wmds in jordan...

[Impenitent]

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...55E1702,00.html

http://www.indolink.com/displayArticleS.ph...id=042704042703

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/...rror/index.html

"...In a series of raids, the Jordanians said, they seized 20 tons of chemicals and numerous explosives. Also seized were three trucks equipped with specially modified plows, apparently designed to crash through security barricades. ..."

20 TONS of CHEMICALS

and why isn't this on the front page of your newspaper?

BECAUSE IT PROVES BUSH WAS RIGHT

[dotcoma]

It "proves" nothing.

[dotcoma]

"Officials said there is debate within the CIA and other U.S. agencies over whether the plotters were planning to kill innocent people using toxic chemicals"

[Paavo]

Wait...what has this got to do with Iraq?

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Impenitent, 20 TONS of CHEMICALS

Where does it say "20 tons"? I can't find it. Is this "20 tons"?

[dotcoma]

From the picture, it definitely looks state sponsored. Such sophisticated plastic jugs. Lord Bush, please save us...

[Impenitent]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4838076/

more on the story... looking for the text of the Azmi al-Jayousi confession... they met in iraq in 1998

[Impenitent]

http://www.albawaba.com/news/printArticle....d=274936&lang=e

[jcgadfly]

Originally posted by Impenitent, http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0...55E1702,00.html http://www.indolink.com/displayArticleS.ph...id=042704042703 http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/26/...rror/index.html "...In a series of raids, the Jordanians said, they seized 20 tons of chemicals and numerous explosives. Also seized were three trucks equipped with specially modified plows, apparently designed to crash through security barricades. ..." 20 TONS of CHEMICALS and why isn't this on the front page of your newspaper? BECAUSE IT PROVES BUSH WAS RIGHT

Wow. We're attacking Iraq because Bush managed to find weapons that his dad sold to Jordan. Were they on a turkey farm also?

If the story was actually substantiated the media would be shouting it from the rooftops (liberal media my hindparts).

Since it's a rumor that's been confirmed as a rumor, it's only on CNN and Murdoch's rags.

EDIT: Oh, BS-NBC got it too. Still trying to distract from what is actually going on by bringing up bogeyman Osama. Doesn't change the rumor to a fact.

[Impenitent]

Originally posted by roxdog, Where does it say "20 tons"? I can't find it. Is this "20 tons"? User Posted Image

read the cnn or the msnbc story

[The Dunedan]

I make it a point never to trust anything so conveniant. After the press was so friendly ( behind the guise of being the "loyal opposition" ) to the war in Iraq, after all the attention lavished on a decayed collection of antiquated mortar shells, this -should- be all over the place, if it was even remotely connected. The fact that it's not speaks volumes for it's being either;
A: A local job.
B: A plant of some kind.
C: A false alarm.

Besides which, this happened in Jordan.
Not Iraq.
Jordan.

[Impenitent]

http://english.daralhayat.com/column/04-20...e926/story.html

:rolleyes: smuggled into jordan

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/Newsdesk...78?OpenDocument

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk...87?OpenDocument

Al-Jayousi said he later met al-Zarqawi in Iraq to plan the foiled Jordanian plots, but did not specify when the meeting occurred.
"I have pledged loyalty to Abu-Musab to fully be obedient and listen to him without discussion," al-Jayousi said in the Jordanian television segment.

The videotape showed still photographs of al-Jayousi and nine other suspects, four of whom were said to have died during clashes with security forces. Three of the slain men were identified as Syrians, while two of those captured were also said to have come from Syria.

Syria has denied official Jordanian claims that militants involved in the plot entered Jordan from Syria.

One Jordanian suspect, car mechanic Hussein Sharif Hussein, was shown saying al-Jayousi asked him to buy vehicles and modify them to crash through gates and walls. He said he met al-Jayousi in 1999.

it comes home to roost

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Impenitent, http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/Newsdesk...78?OpenDocument http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk...87?OpenDocument [/b]

Funny, all the sudden you're using the Lebanese press as a reliable source.

[Impenitent]

they are the only ones covering it fully... like I said, the american media wants to elect kerry, this story proves bush was right and the press can't have that...

[dotcoma]

This story proves nothing.

[dotcoma]

Plastic jugs. Oh, Lord Bush, how could we have doubted thee...

"Officials said there is debate within the CIA and other U.S. agencies over whether the plotters were planning to kill innocent people using toxic chemicals"

[Impenitent]

chemicals come in plastic jugs... or do you think all chemical weapons come in pretty metal containers that look like weapons? go buy some chlorine for a swimming pool sometime... hell, remember oklahoma city? that was explosives packed in a ryder truck... a ryder truck! did that look like a tank or other war machine?!?

[Impenitent]

Originally posted by roxdog, This story proves nothing.

:rolleyes: and you with your conspiracy theories... this story you don't like so you choose not to accept it... the story does prove bush was right... wmds are there

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Impenitent, hell, remember oklahoma city? that was explosives packed in a ryder truck... a ryder truck! did that look like a tank or other war machine?!?

Ha. The ryder truck and Mcviegh was a diversion. It's irrefutable...

A retired military explosives expert says the government's "fertilizer truck bomb" story is hogwash. By Trisha Katson The SPOTLIGHT, September 26, 1995 A 25-year expert on explosives and demolition has called for a congressional investigation to officially determine the initiators of the tragic Oklahoma City bombing which killed 168 people and injured hundreds of others. Ben Partin, a retired brigadier general in the United States Air Force, has provided every member of Congress a detailed, comprehensive report of his analysis of the April 19, bombing. The general contends the explosion was caused in part by demolition charges placed at critical structural points inside the building. The official story by the Clinton administration's FBI, accepted virtuallly without question by the Establishment media, is that the bombing was caused solely by a single truck bomb consisting of 4,800 pounds of ammonium nitrate transported to the location in a Ryder truck which was parked outside the building. Partin said the destruction to the building could not have possibly resulted from such a bomb alone. To verify his analytical conclusions, Partin visited Oklahoma City during the last week of June 1995, where he had the opportunity to review hundreds of photographs taken throughout the cleanup operation. The photos, taken before the debris was hauled off and buried at another site, provide, in Partin's view, "irrefutable evidence that at least four demolition charges were set off at four critical columns of the reinforced concrete structure at the floor level of the third floor." Says Partin: "Based on my experience in weapons development and bomb damage analysis, and on my review of all evidence available, I can say, with a high level of confidence, that the damage pattern on the reinforced concrete superstructure could not possibly have been attained from a single truck bomb without supplementing demolition charge. "The total incompatibility of this pattern of destruction with a single truck bomb lies in the simple, incontrovertible fact that some of the columns collapsed that should not have collapsed if the damage was caused solely by a truck bomb, and some of the columns were left standing that should have collapsed if the damage had been caused by the truck bomb." The architect of the Alfred P. Murrah Building, Partin said, agrees with the retired general's assessment. "In my discussions with the building architect," said Partin, "he told me that the residual building was structurally sound and that the Murrah building could have been rebuilt. This is totally consistent with the collapse of columns with demolition charges because the inflicted structural damage is localized." PRESERVE LIBERTIES Partin has requested that action on so-called anti-terrorism legislation, which raised serious civil liberty questions, be deferred until the causes of the bombing are determined by independent investigators. That measure, introduced in Congress in February 1995, was going nowhere until the tragic bombing occurred. Each lawmaker [member of Congress] has been provided by Partin with a packet of documentation including a letter, an 11-page report, his biography, charts and colour photographs documenting his analysis. Partin's background includes 25 years in weapons development. He was also the first chairman of the OSD (Office of the Secretary of Defense) joint service Air Munitions Requirements and Development Committee. The report concludes "the primary reinforced concrete structural failure soley attributable to the truck bomb is the stripping out of the ceilings of the first and second floors in the "pit" area behind columns B4 and B5.0. The effort required to bomb the building, said Partin, "pales in comparison with the effort to cover it up. It is truly unfortunate that a separate and independent bomb damage assessment was not made during the cleanup, before the building was demolished on May 23, 1995, and hundreds of truck loads of debris were hauled away, smashed down and covered with dirt behind a security fence." Whether any member of Congress, after having been presented with this evidence, will go public with the information is another matter. "The bottom line is," an aide to a Republican congressman told The SPOTLIGHT, "is there anybody in Congress with the intestinal fortitude to challenge the powerful forces behind the orthodox version of what happened in Oklahoma City?" Other points in Partin's report include: - Heavily reinforced concrete beams can be destroyed effectively through detonation of explosives in contact with the reinforced concrete beams. The entire building remains in Oklahoma City were collapsed with 100-plus relatively small charges inserted into drilled holes in the columns. The total wieght of all charges was on the order of 200 pounds. - Blast through air is a very inefficient energy coupling mechanism against heavily reinforced concrete beams and columns. Blast damage potential initially falls off more rapidly than in inverse function of the distance cubed, which is why in conventional weapons development, one seeks accuracy over yield for hard targets. - The detonation wave pressure (500,000 to 700,000 pounds per square inch) from a contact explosive sweeps into the column as a wave of compressive deformation. Since the pressure in the wave of deformation far exceeds the yield strength of the concrete (about 3,500 pounds per square inch) by a factor of approximately 200, the concrete is turned into granular sand and dust until the wave dissipates to below the yield strength of the concrete. - This leaves a relatively smooth but granular surface, with protruding, bare reinforcement rods - a distinctive signature of contact explosives. The effect of the contact explosive on the reinforcement rods (which are inertially confined and only see a wave of plastic deformation) can only be seen under microscopic metallurgical examination. - When a reinforced concrete structure is damaged through air shock coupling and the pressure is below the compressive yield strength of the concrete, the failure mode is generally compressive structural fracture on one side and tensile fracture on the other - both characterized by cracks and rough fracture surfaces. Such a surface texture is very different from the smooth granular surface resulting from contact explosives. from Spotlight newspaper at http://www.spotlight.org/Sept_26/Fbomb/fbomb.html

A fertilizer bomb CANNOT DO THIS...


But that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Impenitent, they met in iraq in 1998

Did the 9/11 hijackers ever meet in America? Well then. PatrickHenry was right. Those attacks were an American plot.