Did the Holocaust happen?

[scrappy]

I've generally thought over all the years that the Holocaust was a part of history that really happened. However, since talking to a few people, it has been very interesting to hear their beliefs on how the subject didn't happen, with the evidence THEY have found.

What is everyone else's opinion on the matter?

agus beannacht

[Matt W]

Heh. It did. Studied it with enough primary material over 'A' Level history. Denial is BS.

[scrappy]

Quote by: Matt W Heh. It did. Studied it with enough primary material over 'A' Level history. Denial is BS.

So, care to share with me the evidence you have come across that suggests it definatly did happen?

I'm not a denier...just a very curious bloke with some very odd friends!

[PatrickHenry]

This is your first post?

The evidence is voluminous, including photographs and captured Nazi documents. Usually those who deny it entirely are neo-Nazis.

I'm not sure on its scope. I could have been 4 million or 8 million instead of 6 million Jews. It was still a massive genocide.

[Matt W]

Quote by: scrappy So, care to share with me the evidence you have come across that suggests it definatly did happen? I'm not a denier...just a very curious bloke with some very odd friends!

This was 15 plus years ago. Things like accounts from camp guards, memos from German Command about allocation of resources for the 'Final Solution'...survivors, liberators. You name it. It's there.

[scrappy]

Quote by: PatrickHenry This is your first post? The evidence is voluminous, including photographs and captured Nazi documents. Usually those who deny it entirely are neo-Nazis. I'm not sure on its scope. I could have been 4 million or 8 million instead of 6 million Jews. It was still a massive genocide.

That's what society has tought me. More importantly its what i've found out for myself. But it's just how to argue with a neo-nazi when he/she brings it up...rather foolishly

[PatrickHenry]

I can't do your research for you but starting with Wikipedia couldn't hurt: The Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[RickSp]

Quote by: scrappy That's what society has tought me. More importantly its what i've found out for myself. But it's just how to argue with a neo-nazi when he/she brings it up...rather foolishly

Beyond politely suggesting that they are full of shit, I would recommend walking away. Arguing with a neo-Nazi is a waste of time and implies a greater respect for their person and perspective than is due.

[bishop]

there are photographs, film, documents (the "final solution" meeting minutes for example), victim accounts, german accounts.. the evidence that the holocaust did exist is completely overwhelming - and there's too much to simply list in this thread.

given that there's more than a mountain of evidence proving that the holocaust did occur - these neo-nazi scumbags would need to disprove every single piece of evidence.. an impossible task - because the holocaust did occur.

(and on a side note, it was a very small taste of justice when we declared martial law and forced the germans to clean up those horrible camps.)

Quote by: rick Beyond politely suggesting that they are full of shit, I would recommend walking away. Arguing with a neo-Nazi is a waste of time and implies a greater respect for their person and perspective than is due.

agreed...

[Nono]

Quote by: scrappy However, since talking to a few people ...

.. (let me guess) you're also wondering whether the round-earth theory isn't a load of BS.

[McAiden]

Quote by: scrappy So, care to share with me the evidence you have come across that suggests it definatly did happen? I'm not a denier...just a very curious bloke with some very odd friends!

Guess that's what you are. Maybe you can make new friends. Now, why don't you visit a library or a hundred or so bookstores. While in the library, bring up some old WWII newspapers on computer, or on your own. Or, just ask another question that won't freak out the people.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: scrappy However, since talking to a few people, it has been very interesting to hear their beliefs on how the subject didn't happen, with the evidence THEY have found.

Then "THEY" are full of crap. The most compelling evidence is the records the highly efficient Germans themselves kept. It's available to anyone who looks. You can start here...

Examination of Holocaust denial


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[Mia]

It's not just neo-nazi's. Many Muslims deny it too. I told my Syrian friend I'd get up from the table and leave the restraunt if he was going to seriously try and tell me it didn't happen. I can't sit with someone that stupid or brainwashed against so much evidence.

When trying to appease me, he admitted it happened, but not to the scope claimed. Really he believed or professed that it did not happen.

I DO think it's true that Jews claim it as their tragedy only - i.e. 6 million Jews killed, when really the figure includes all the other people targeted by nazi's - catholics, poles, homosexulas, the list goes on...

There are many gruesome tragedies current and past - this one to my knowledge is the largest-scale brutality (not even a strong enough word) committed and it's amazing anyone could think it didn't happen.

There are photos, there is a museum, there are survivors still alive today with their tatoos and their stories, there are perps alive today who admit to the actions....

Every book or movie about it makes me cry. Though I loved 'The Pianist'. It spared me further scenes of the concentration camps, but what they went through in the ghetto wasn't pretty either.

[Mia]

Quote by: McAiden Maybe you can make new friends.

Good idea! What are you doing hanging out with neo-nazi's?

[bob60292]

Quote by: scrappy I've generally thought over all the years that the Holocaust was a part of history that really happened. However, since talking to a few people, it has been very interesting to hear their beliefs on how the subject didn't happen, with the evidence THEY have found. What is everyone else's opinion on the matter? agus beannacht

Yes, the holocaust is still happening; but now it's happening to the Palestinians.

[Mia]

Agreed - but please let's not hijack the thread and go there.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: bob Yes, the holocaust is still happening; but now it's happening to the Palestinians.

Quote by: Mia Agreed

Oh hogwash!! Inane hyperbole and inflamatory nonsense. About 4,000 Palestinians have died in the last 5 years, about a thousand more than we lost on 9/11. Over 6 million Jews were murdered during 5 years of the Holocaust. Israel isn't blameless in their actions but don't even THINK about comparing the two.

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[RickSp]

Quote by: Sonart . Oh hogwash!! Inane hyperbole and inflamatory nonsense. About 4,000 Palestinians have died in the last 5 years, about a thousand more than we lost on 9/11. Over 6 million Jews were murdered during 5 years of the Holocaust. Israel isn't blameless in their actions but don't even THINK about comparing the two. .

I agree completely. As brutal as Israel has been, referring to it as a holocaust is ludicrous.

Sloppy, hyperbolic language does no one any good, whether throwing around terms like holocaust, or in another thread the reference to medical company "genocide" based on unsupported claims of bad vaccine. Then again the phrase "Islamic Fascist" reared its foolish head in a post today, even though the religious fanatics have almost nothing in common with Fascists except that both are decidely not nice. Over the top language always distracts more than it illuminates.

[bishop]

and you can't forget about those "great minds" who liken the israelis to the nazis..

all of that emotion-driven, metaphoric crap isn't a sign of intelligence (or intelligent debate) imo. it's no different than the kind of mentality that gave us "freedom fries".

[abub]

Quote by: bishop (and on a side note, it was a very small taste of justice when we declared martial law and forced the germans to clean up those horrible camps.)

taste of justice? the german people did not deserve to be punished. the red army raping and pillaging countless homes of innocent germans wasn't enough? what about the destruction of entire german cities by american and british airpower?

the german people suffered under hitler's reign too, you just don't read many books or see many movies about it. i guess it's not as good of a sob story as portraying how 6 million jews died.