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RebelWithanAK · Oct 5, 2003, 12:50 am

Greatwyrm, do you really think that people have the choice of deciding whether or not they work? "Why yes, I'd love to starve to death, since the alternative is exploitation!"

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Oct 5, 2003, 02:03 am

Rebel
I take it you did not even follow my post? Try reading it while paying attention...since you just added to my point rather than refuting it.

Fallen Angel · Oct 5, 2003, 02:10 am

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Originally posted by RebelWithanAK@10-05-2003 12:50 AM
Greatwyrm, do you really think that people have the choice of deciding whether or not they work? "Why yes, I'd love to starve to death, since the alternative is exploitation!"

So if it was up to you, you would take these jobs away, because you would rather see them starve than get as you say exploited.
A mate in the Navy told me he employed a whole family of Thais for a week for $50 Aus between them to feed him give him a bed and show him around the city.
To him it was nothing, to them a fortune.

G. Adams · Oct 5, 2003, 09:14 am

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Originally posted by Fallen Angel@10-05-2003 02:10 AM
So if it was up to you, you would take these jobs away, because you would rather see them starve than get as you say exploited.
A mate in the Navy told me he employed a whole family of Thais for a week for $50 Aus between them to feed him give him a bed and show him around the city.
To him it was nothing, to them a fortune.

Yes, because its in Australian dollars, they're stable. When they get their wages, there in local currency, which is might be worth nothing a few weeks down the line.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Oct 6, 2003, 12:20 am

No intent to come off as a grammar nazi, but could you put "they are" instead of "there"?

Section 8 · Oct 9, 2003, 01:26 am

If you think living off a buck a day, and living in a hut with less than a meal a day is okay off you sir must be a masochist.

Section 8 · Oct 11, 2003, 03:00 am

I think that I might have made up my mind. I am a pacifist, but fighting for the equality for others is justified. So I would first try to educate as many possible, than attempt to destroy the economy. When the economy is in ruins, the next step is armed revolution.

Scribbler1 · Oct 29, 2003, 12:23 am

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Fallen Angel,)
Section 8 and G Adams, the majority of people in Western nations are pretty happy with the status quo, unlike deluded lefties such as yourself, we can see that what we have is quite fine, and offers alot more than these ridiculous Socialist fantasy lands you would like to impose on us..<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

I think you're missing the point, FA. "Deluded" lefties (and righties) see other ways of doing things, or how other societies work, but most of them live HERE and not in these other societies. Most Americans who believe this nation and its culture think the U.S. is next to perfect usually have never been anywhere more exotic than Disney World. Of course they think this is the best because that's all they know. As for me, I love England and have been there on more than one occasion. I love their civility, the (relatively) ordered lives, and the impression I got that they do some thinking before making political postures. I'd love to live there, but I don't. I've never been there long enough to worry about taxes, crime, politics, and the like and therefore don't have the knowledge to assume they are better then the U.S.. But I love the country anyway. On the other hand, who here has known anyone from other countries who absolutely adore ours?
In short, we are ALL deluded in some fashion, mainly from ignorance. Whether you get your opinions from books, TV and movies, or from casual visiting, I think it's just a case of different is better for some, and the "my country, right or wrong" types think everything is fine because they're USED to it. Whether it's some oppressive regime in the Mid-East, South America, or Africa, have you noticed a lot of those people actually smile a lot. Strange. I guess they're used to the way they live.

karencv · Oct 29, 2003, 07:40 am

Not having the time or the inclination to read all seven or so links, although I did read the first one...What the hell do you intend to replace "capitalism" with?? If there are no big companies to make computers or road graders...or no money with which to buy them..

I would suggest, even as a "wage slave" that capitalism is the most single successful system ever devised by human beings....if it were not for capitalism you would not have the ability to post this kind of nonsense and have people all over the world view it, shake their heads and move on to something constructive.

Section 8 · Oct 29, 2003, 09:49 am

What system?! Come on karen you know me? Anarhco-Communism. Workers would still make computers and etc. and those who needed them would get them. I suggest, since you are new, (welcome) to look around the site as me and G. Adams have hijacked enough topics.

G. Adams · Oct 29, 2003, 01:27 pm

Its hard work corrupting all topics but someones gotta do it :)

Yes, your right Karen, Capitalism is the best we've ever had. But but its not the best possible. As we moved from feudalism to capitalism, we will eventually move from capitalism to communism, or whatever stages between to make it to communism.

castille · Oct 31, 2003, 07:35 am

Every man thinks his own system is the best.....

Didn't Adolf Hitler believe Nazism was the best for everyone? He said all the time, Nazism is better than democracy and capitalism, Nazism is supreme, etc.

We've heard the same old crap over and over. Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. Every man thinks he has the solution to world problems.

So we'll see another Communist revolution....another bunch of young Red Guards with their grand visions, before being dragged back down to Earth by reality....and another 40 million deaths....

We should not be asking whether another revolution can make everyone happy. Instead, we should ask, "Is it worth another 40 milion deaths?"

Oct 5, 2003, 12:50 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Greatwyrm, do you really think that people have the choice of deciding whether or not they work? "Why yes, I'd love to starve to death, since the alternative is exploitation!" . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 29, 2003, 12:23 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,746	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Fallen Angel,) Section 8 and G Adams, the majority of people in Western nations are pretty happy with the status quo, unlike deluded lefties such as yourself, we can see that what we have is quite fine, and offers alot more than these ridiculous Socialist fantasy lands you would like to impose on us..<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I think you're missing the point, FA. "Deluded" lefties (and righties) see other ways of doing things, or how other societies work, but most of them live HERE and not in these other societies. Most Americans who believe this nation and its culture think the U.S. is next to perfect usually have never been anywhere more exotic than Disney World. Of course they think this is the best because that's all they know. As for me, I love England and have been there on more than one occasion. I love their civility, the (relatively) ordered lives, and the impression I got that they do some thinking before making political postures. I'd love to live there, but I don't. I've never been there long enough to worry about taxes, crime, politics, and the like and therefore don't have the knowledge to assume they are better then the U.S.. But I love the country anyway. On the other hand, who here has known anyone from other countries who absolutely adore ours? In short, we are ALL deluded in some fashion, mainly from ignorance. Whether you get your opinions from books, TV and movies, or from casual visiting, I think it's just a case of different is better for some, and the "my country, right or wrong" types think everything is fine because they're USED to it. Whether it's some oppressive regime in the Mid-East, South America, or Africa, have you noticed a lot of those people actually smile a lot. Strange. I guess they're used to the way they live. Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Oct 29, 2003, 01:27 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Its hard work corrupting all topics but someones gotta do it :) Yes, your right Karen, Capitalism is the best we've ever had. But but its not the best possible. As we moved from feudalism to capitalism, we will eventually move from capitalism to communism, or whatever stages between to make it to communism. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Oct 31, 2003, 07:35 am	#32 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Every man thinks his own system is the best..... Didn't Adolf Hitler believe Nazism was the best for everyone? He said all the time, Nazism is better than democracy and capitalism, Nazism is supreme, etc. We've heard the same old crap over and over. Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. Every man thinks he has the solution to world problems. So we'll see another Communist revolution....another bunch of young Red Guards with their grand visions, before being dragged back down to Earth by reality....and another 40 million deaths.... We should not be asking whether another revolution can make everyone happy. Instead, we should ask, "Is it worth another 40 milion deaths?" Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Oct 5, 2003, 02:03 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	Rebel I take it you did not even follow my post? Try reading it while paying attention...since you just added to my point rather than refuting it.

Oct 6, 2003, 12:20 am	#25 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	No intent to come off as a grammar nazi, but could you put "they are" instead of "there"?

Oct 9, 2003, 01:26 am	#26 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	If you think living off a buck a day, and living in a hut with less than a meal a day is okay off you sir must be a masochist.

Oct 11, 2003, 03:00 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	I think that I might have made up my mind. I am a pacifist, but fighting for the equality for others is justified. So I would first try to educate as many possible, than attempt to destroy the economy. When the economy is in ruins, the next step is armed revolution.

Oct 29, 2003, 07:40 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
karencv Sedimentary Rock Posts: 7	Not having the time or the inclination to read all seven or so links, although I did read the first one...What the hell do you intend to replace "capitalism" with?? If there are no big companies to make computers or road graders...or no money with which to buy them.. I would suggest, even as a "wage slave" that capitalism is the most single successful system ever devised by human beings....if it were not for capitalism you would not have the ability to post this kind of nonsense and have people all over the world view it, shake their heads and move on to something constructive.

Oct 29, 2003, 09:49 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	What system?! Come on karen you know me? Anarhco-Communism. Workers would still make computers and etc. and those who needed them would get them. I suggest, since you are new, (welcome) to look around the site as me and G. Adams have hijacked enough topics.