalized nonsense matter? i graduated from a public high school and went on to graduate college suma cum laude... going to a public school didn't hurt me at all...

CONGRADULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!

[bob60292]

Quote by: RVonse I used to agree with you until I started renting out investment properties. When I first started landlording property, I viewed property taxes as a business expense and nothing more. But after many years of rental ownership I see that homes I paid high property taxes on (they were located in different school districts) were also the very same homes that became worth much more than the others. It turns out (at least in the St. Louis area) a house with high property taxes is always located in the very best school district. And the real kicker for me was that the very best school districts also ended up attracting the very best kind of people to them. It was those first rate people moving into those neighborhoods that made the big difference and they made those houses much more valuable to me. Had I to do it over again I would have bought all my properties in the higher taxed better school districts to begin with. High property taxes for school districts have not been bad for me here.

You are absolutely correct from a business perspective; but the question that we considering deals with involuntary taxation and government "education" rather than business expedience. Taxation for public propaganda mill schools is like busing. It is government overstepping its boundries and using our children for political agendas and social experimentation.

[Captain Chaos]

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Quote by: Captain Chaos OK... So, Bob. Can you point to any example, anywhere and anywhen, when it has been the case that there has been no form of public-funded education and yet the children all (or nearly all) got educated?[/ Yes. Compare the scores on college entrance exams and standardized tests of public school students, private school students and home schooled students. You'll find the literacy rate to be higher in the 2 latter alternatives.]

That does not answer my question.

You are claiming that if we do away with public funded education (which is not the same as public schools) - that all children will receive a better education, because they will all attend private schools - right? That is my understanding of your message, please correct me if I am wrong.

I am saying that I believe that many children from lower class families will wind up receiving little to no education, because their parents will fail to homeschool them, and will not be able to afford private schooling.

Public education was originally created to address this problem, and I believe its history has established that public education is superior to no education.


What I am asking of you is to show me some sort of example where it can be shown that all children in a region can recieve an education without public funding. This is not the same as comparing the quality of private and public schools.

[bob60292]

[quote=Captain Chaos;299533]

Quote by: bob60292 That does not answer my question. You are claiming that if we do away with public funded education (which is not the same as public schools) - that all children will receive a better education, because they will all attend private schools - right? That is my understanding of your message, please correct me if I am wrong. I am saying that I believe that many children from lower class families will wind up receiving little to no education, because their parents will fail to homeschool them, and will not be able to afford private schooling. Public education was originally created to address this problem, and I believe its history has established that public education is superior to no education. What I am asking of you is to show me some sort of example where it can be shown that all children in a region can recieve an education without public funding. This is not the same as comparing the quality of private and public schools.

God gave children to parents, not to school boards. You can't assume that because a family is financially underprivledged they are stupid or incapable of educating their children as they see fit. What a child learns is the responsibility of parents, not politicians. I will never agree with any Marxist or semi-marxist plan that takes the fruit of a person's labor to redistribute it to someone else. If you would like to donate to the education other people's children, then God bless you. I would do it to; but it would be voluntary because neither you, I nor thieving government officials should be given the liberty to confiscate what rightfully belongs to another any more than they should have the right to bus them to wherevere thay damn please.
Public education is a social agenda with the will and capacity to undermine the sovereign rights of individuals in more than one sinister way.It doesn't teach our children how to think; it teaches them what to think.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: bob God gave children to parents, not to school boards. You can't assume that because a family is financially underprivledged they are stupid or incapable of educating their children as they see fit.

I do not assume that is true for all such families. I believe that will be true for a portion of them.

Public education is a social agenda with the will and capacity to undermine the sovereign rights of individuals in more than one sinister way.It doesn't teach our children how to think; it teaches them what to think.

Get angry much?

Our efforts at indoctrination have obviously failed with you. We need to try harder, I guess. We have new chips, the MC3000 series, that we can implant in our kids' brains to further enhance their socialist cooperation. Have you considered receiving our beta test of this chip? It might help you conform better.

Seriously - what do you propose to do about situations where poor parents fail to educate their kids? And don't pretend like it will never happen.

[bob60292]

Quote by: Captain Chaos I do not assume that is true for all such families. I believe that will be true for a portion of them. Get angry much? Our efforts at indoctrination have obviously failed with you. We need to try harder, I guess. We have new chips, the MC3000 series, that we can implant in our kids' brains to further enhance their socialist cooperation. Have you considered receiving our beta test of this chip? It might help you conform better. Seriously - what do you propose to do about situations where poor parents fail to educate their kids? And don't pretend like it will never happen.

Honestly Captain that was funny Thanks I needed a good laugh.
God bless
Bob

[kathy_072121]

Democrats support poor lower and middle class societies

[gr8fuldaniel]

What does it mean to be a Democrat?

With the new House leadership (and probable Senate):
It means we will finally have some control over the tyrant king.
It means a brighter future for all.
No more wars for sport and profit. Better wages.
Poverty will be diminished.
Health care will not be an impossibility any more.
LESS CRONYISM, which means there will be competitive bidding.
You wont have to suckle at the presidents wee wee in order to be heard.
It means accountability and subpoena powers AT LAST!!
No more hiding from the law behind the old boys frat party.
An end to the "family values" of racism and murder and theft and torture

[bob60292]

Quote by: kathy_072121 Democrats support poor lower and middle class societies

Have you also read Alice In Wondrland?