Bob Woodward: Bush Misleads On Iraq

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Milton Bradley ...and thus, another bit of the Washington Two Step becomes visible to the naked eye,

It's only visible if the idiot sheep are WATCHING, Milton. Only if they are watching.

This is why I am so fervently against both the Republicans, and Democrats. They both use the same Bag-o-Tricks to to conceal their true agenda, and they play off of each other in some sort of perverted good cop, bad cop routine.

That's because it is actually one party. It's like "Crossfire" where the two "debaters" seem to genuinely hate each other and then they go out together for drinks afterward.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Scribbler1 It's only visible if the idiot sheep are WATCHING, Milton. Only if they are watching.

I know, but I'm doing what I can to call attention to all that I see. Unlike many of our well known local Conspiracy Theorists here on the board, I have been at it considerably longer. I'm actually winning people over to my side at this point. All it takes is one grind up against the machine before the problems seem "self evident" to them.

Quote by: Scribbler1 That's because it is actually one party. It's like "Crossfire" where the two "debaters" seem to genuinely hate each other and then they go out together for drinks afterward.

Hahaha, sometimes I wonder which philosophy preceeded the other. ( Did they bring partisan politics from the House floor to the nightly forum, or did Crossfire, and the like, set the stage for the completely over the top rhetoric we are seeing now. ) All I know is that rational thought got lost in there somewhere, and nobody even seems to be looking for it.

[RickSp]

What is amusing about the Bush administration - probably the only thing - is that many of them are such bad liars. Here is Condie denying key elements in "State of Denial" only to be caught in the lie.

Records Show Tenet Briefed Rice on Al Qaeda Threat

A review of White House records has determined that George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, did brief Condoleezza Rice and other top officials on July 10, 2001, about the looming threat from Al Qaeda, a State Department spokesman said Monday. The account by Sean McCormack came hours after Ms. Rice, the secretary of state, told reporters aboard her airplane that she did not recall the specific meeting on July 10, 2001, noting that she had met repeatedly with Mr. Tenet that summer about terrorist threats. Ms. Rice, the national security adviser at the time, said it was “incomprehensible” she ignored dire terrorist threats two months before the Sept. 11 attacks. When details of the meeting emerged last week in a new book by Bob Woodward of The Washington Post, Bush administration officials questioned Mr. Woodward’s reporting. Now, after several days, both current and former Bush administration officials have confirmed parts of Mr. Woodward’s account. Officials now agree that on July 10, 2001, Mr. Tenet and his counterterrorism deputy, J. Cofer Black, were so alarmed about an impending Al Qaeda attack that they demanded an emergency meeting at the White House with Ms. Rice and her National Security Council staff.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Milton Bradley I know, but I'm doing what I can to call attention to all that I see. Unlike many of our well known local Conspiracy Theorists here on the board, I have been at it considerably longer. I'm actually winning people over to my side at this point. All it takes is one grind up against the machine before the problems seem "self evident" to them.

Same here. FWIW, I've convinced quite a few people online to become Libertarians. Like I said, FWIW. But in any case I see it more as convincing people to COMPLETELY abandon the two faced party.

Hahaha, sometimes I wonder which philosophy preceeded the other. ( Did they bring partisan politics from the House floor to the nightly forum, or did Crossfire, and the like, set the stage for the completely over the top rhetoric we are seeing now. ) All I know is that rational thought got lost in there somewhere, and nobody even seems to be looking for it.

"Crossfire", the grandpappy of political talk shows, is the same as the radio yakkers, with the only difference being they argue TWO sides. All of the shows play on emotion and rational thought has little to do with their success.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Scribbler1 "Crossfire", the grandpappy of political talk shows, is the same as the radio yakkers, with the only difference being they argue TWO sides. All of the shows play on emotion and rational thought has little to do with their success.

For the record, I don't see Crossfire, or the other pundit hangouts as appealing to the rational either. If it were truly rational, there would always be more than two choices, but I'm preaching to the choir here, I know.


I'm going to take the Senators advice, and contest the licensing of the broadcasters in this area as they come up for renewal.

[Milton Bradley]

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[bishop]

Quote by: Milton Bradley For the record, I don't see Crossfire, or the other pundit hangouts as appealing to the rational either. If it were truly rational, there would always be more than two choices, but I'm preaching to the choir here, I know. I'm going to take the Senators advice, and contest the licensing of the broadcasters in this area as they come up for renewal.

the episode when john stewart appeared said it all... the audience doesn't really buy into the partisan nonsense that the show's hosts spew out. the audience clearly believed that both sides (republican and democrat) suck.

but sometimes, you have to deal with the choices that are available.. here in MA, i have to choose from some corrupt, anti-white democrat, a republican, a green-party socialist and another republican who decided to run as an independent...

Massachusetts gubernatorial election, 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

given the choices, i'm going to vote for the republican whose views and voting record are the most agreeable to my own. and, she seems to remind me of christie whitman, former NJ governor, who i very much supported.

[Fonceai]

Quote by: bishop given the choices, i'm going to vote for the republican whose views and voting record are the most agreeable to my own. and, she seems to remind me of christie whitman, former NJ governor, who i very much supported.

I think that right there is the most responsible thing to do, and it represents the point of our democratic republic.

You're never going to truly find someone who matches your view exactly.

What you have to do is vote for the person who most closely matches your preferences.

Some people think that because you disagree on an issue with your representative that this type of system is flawed. Unfortunately, this is exactly how it's supposed to work.

[bishop]

i just don't like the notion of supporting/opposing candidates solely on the basis of party affiliation... certainly, lots of members of the two major parties are corrupt piles, but not everyone. that old saying of don't throw the baby out with the bathwater is the perspective i take.

[RickSp]

Quote by: bishop given the choices, i'm going to vote for the republican whose views and voting record are the most agreeable to my own. and, she seems to remind me of christie whitman, former NJ governor, who i very much supported.

People are literally dying because Christie played the good soldier and lied about conditions at Ground Zero after 9/11. Any admiration I may have had for Christine Todd Whitman is long gone. Her actions and those of the White House were beyond negligent. They were criminal.

Judge Blasts EPA Ground Zero Appraisal

Calls Ex-Chief's Labeling Lower Manhattan Safe 'Conscience-Shocking' A judge attacked former Environmental Protection Agency chief Christine Todd Whitman for reassuring Manhattan residents soon after the 2001 terrorist attacks that the environment was safe to return to homes and offices while toxic dust was polluting the neighborhood. "No reasonable person would have thought that telling thousands of people that it was safe to return to lower Manhattan, while knowing that such return could pose long-term health risks and other dire consequences, was conduct sanctioned by our laws," U.S. District Judge Deborah A. Batts wrote, calling Whitman's actions "conscience-shocking."

EPA Misled Public on 9/11 Pollution

White House ordered false assurances on air quality, report says In the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center, the White House instructed the Environmental Protection Agency to give the public misleading information, telling New Yorkers it was safe to breathe when reliable information on air quality was not available. That finding is included in a report released Friday by the Office of the Inspector General of the EPA. It noted that some of the agency's news releases in the weeks after the attack were softened before being released to the public: Reassuring information was added, while cautionary information was deleted. "When the EPA made a September 18 announcement that the air was 'safe' to breathe, it did not have sufficient data and analyses to make such a blanket statement," the report says. "Furthermore, the White House Council on Environmental Quality influenced . . . the information that EPA communicated to the public through its early press releases when it convinced EPA to add reassuring statements and delete cautionary ones."

Autopsy Links Cop's Death To 9/11 Dust

70% of Ground Zero workers have major health problems

[bishop]

when i speak of what christie whitman did while she was governor of NJ, i specifically mean what she did while she was governor of NJ.

[Fonceai]

Heh, yeah, I noticed that.

Her increased scope of responsibility came with a dose of asshattedness.

[RickSp]

Quote by: bishop when i speak of what christie whitman did while she was governor of NJ, i specifically mean what she did while she was governor of NJ.

So you overlook the co-conspirator to criminally negligent homicide as head of EPA aspect?

Even Dubya didn't do too much damage when he was governor, at least by comparison to his later career.

[bishop]

her actions as head of the EPA have no relevance on her record as governor.

as governor, i believe she did a very good job - although there's always room for improvement.

[GHook93]

I TiVo'ed 60 minutes and finally got around to watch. This was shocking an eye opening. I thought thinks weren't going to well; however, I didn't think they were that bad. Although he is is promoting his book and trying to make a buck, he seemed highly creditable.

This just strenghtens my view that Bush is the worst President ever!