Will Bushs Church be Indicted?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Cephus It has nothing to do with honesty, it has to do with reality. Murder is, indeed, a legal term and has no meaning outside of that. Now if someone wants to call Bush a fool and a loser, that's fine and dandy by me, I'd agree. But when you start comparing Bush to Manson and calling him a murderer, that's different. Unfortunately, you get far too many people who are happy to play linguistic hopscotch rather than understand that words have meanings.

I didn't say "honest", I said" intellectually honest", because I assumed you knew the difference.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Cephus It has nothing to do with honesty, it has to do with reality. Murder is, indeed, a legal term and has no meaning outside of that. Now if someone wants to call Bush a fool and a loser, that's fine and dandy by me, I'd agree. But when you start comparing Bush to Manson and calling him a murderer, that's different. Unfortunately, you get far too many people who are happy to play linguistic hopscotch rather than understand that words have meanings.

I think you are playing hopscotch, with 12 year old scotch.

You mean to tell me; I can do anything, and if there is no trial, it didnt really happen?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Cephus It has nothing to do with honesty, it has to do with reality.

I almost put this in The Most Idiotic Statements thread, but thought I ought to give you a chance to explain.
How can you have one without the other?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Cephus It has nothing to do with honesty, it has to do with reality.

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel I almost put this in The Most Idiotic Statements thread, but thought I ought to give you a chance to explain. How can you have one without the other?

I would guess he is talking about the "reality" the mainstream media puts fourth every day. You know, the one where they still honor, and defend the constitution, and everything is OK in the world. That reality. John, and Jane SIixpacks reality. Rush Limbaughs reality. John Kerrys reality. The two partys lock on power reality. That one.

[Cephus]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel You mean to tell me; I can do anything, and if there is no trial, it didnt really happen?

Strictly legally speaking, yes. The term 'murder' is a legal term, it has a legal meaning. You're trying to take a legal term and apply it to a non-legal situation, simply because you're going for an emotional reaction.

Sheesh, go do some research already.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Cephus Strictly legally speaking, yes. The term 'murder' is a legal term, it has a legal meaning. You're trying to take a legal term and apply it to a non-legal situation, simply because you're going for an emotional reaction. Sheesh, go do some research already.

Are you saying Bush isn't sending people out to do his murdering for him?


I think you are missing the "much bigger fish" analogy, and perhaps you need to watch this video to see the relevance. YouTube - Pirates and Emperors - Schoolhouse Rock

[Cephus]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Are you saying Bush isn't sending people out to do his murdering for him?

Got legal evidence to support it? And besides, that might make him an accessory to murder, or guilty of contracting a murder, but if he isn't doing it himself, he can't actually BE a murderer.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Cephus Got legal evidence to support it? And besides, that might make him an accessory to murder, or guilty of contracting a murder, but if he isn't doing it himself, he can't actually BE a murderer.

Speaking of people who need to do some legal research...

McKinney's Penal Law s.125.27
Murder in the First Degree

A person is guilty of murder in the first degree when:

1. With intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the death of such person or of a third person; and
(a) Either
...
(vi) the defendant committed the killing or procured commission of the killing pursuant to an agreement with a person other than the intended victim to commit the same for the receipt, or in expectation of the receipt, of anything of pecuniary value from a party to the agreement or from a person other than the intended victim acting at the direction of a party to such agreement;
...
and
(b) The defendant was more than eighteen years old at the time of the commission of the crime.

"Guilty of contracting a murder" = Murderer.