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Leopard · May 1, 2004, 10:23 pm

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Originally posted by Occam,
As was pointed out earlier the drain on our economy to furnish all these people with the equipment would be far, far more than recovered in energy. And, the extra food required for them to must maintain themselves would more than use up any small amount they would receive for their efforts. Far better to subsidize them to go to school and learn a variety of skills (one or two isn't enough because of the liklihood that any specific job set will be outsourced). Then they could work and make a much better than minimum wage to get them above the poverty level.

They would also then become tax payers to contribute toward to the cost of the program.

Oh, wait a minute. That defeats the whole idea of keeping a large unskilled workforce to be hired by businesses to do the scut work at minimum pay.

Occam

who is doing the 'keeping' of this 'unskilled workforce'? are folks being forced to remain unskilled? is there some grand conspiracy at work here? Wht exactly prevents people from gaining skills?

hint: minimum wage laws, all labor regulations, et al

michael

PS: no matter what, there will ALWAYS be a percentage of the population who do not wish to pay the cost of gaining skills, leave them alone to live their lives as they see fit

Catch 22 · May 2, 2004, 11:20 am

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And if you notice he isn't in governemnt

is there ANYTHING that prevents him (or another like him) from being in government?

Notice the folks that AGREE with this idea - do you think that if it were ever proposed that it would be dismissed out-of-hand?

We currently PAY farmers to NOT grow food... and you think we are immune from enacting 'stupid'/harmful/morally corrupt legislation?

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Actually I think it would be dismissed out of hand because it's so damn strange. As long as you paint it as people being human hamsters the public will immediately hate this thing.

Leopard · May 2, 2004, 01:48 pm

How about if it is positioned as an 'American Fitness Program'?

Catch 22 · May 2, 2004, 04:02 pm

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Originally posted by Leopard,
How about if it is positioned as an 'American Fitness Program'?

lol perhaps, who knows nowadays. I mean if Bush is able to call increased logging "healthy forest's initiative" anything could be possible.

May 2, 2004, 04:53 pm

the concept is totally voluntary. do not assume that you would be 'forced' to participate.

i see how this could be abused by people who have jobs. that would need to be prevented in some way.

"how? by taking folk off the street? helping them get jobs would be way more productive."

you should read the proposals before you beat them. i had suggested that it be an unemployment center. you claim that none of the costs would be recouped? what about the dollars those unemployed people spend? giving them money isn't like burning it. it is useful to reduce poverty and to occupy the idle, is it not?

have it be a job training center too. i see no reason why one of these centers would be a bad thing in the heart of crappy NYC or LA.

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Leopard Propertarian Posts: 568	How about if it is positioned as an 'American Fitness Program'? Take on the responsibility to be free

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Bob_Dobbs Guest Posts: n/a	the concept is totally voluntary. do not assume that you would be 'forced' to participate. i see how this could be abused by people who have jobs. that would need to be prevented in some way. "how? by taking folk off the street? helping them get jobs would be way more productive." you should read the proposals before you beat them. i had suggested that it be an unemployment center. you claim that none of the costs would be recouped? what about the dollars those unemployed people spend? giving them money isn't like burning it. it is useful to reduce poverty and to occupy the idle, is it not? have it be a job training center too. i see no reason why one of these centers would be a bad thing in the heart of crappy NYC or LA.