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Old May 2, 2004, 09:21 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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i am tired of waiting for the clowns in washington to finish iraq. the only thing that is keeping iraq from a civil war is their unifying hatred of their occupiers.

bush is fighting not only the iraqi insurgents, but the american people who are tired of his mismanagement. he tries to paint a picture of success in iraq when the house needs serious reconstruction, and he won't change the course because he'd have to admit to being wrong and then look bad, and he is one straw away from totally disillusioning his remaining supporters.

i'd like to know who bush plans to turn iraq over to on june 30. i'd like to know why this wasn't done on june 30, 2003. i'd like to know why my brothers went to iraq without body armor and without enough water and medical supplies and ammo, and comrades.

before the war, people who said iraq would cost 200B were fired for their insolence. then bush asked for more money. how much of a fuck-up is this guy? then people who said it'd take 300K soldiers were fired. and now we hear of reinforcing the troops in iraq. bush may call himself a war president, but he's still a terrible one.

this iraq concept should have taken six months. bush clearly doesn't grasp the situation if it's a year after 'mission accomplished' and we're still struggling to fulfill our primary tasks.
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Old May 2, 2004, 09:56 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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It's unpatriotic to talk against Bush and Iraq in the same sentence. The eyes are watching you....

Seriously, we should stay to finish what we started and make the lives we lost worth something, but we definitely need new management from top to bottom.


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Old May 3, 2004, 01:47 am   #3 (permalink) (top)
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I don't think it's that it should have taken 6 months, I think it's that how could anyone think it could be DONE in 6 months?

We went in with the idea that all Iraqi's would fall down in thanks and rush to help us occupy them and rebuild and that creating a democracy and reconstruction would just happen smooth as silk right away....

This is not directed at you, bob. How could our administration really believe that and "plan" for things to go down that way? I'm no great expert in war or political matters but even lil' ole' me could see it wasn't going to be that easy.

Very poor planning on our part as to what and how things would take place once the country was defeated.


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Old May 3, 2004, 06:19 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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iraq I took 2 months. of course, we left the bastard in control. that was mistake #1.

if bush had listened to his advisors instead of firing them, and sent enough soldiers and given them the proper equipment, iraq would have been in a much better position. if we had handed sovereignty over to an interim iraqi government we had been grooming from before the invasion, if elections were held for a new government as soon as baghdad had fallen and 'major conflicts' had ended, we might have a free sovereign iraq by now, and maybe could be thinking of bringing some of our soldiers home.

but instead bush said and did what was politically necessary in america to accomplish his goal of eliminating saddam. bush's goal was never to build a peaceful prosperous iraq. his actions prove it.
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Old May 3, 2004, 07:12 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Well, you see, if he had not hurried, the world may have found out the whole thing had no justification and this would have just killed him not to be able to invade.....you sympathize with his plight, right?

All of the things you mentioned would have simply taken too much time :-(


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Old May 3, 2004, 08:10 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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I think the left is laughing in hope that Iraq is a huge failure, just as they did in Vietnam.
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Old May 3, 2004, 10:18 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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I think we shouldn't have gone in to begin with, but now we need either to pull out or change what we're sending over - less infantry and more tanks for anything potentially deadly, and training for the troops over there to be confident enough to talk to locals and establish an unhateful relationship. I know the troubles with that... which is why I don't feel we should be over there.
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Old May 3, 2004, 10:35 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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of course i want us to succeed, iraqis and americans are suffering unjustly. it would be good for people to reocgnize who caused this blunder as we fix it.
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Old May 4, 2004, 03:31 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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Yes, just because a person is against the war or wants to criticise aspects of it doesn't mean they want it to fail...who would be that sick to wish that just to prove themselves right or hope to get votes from Bush over it?


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