Liberty or Statism

[bob60292]

I think we are all being skillfully deceived when we think in terms of "democrats" or 'republicans". If we are trying to distinguish between the two we might just as well remain silent.
In spite of the clever facade of political campaigns and elections there is no difference between the so called two major "parties". These two "political partries" are the ideological equivalent of one person wearing two masks at the same time.They are both controlled by the same powerful, big money network of an elitist ruling class of international bankers, top globalist industrialists, and unscrupulous politicians who control our political system from behind their subversive smokescreens.
The primary issue that plagues us today in not so much their financial greed.. They already have ungodly amounts moneyand possessions.. The biggest concern of these monsters isthe acquisition power that will not be subjected to the U.S Bill OF Rights or any other constitutional restraints of sovereign nations. They are the platonic ruling class already positioned for a 21st century form of feudalism. They feel entitled to a glorious superiority that can direct the lives of the populace that are not"smart enough" to make decisions as common people or sovereign individuals.They are an oligarchy that connivingly entitle themselves to the horrenous concept of the supposedly divine right of kings as they anticipate the coming of their socialist, global reign. They are the ruling class. Their banking monoply controlls the economy; and as any thinking human being would agree, that which controls the economy of a nation controls the nation. Likewise, that which controls the economy of the world also controls the world.
They can buy, bribe , entrap, wine and dine , flatter, threaten and even kill politicians who do not accomodate their desires. They have a cushy sweetheart, reciprocal relationship that is constantly getting sweeter for them. They buy the Federal government's support with their monopolization of wealth and power while they control the government itself. They can orchestrate fear and terror to use as instruments of control. They offer us the illusion of safety in exchange forfeiting more and more of our guaranteed, constitutional rights, while the danger from their abuse grows astronomically. They enrichen themselves with the deadly profits of war and foreign interventions as the enslaved taxpayer pays the price of murderous wars, support of puppet governments, and the rebuilding of the foreign lands they conquer, destroy and rebuild. Approximately fourty seven percent of the entire national income goes to paying taxes in one form or another. They have found their greatest comfort in the IRS with its superb ability to terrorize American citizens with confiscation of property, destruction of lives, families,reputations, and imprisonment.They reap profit from the supposed threats of those foreign powers to whom they have given abundant reason to hate or resent us.They buy or control the media by placing their subversives in top executive positions. It appears to me that the old tactics of tyrants like Hitler, Stalin and Mao are still alive today and living far too close to our homes and families.
Our society has been cleverly psychologically lobodomized by the subtle lies, and deceitful tilts and slants of this behind the scenes oligarchy.. They control the elective process by using their tremendous resources to finance and place their candidates in both the "democratic" and "republican" parties. It's no wonder that we have seen both Bush senior and Bill Clintin on the road together. They are the pupits of the same bosses to whom they owe their great abundance of wealth and privilege. Neither is it any wonder that the whitehouse staff has been swampted with trilateralists and CFR members, not to mention Skull and Bones, Bilderbergers, and others with varying degrees of connection to the royal Anglo- American establishment blood lines. I would challenge anyone to research the all US presidents that have some genetic linkage to the Royal Family, and to discover how many don't.. Begin with Bush and Carter. You might also want to investigate the almost presidents Kerry and Gore.
The founding fathers warned us against the lurking dangers of a powerful central government. They advised us to protect our shores uncompromizingly, but not to leave ourselves vulnerable to the threat of any all powerful government whether foreign or here at home. Their concept of armed militia was not one in the defense from foerign threats. We had an ocean and a navy to protects. Their armed malitia was to protect citizens at home against government abuse they they feared a as result of the abuse by the British monarchy. Most importantly of all their militia consisted of all able bodied American men, so that totalitarianism and tyranny could never enslave the citizens of the beloved United States of America. Gun control and confiscation is the teflon coated sweetheart of tryanical governments, and the preliminary step in their horrendous, coercive schemes to dominate fully the lives, liberties, and properties a hopeless, defenseless people.
The fact is that the issue of choice today does not lie in either "democratic" or "republicans" The real choice is between the liberty to which the US founding fathers devoted their lives or totalitarian Statism as was evidenced in Waco, or the deceptively named Patriot Act. Other examlpes of outrageous abuse are ample, as is to be expected government is unleashed from the chains of constitutional principle and the God given sovereignty and self-ownership of the individual.

[kubedawg]

One answer: Anarcho.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: kubedawg One answer: Anarcho.

Nah, we just need our constitutional limitations to be honored.


Bob, welcome "outside the box".

[grandpa]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Nah, we just need our constitutional limitations to be honored. Bob, welcome "outside the box".

We have one heck of an example in the Whitehouse today of why the very structure of representative government is quite fraudulent.

Grandpa h.

[Osborn F Enready]

The government itself, as it exists, is entirely fraudulent.

It wasn't always that way, before victimless crimes, and law books in the volumes to fill halls and halls of libraries.

Representative government works when common-threads are recognized, and adhered to, as our Constitution was intended to do.

WE THE PEOPLE failed, to hold government accountable by the limits the constitution emplaces upon government.

Perhaps, we the people need to find our voice again?

Perhaps a "redress of grievance"? Nope, tried that, they won't address it.

Perhaps a "show of civil discourse" by protest and petititon? Nope, tried that, they just closed the curtains and roled up the windows as they drove past.

Perhaps the public could enact their rights of "jury nullification" of bad laws that harm the public? Nope, they aren't informing juries of that right any longer, and lawyers are trained to plea bargain cases instead of taking constitutional grounds due to "legal corruption" by bi-partisan schools.(Harvard, Yale and all their partisan cousins.)

Perhaps, we could enact our right to with-hold money from the government in protest of unjust use of tax dollars, using the argument of taxation without representation? Nope, special intrests and corporate lobbyists now own Congress and the Senate, so our "representative" power no longer truly exist except in widely known, publicly scrutinized cases....(usually) and if you individually resist payment, you just end up like a Randy Weaver, a David Koresh, or any other small group or individual who attempts to fight the system alone, because no fellow citizens have enough balls to stand ground next to them.

Hmmmmmm.....

Lets look down the Constitution and see what methods are left for righting a system of government that refuses to accept and enforce Constitutional rights of citizens?

Revolt.....

Yet, still today there are people who claim revolt is "extreme" in our case today?

I don't think so, in fact, I still stand by my educated prediction if the course of government stays the same. 2010 at best, if global war isn't started first.

Hope you have a raincoat, because we are starting to look like the Tidy-Bowl team.

[bob60292]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready The government itself, as it exists, is entirely fraudulent. It wasn't always that way, before victimless crimes, and law books in the volumes to fill halls and halls of libraries. Representative government works when common-threads are recognized, and adhered to, as our Constitution was intended to do. WE THE PEOPLE failed, to hold government accountable by the limits the constitution emplaces upon government. Perhaps, we the people need to find our voice again? Perhaps a "redress of grievance"? Nope, tried that, they won't address it. Perhaps a "show of civil discourse" by protest and petititon? Nope, tried that, they just closed the curtains and roled up the windows as they drove past. Perhaps the public could enact their rights of "jury nullification" of bad laws that harm the public? Nope, they aren't informing juries of that right any longer, and lawyers are trained to plea bargain cases instead of taking constitutional grounds due to "legal corruption" by bi-partisan schools.(Harvard, Yale and all their partisan cousins.) Perhaps, we could enact our right to with-hold money from the government in protest of unjust use of tax dollars, using the argument of taxation without representation? Nope, special intrests and corporate lobbyists now own Congress and the Senate, so our "representative" power no longer truly exist except in widely known, publicly scrutinized cases....(usually) and if you individually resist payment, you just end up like a Randy Weaver, a David Koresh, or any other small group or individual who attempts to fight the system alone, because no fellow citizens have enough balls to stand ground next to them. Hmmmmmm..... Lets look down the Constitution and see what methods are left for righting a system of government that refuses to accept and enforce Constitutional rights of citizens? Revolt..... Yet, still today there are people who claim revolt is "extreme" in our case today? I don't think so, in fact, I still stand by my educated prediction if the course of government stays the same. 2010 at best, if global war isn't started first. Hope you have a raincoat, because we are starting to look like the Tidy-Bowl team.

I think they would orchestrate a nuclear war to once again use the fear and terrorism card to distract our enslaved nation from the truth you so astutely speak about.
It is horrifying that everyone does not fully understaned that our constitutional republic has been undermined and occupied by internationalists, empire builders, and bought and sold American treasenous subversives. If anyone does not see the rape of the ideology of the American forefathers, consider the fact that approximately 47% percent of the entire national income is confiscated by taxes in one form or another. As a result of this confiscation of the fruits of hard earned money fifty percent of American citizens do not even have enough of income left over to purchase health insurance. Our money is going all over the world to support horrendous, non-American murderous causes and regimes, and to pay the interest to the Federal ( not really federal) Reserve (not a reserve) banks that own or control us, our dying republic, and the media. They hide in the facade of a nearly fictional constitutional republic where they conceal the body bags of American service men, and the knowledge of dead Iraqi children and their families who happen to be on the receiving end of their money making adventures.
I don't know what the solution is at this point; and if I find out I would have to be aware of the fact everything we say is being monitered by Big Brother here and almost everywhere else..
I do know, however, that if we don't want our children to live in eventual savage repression and slavery we had better wake up and at least begin the search for a survival strategy.

[grandpa]

Quote by: bob60292 I think they would orchestrate a nuclear war to once again use the fear and terrorism card to distract our enslaved nation from the truth you so astutely speak about. It is horrifying that everyone does not fully understaned that our constitutional republic has been undermined and occupied by internationalists, empire builders, and bought and sold American treasenous subversives.

Well, Americans are supposed to spit on the man on the street begging for change
while waving flags and staring doe-eyed at political crooks swindlings Americans out of trillions of dollars for their wars and corporate giveaways.

Grandpa h.