US ordered to pay WMD compensation

[ruiner]

might makes right
So Saddam was right?

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Jet, Christian morality is based on something that doesn't exist.

IYHO

[Jet]

No, according to 400 years of successful scientific inquiry according to naturalist assumptions; relatively recent changes have rendered god's existence impossible, not just failing Occam's Razor, from a scientific point of view. And then there're the 905207586.3 contradictions in Christianity.

[PatrickHenry]

Give it a rest, man. Are you saying Christianity doesn't exist? Jesus never existed? The Bible doesn't exist? Christian morality doesn't exist?
What is that something, the basis of Christian morality, that doesn't exist?

[Jet]

God doesn't exist. Christianity exists, but so does communism; Jesus almost certainly existed, but Marx and Lenin certainly did; etc.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Jet, God doesn't exist.

Your proofs? No don't bother, that's on another thread. Suffice it to say that your opinion remains unproved.
Christian morality has a basis. To say otherwise is a logical fallacy.

[Paavo]

Ok, so morality doesn't exist...physically (DUH). Denying that we have a capability to "know right from wrong" (even if there are infinite amount of versions) is just silly IMO. One can go on and on about semantics and whatnot, it just doesn't make anything different.

[Jet]

You're right; it has a basis, but it's simply false. It's like basing a morality on 2+2=5; it's a basis, just one that's false. The proof is as I've said a few times in results of scientific inquiry, which rendered god first unnecessary, then a drag, and finally a scientific impossibility.

[Impenitent]

Originally posted by PatrickHenry,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatrickHenry,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Impenitent, the morality of personal egoism is exactly as valid as christian morality...

This is known as psychopathy. You will soon be in prison.[/b][/quote]

no it is known as the philosophy of ethics and morals... axiology... read a book and learn something

[Osborn F Enready]

Wow Jet, since you know it all, may we consult your higness for all things in future questions your holiness????


WAKE UP!!

This is becoming more laughable by the minute.

I personally, do not believe in any "God" per se, but even I am not so secure as to say GOD does not exist, as I have no proof.

Try reality... and then contemplate proof.

[Impenitent]

Originally posted by Paavo, Imp, you sure say alot without actually saying anything. So you're now saying....I don't know what you're saying. That morality is nothing? I'm so confused. Do you even know what you think? Answer me, in a normal manner please -- would the above scenario be "ok" by you?

under christian morals, no
under kantian morals, no
under utilitarian morals, if the greater utility was served by your taking the crutches, yes
under the morals of personal egoism, yes
under the morals of epicurianism, yes

morality is a game

[Osborn F Enready]

Whoever thought might made right, come on over, I need some new carwash boys, and I have a lot of might.

LOL, can't wait for this reply....

Impenitent

You're a sad case really. Your logic, that essentialy might makes right, or in other words, if you can get away with it it's fine, makes 911 perfectly acceptable. Al Qaeda had the power and used it.

So odd but I'm sure many will disagree with your logic. And what's worse, is that you appear to be one of these people who thinks others should play by the same rules you won't.

Here's how this should go down. Iranian diplomat presents bill for $600 mil to US cashier. US cashier says, "thank you mr Iranain ambassador, I have your check right here. Oh, wait a minute, there something attached to your check. Why it looks like a bill. It seems you have an outstanding balance of $600 mil., for holding our embassy staff hostage back in 1978. Well, after this is paid I can give you your check. No credit please, we need cash or cahiers check only."

If the US is to be held responsible for Saddam actions, should not France, Germany, and Russia also be held responsible? Afterall, they had multi-billion dollar deals with the former dictator didn't they?

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by dave654, Here's how this should go down. Iranian diplomat presents bill for $600 mil to US cashier. US cashier says, "thank you mr Iranain ambassador, I have your check right here. Oh, wait a minute, there something attached to your check. Why it looks like a bill. It seems you have an outstanding balance of $600 mil., for holding our embassy staff hostage back in 1978. Well, after this is paid I can give you your check. No credit please, we need cash or cahiers check only."

That's pretty funny, dave. That would be logical. :)

[Mia]

Yes, good point!

dave654

And when Iran sends back the bill, with a few hundred billion added on for the suffering of the Iranian people under the Shah, the bill being for the support of the Shah by the US (you remember the CIA sponsored coup right?), you'll then happily pay the bill, right?

[Impenitent]

Originally posted by PeterWolf, Impenitent You're a sad case really. Your logic, that essentialy might makes right, or in other words, if you can get away with it it's fine, makes 911 perfectly acceptable. Al Qaeda had the power and used it. So odd but I'm sure many will disagree with your logic. And what's worse, is that you appear to be one of these people who thinks others should play by the same rules you won't.

read a philosophy book...
http://caae.phil.cmu.edu/Cavalier/80130/pa...antReading.html

or better yet...
http://caae.phil.cmu.edu/Cavalier/80130/pa...II_preface.html

and yes, 9-11 was perfectly fine for those who did it... in their minds it was the right thing to do or else they wouldn't have done it...

why didn't we stop them? we didn't have the power

why are we fighting terrorism now? because we do have the power

many will disagree with my logic and then they will learn something about the philosophy of morals and ethics; axiology and then they will know I am correct... and I am one who doesn't give a crap about the rules... the strong do as they will and all the screaming and crying won't do a damn thing to change it... it takes power to change the world...

the world is the will to power and nothing besides - Nietzsche

[commonsense]

Whatever is going on over in Iraq with our military is just all the "dick dance" Bush can get away with without stirring up too much public opinion against his doing it.
Why is he doing it?
Because its a ruse to funnel tax money, essentially the life's blood and sweat of working parents, into the coffers of his corporate interests. (not to mention the lives of 700+ of our federal mercenaries and thousands more wounded)

A Libertarian foreign policy prevents the opportunity for such mischief.

As dismal as Kerry is, it looks to me like the Bush so-called "campaign" is just treading water so they can "throw" the election without looking like that's what they're doing.
Bush doesn't need four more years, he's set-up everybody he wants to already, why take the grief?
I'm sure they told Kerry, "Look numbnuts,,, just try not to step on your dick every five minutes and we'll let 'cha play Prez next, 'cuz no matter what you do, it means money for all our operations"

commonsense

Heh, interesting take, in part I agree with you. Bush didn't win the last election, and I don't believe he will win this one either, but the one I pity, is the winner because that person is going to have to deal with all the repercussions from Bush's acts.