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| Laissez-Faire Location: Seattle Posts: 539 | "As Exemptions Grow, Religion Outweighs Regulation" Quote:
With respect to “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" I think these types of exemptions are, by and large, constitutional, if you take "establishment of religion" to mean a specific sect. So government can't say "Sikhs are bad, Protestants good." But government can in effect say "religion good, non-religion bad." (Or can't it? I profess openly that I am not a U.S. constitutional scholar nor legal expert.) The types of exemptions discussed in the New York Times article are worrying because of the interference in a fairly competitively market that they distort. The cost of being a non-religious non-profit organization becomes higher than if you were a religious non-profit organization. Further, there are reasons for regulations. Now in singular cases, you and I might disagree when a regulation is warranted, but most people would agree that if a regulation is adopted that it should be done as non-discriminatorally and as generically as possible, as suits the particular concern of the regulation. The exemptions granted to organizations based purely on their ostensible religious metaphysics are patently unfair. The practical effect of these exemptions (taxes, regulations, etc.) is that we all subsidize religion, and in America the effect is that we subsidize an establishment of religion, that being Christianity, because by and large it is Christian churches that overwhelmingly predominate. Unless I am mistaken in my reading of First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which unfortunately does not bar the above type of legislatated loopholes and lollipops if read in its narrowest sense, it will take Congressional and State legislation to mend this, and America has by and large embraced a pro-religious mindset so I don't see mitigation coming anytime soon unless by route of activist judge. What are your thoughts on this? | |
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| Not Agnostic. Posts: 70 | We must face it: organized religion is a business. Amendments only come to bare significance when they have been interpreted by the Supreme Court. Take Everson vs. Board of Education for example. I agree, "America has by and large embraced a pro-religious mindset," and by no means should a Church, which we have already established to be a business, be exempt from federal regulation - especially when it comes down to the safety of children. |
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,012 | Quote:
The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant) | |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | The First Amendment begins: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." What are these laws, regulations and ordinances but a piecemeal establishment of religion? Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis |
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| Hot Lava Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 2,258 | Agreed. The problem comes in when religious organizations are doing things outside of their religion, but expecting to keep getting the same tax benefits for it as they do in the church. If you start a day care center, you should have the same regulations as any other day care center. If you start a thrift store, you should have to follow the same laws as any other thrift store. These things have nothing to do with the functioning of a church, they are businesses and need to be treated as such. If anything, this is a good reason to look at why we give breaks to religion in the first place if they're just going to abuse it. |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Religion is just another excuse for war and polarization of divide between fellow citizens. We all have a right to our own beliefs, stressing OUR OWN. Organized religion is like organized corruption, and often differ very little if at all. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| BANNED Posts: 2,630 | If you think folks who don't like these exempted Church daycare facilities aren't watching them and probably getting physical evidence to show how they will abuse not having inspections,,,,,,,,,,,,,(and they will), then you (mis)underestimate the secular constituents. Movies like Jesus Camp will make certain anywhere evangelicals are interacting secretly with children, it's gonna turn out not so secret. |
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