Air Force Chief; Test Weapons on Testy U.S. Mobs

[Milton Bradley]

CNN.com - Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs - Sep 12, 2006

Quote by: from the link WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday. The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne. "If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press." The Air Force has paid for research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service is unlikely to spend more money on development until injury problems are reviewed by medical experts and resolved. Nonlethal weapons generally can weaken people if they are hit with the beam. Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also can be effective in disabling some electronic devices. On another subject, Wynne said he expects to choose a new contractor for the next generation aerial refueling tankers by next summer. He said a draft request for bids will be put out next month, and there are two qualified bidders: the Boeing Co. and a team of Northrop Grumman Corp. and European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., the majority owner of European jet maker Airbus SAS.

This is just disturbing, and, as many of conpriarcy types have predicted, coming to area near you.


Oh well, just know that some of us will be returning fire with LETHAL WEAPONS!


Fascist F*****G PIGS!

[bishop]

i heard this on NPR this morning... *seething in anger*

Quote by: article "If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne.

WHAT?!?

so now, if you protest, the goddamn air force is going to attack you. these vile shits should test the weapon on their own children instead.

oh home of the brave, land of the free.

[xyzer]

The SecAF statement doesn't make much sense to me? Our police are told to use force only as a last resort and most comply. We are already using non lethal weapons on lawbreakers or threats to those around them..e.g. pepper spray, tazers, stun grendes

Such non lethal devices are the antithesis of the weapons used in wartime when the object is to kill the enemy. Public relations don't enter much into the battlefield mentality?

[The Dunedan]

You know, one of these days, some member of the American Public is gonna get a mite peeved about all this...

[bishop]

the authorities have been treating civilians with increasing hostility over the years, save the vietnam protests where students were actually fired on with real bullets... now, with all these "non-lethal" weapons, they are clearly more willing to use them on civilians.

[lsbskins1]

Let me be perfectly clear - I do not want our armed forces turned lose on any disenting political protests. That being said, I do not disagree with the sentiment that we should be willing to accept the "good for the goose, good for the gander" reasoning. Why would it be ok to break up an angry mob in the steets of Bhagdad with these "weapons" if it is not ok to break up rioting mobs in the streets of Kennebunkport. It simply leaves the impression that we consider them to be of lesser value than we are as humans.

[Scribbler1]

What's wrong with using current military personnel?
The idea of "testing" to begin with means they don't know for sure what will happen.

Only because it seems like the only way to do anything about this that won't get me thrown in jail, I'm going to write letters to ALL of my useless skinbag politicians and see what kind of answers I get.

[lsbskins1]

I should also make it clear that I was not saying that I consider it to be acceptable to test these weapons on any non-volunteer subjects. I was just attemting to make the case that we can not consider it acceptable to use this crap on the "evil others" but be shocked that someone would consider using it on a good American. All things being equal, I would rather that non-lethal force be used when possible, but the things that need to be equal are multitudinous and endlessly complicated. Do not confuse the issues.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Scribbler1 I'm going to write letters to ALL of my useless skinbag politicians and see what kind of answers I get.

Remind them that "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" and that they are our employees.

Edit to add:

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne. "(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

Maybe we should inject DU into his veins before we bomb our neighbors with it. Drop a little napalm on his home while his family sleeps. All in the name of testing. I think that I would be even more "vilified in the world press"

[brien]

Quote by: Milton Bradley CNN.com - Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs - Sep 12, 2006 This is just disturbing, and, as many of conpriarcy types have predicted, coming to area near you. Oh well, just know that some of us will be returning fire with LETHAL WEAPONS! Fascist F*****G PIGS!

Seems like this is the government saying to us, since you people critisize us for using certain types of weapons abroad, how would you like it if we "test" them on you first? It is like a payback for being a patriot who has the audacity to question the use of some weapons abroad.

Forced acceptance through intimidation. F*ckers

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Abraham Lincoln "America will only be destroyed from within"

This is Public Enemy #1:

Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne

What happens to to people who have pins and plates and pacemakers in their bodies, when they get hit with microwaves? Or just a belt buckle. Or who are wearing glasses?

They have already shown us they dont care about the Constitution ("Its just a God Damn piece of paper" ----gw bush) and Posse Comitatus. Our government is composed of outlaws and monsters. Torture is good!

[Osborn F Enready]

Is an AK non-lethal? Nope.

That's what I will be using in return.

I hope you people are taking note, and finding or forming your local militias.

[grandpa]

I don't think they care what happens. Remember, the vast majority of people are expendable to the system.

Grandpa h.

[Osborn F Enready]

Which is why they should dispense with the corrupt system.

[xyzer]

Some of you guys are misinterpreting facts. The civilian Sec of the Airforce has nothing to do with putting down domestic disturbances. That role belongs to the National Guard and that use is governed by the governor of your state. None of your rights are threatened!!!
The Air Force is evidently experimenting with non lethal weapons. Probably good research for say disabling an aircraft hijacker without putting the plane or the rest of the passengers in jeopardy. But, as he was trying to indicate, not much use in war to disable the enemy. Better that they be used for civilian riot control. Which is a good idea..SINCE THEY ARE NON LETHAL
His statement is innocuous and taken out of contest. He is not as scribbler indicates trying to threaten lawful dissenters and demonstrators. Thats nonsense IMNSHO. But the idea is a good one when you see what crowd psychology can cause in injury, damage and even death to bystanders as well as particpants. Wouldn't it be easier to temporarily incapacitate the violators who get out of control? Rather than as has been pointed out shoot them as Natl Guard troops did when the students got out of control on the Kent State Campus so many years ago?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Remember the PDB?

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Exchange OBL with Michael Wynne:

"Michael Wynne Determined to Strike in US"

Quote by: xyz ....as Natl Guard troops did when the students got out of control on the Kent State Campus....

The students were right for protesting the Mai Lai Massacre. There would have been no problem if our government hadnt turned into a civilian murdering monster.

Dont EVEN blame unarmed students for their own murder. The Nat. Guard had no right to be there to begin with.
A clear violation of Posse Comitatus.

[jose]

why did they black out ¨foreign intelligence¨service?

[jose]

snip
America has now reached the point where its ruthless leaders so despise its people and its press that they feel it is safer politically to test dangerous new weapons on protestors and unruly crowds in the U. S. than in the streets of Baghdad or Ramallah. Like Joseph Stalin and Saddam Hussein, they have complete confidence that they can do whatever they like within the boundaries of the country they rule. Shelter from the Storm: Moving to Croatia - "Nuke" Americans First


Many of us have wished for the death of the myth of American exceptionalism, but few could have foreseen its end announced by an Air Force Secretary who urged his own government to "nuke" Americans first

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: jose why did they black out ¨foreign intelligence¨service?

To avoid accountability. Is there a chance it could have been some news service?
The rest of the PDB is available here

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: xyzer Some of you guys are misinterpreting facts. The civilian Sec of the Airforce has nothing to do with putting down domestic disturbances. That role belongs to the National Guard and that use is governed by the governor of your state. None of your rights are threatened!

Once the point of contention is bandied about as "rational thought" in Washington, you have pretty much lost the battle.