2004 will be a year of attacks on America

[Osborn F Enready]

I agree, and I don't support blanket "labeling" of people based on anything, except men or women when it comes to public restrooms.

Not trying to pick a fight here Mia, he just said a lot of points I thought were relevant.

ALL people stereotype, or prejudice things and people no matter how open minded, accepting or equality oriented they are. I have my faults, as do all of us, but labels are best left on packaged goods.

[Mia]

I guess I was originally asking you do you support the boycotting of businesses and deportation idea?

I'm not trying to pick a fight either, my question was genuine, not sarcastic, and meant to discover if this part is what you agreed with.

[commonsense]

Ok Mia, here goes: (and thank you Osborne Enready)

I've been attempting via several related posts to at least gauge, if not instill, the idea that the next attack should not be met with the same perverse PC "tolerance" that followed 9/11.

It seems that the real implications of the phenomenal terrorist success, human damage and moral insult of our greatest building and one of our grandest international symbols having been attacked, especially in the manner in which it was....
Was never duly felt by many americans, and nearly forgotten by the rest.

My main point is
1) the reaction to the next one should be swift and sure, and by the people, not our self-serving agencies of bunglers (or worse, liars)
2) Sometimes the innocent or merely remotely complicit have to suffer, and regrettable as it is, and as contrary to our general national character of acceptance, tolerance and charity, certain severe measures unthinkable in lesser situations would not only be preferrable to others more measured, but might actually spell the difference between our continued survival as a culture whose benevolent nature will soon be restored once the arab community polices itself for its own self-preservation within the larger american population.

[Osborn F Enready]

I agree with "the people" being able to boycott should they deem it necessary. I don't think they did, and that is why we didn't see it en masse. I have a lot of issues with foreigners who move here and manipulate our business laws to run tax free businesses. If ANYONE is entitiled to tax free business, its the people who fight and die for this country, NOT FOREIGNERS!

I do believe that anyone who is not a legal alien should be deported IMMEDIATELY, upon discovery.

I do not support boycotting, petitioning, antagonizing ANYONE because of their homeland of origin, or their color, religious beliefs, or any other reason that is obviously superficial.

With that being said, I admit I often make Polock jokes because many people see my last name and think I am Polish.... LOL

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by commonsense, My main point is 1) the reaction to the next one should be swift and sure, and by the people, not our self-serving agencies of bunglers (or worse, liars)

You recognize them for liars. Why accept their lies? Punish the real perps of 9/11. Bush protects them. I mean NORAD, CIA, NSC...

Absolutely NO! to targeting innocent Arab/Americans or middle eastern immigrants.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Osborn F Enready, I agree with "the people" being able to boycott should they deem it necessary. I don't think they did, and that is why we didn't see it en masse. I have a lot of issues with foreigners who move here and manipulate our business laws to run tax free businesses. If ANYONE is entitiled to tax free business, its the people who fight and die for this country, NOT FOREIGNERS! I do believe that anyone who is not a legal alien should be deported IMMEDIATELY, upon discovery. I do not support boycotting, petitioning, antagonizing ANYONE because of their homeland of origin, or their color, religious beliefs, or any other reason that is obviously superficial. With that being said, I admit I often make Polock jokes because many people see my last name and think I am Polish.... LOL

Who and how do they get tax-free businesses? I'm asking because the Pakistani guy at my convenience store will "not charge me tax" sometimes when I negotiate with him...

Yes, I negotiate with convenience store people! If they are from a country that negotiates for everything why not take advantage?

(They probably think we are so dumb to walk in and just pay whatever's on the sticker!!!!)

[commonsense]

Well, again, I merely point this out because the "official" remedy for terrorist operatives among us not only hasn't changed anything domestically, all it did do was cost Iraqi and american G.I. lives, spend alot of money, aggrandize certain businesses, and worst of all, opened carte blanche the creation of agencies of dunderheads, hiring of legions of govt employees who will never contest whichever regime "slops their trough", and worse, they will eventually (sooner rather than later) get around to turning their pens and gun barrels against the citizen.

It is common sense (under appropriate circumstances) to suspend our tolerance when only the "profile group" is capable of ending the nonsense.

I stood upwind and just across the bay (foolishly) to watch 'Tower2' accordion itself to the ground in a huge, lingering "V" of smoke which rose for over a week.

If the next attack on lower manhattan (how many remember that the plane attack was the second effort by the same cult of ragheads?) is made, this time, from one of the thousands of surplus Soviet nuclear mortar rounds floating around the black market, that smoke I observe will contain fallout that will definitely be unforgettable for the rest of my (and millions of my neighbors') short-ass life. (Pulp Fiction)

....when waking up to the realization that it would be so much more humanitarian in the long-run if the gullible among us would shake-off the fanatical socialist ideology that desires to see the destruction of America to become reduced to the equal of the "third world" that we've all been force-fed by our teachers and professors (who of course see their lifestyle unchanged as they preside over it)--and yes, perhaps temporarily "target" our finger-licking middleastern friends long enough to get them to get the radicals among them to cut the crap.

It fascinates me to no end the success that our socialist academia has had in perverting our sensibilities to the extent of not recognizing what may be necessary for our own self preservation...

Oh wait a minute, what am I saying? Have I forgotten that suicide bombers exist? That cult members willingly "drink the Kool-aid?" That religious fanatics in the Phillipines actually ceremoniously nail themselves to crosses? That medieval penitents flogged themselves with chains? Fanaticals are always perfectly willing, or blinded to the fact, that their beliefs spell their own destruction.

This is leading to a new thread, but its related, so food for thought:

Socialism is a sick religion, as incredible as any other, and owes its success to the perversion of Christianity, preying upon the emotional sentiment and supersticion of those ingrained with their still-lingering Christian morals of benevolence, of course, twisted and exploited to serve its administrators.

"Liberalism" in all its forms IS "The combining of Church and State"--the very thing atheists and "progressives" decry as wrong when Bush "prays" (not that I'm a fan of his, either) precisely because it invokes "conscience" and "morality" while it forcibly picks your pocket. At least to flip a few bucks into the offering plate as its passed is at least voluntary.
I never met a priest who had holes in his shoes (actually- cut through an alley alongside any pasonage or rectory, you'll see mounds of empty bottles of all top-shelf booze and the refuse of only the best of everything in gourmet dining)---just like our politicians and bureaucrats who swill champagne while they pontificate of the needs of "the poor" yet are blind to the unnatural social dynamics their programs create that cause human suffering at all socioeconomic levels

[Mia]

Start your own thread.

[commonsense]

I'm interested in hearing your response to what I say above about the combining of church and state as it relates to liberalism, I think you're the only female that posts here with any consistency...

[Mia]

Sure, in a new thread or an existing one of that topic. As long as you'll start your thread on all this boycotting/deporting thing and respond to the questions I have.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Mia, Sure, in a new thread or an existing one of that topic. As long as you'll start your thread on all this boycotting/deporting thing and respond to the questions I have.

Mia, don't ask for that. The Proxmire Act , implementing the UN Genocide Convention makes it a Federal crime punishable by a $500K fine and/or 5 years in prison to incite against a racial, ethnic or religious group. If I am not mistaken, volconvo has already pulled commonsense's topic on such. Even debating it could get commonsense in trouble if it could be shown that he was actually advocating such action. Not to mention the liability volconvo may incur. Let it drop, you guys. It's a bad idea.

[commonsense]

Thanks for the link PH, you are really on the ball!

However, nowhere does it say anything about nonviolent boycotts.
Unless you or I feels motivated (or silly) enough to lodge a complaint against Al Franken for suggesting the boycott of purchasing SUV's...

Apparently the subtleties of my post are not being expressed well enough.
I discuss the matter, foremost philosophically, as regards the reactions of mobs once sufficent public hysteria manifests itself (which I would have thought the attacks of 9/11 should have) in response to terrorism.

But more practically now, to stimulate thought on just what should the reaction be when (heaven forbid) subsequent attacks come...

[Mia]

Commonsense, can you please answer my question in "Are Muslim nations terrorist by nature?"

I started a new thread so we are not hijacking others.

[Mia]

Originally posted by PatrickHenry,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatrickHenry,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Mia, Sure, in a new thread or an existing one of that topic.  As long as you'll start your thread on all this boycotting/deporting thing and respond to the questions I have.

Mia, don't ask for that. The Proxmire Act , implementing the UN Genocide Convention makes it a Federal crime punishable by a $500K fine and/or 5 years in prison to incite against a racial, ethnic or religious group. If I am not mistaken, volconvo has already pulled commonsense's topic on such. Even debating it could get commonsense in trouble if it could be shown that he was actually advocating such action. Not to mention the liability volconvo may incur. Let it drop, you guys. It's a bad idea.[/b][/quote]

PH, it would be great if he would quit talking about it altogether, but since he insists on repeating it in every post that is related to Arabs or Muslims it would be better to be in it's own thread. As long as he's going to keep saying it, I can't refrain from challenging it.

[commonsense]

Look, I recognize the discussion as futile....

What then do you think makes sense as a popular response to the next terror attack?

I'm a Libertarian, generally. Whether PH is right that the whole international thing has been a plot to aggrandize our armed agencies, I hate to see any more tin stars handed out. Its potentially more dangerous than the terrorist acts.

I know PH is from HI, but maybe the rest of you weren't affected by all the bridge and tunnel checkpoints that clogged traffic and hurt the economy. Its so simple to carry out any number of acts of terrorism that this whole situation amounts to carte blanche of hiring, just wait until the next one scares those unmoved by 9/11 so far... Can you imagine living in an armed camp? I've been in Soviet-occupied countries before, and it sucks. Do you know how many yahoos the DHS is just itching to hire? Imagine two armed pimply-faced punks posted on every little bridge 24/7 across every brook on your way to work! Talk about brownshirts! There's too many cops already with that "Domestic Terror" pamphlet as their only understanding of the Bill of Rights, and they're hiring more and more, all with their heads shaved...

Have you forgotten the hysteria in the airports and all the lame shoe-checking and grannies being detained for who knows what? Talk about a transfer of employment into the "public sector" ...

The worst part of those days post 9/11 was how our vaunted congress argued over to which governmental agency the new legions of inspectors would belong... not a concern for their effectiveness, but whose voting bloc the new govt employees would belong in, and to whom they'd owe their allegiance.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by commonsense, Thanks for the link PH, you are really on the ball! However, nowhere does it say anything about nonviolent boycotts.

US Code Section 1091 a) 4)

subjects the group to conditions of life that are intended to cause the physical destruction of the group in whole or in part;

An economic boycott is a possible cause for action under the Proxmire Act.
Let's just tell our Muslim friends to consider the consequences of winking at suspicious circumstances...

[commonsense]

What are you, bucking for a position with the DHS? I'm sure they're hiring! lol

[Onyx Six]

Originally posted by Mr.Vicchio, 2004 will be a year of attacks on America.

Correction 2004 is not the year they attack. Its the year we attack!
John Titor has predicted these such events in which the US becomes a police state and we divide against each other. Thanks to the patriot act thats happening soon and due to the divided state of america leading into the Elections i belive the country will be divided down the middle. John Titor Lives!!!!!!!!











JK! But his predictions sounds kinda freaky huh?
I think an attack will try to take place soon but i beilive the US might be able to stop it. They have really beefed up there security. Im not saying one won't happen just not to a scale of 9/11. Or if the CIA makes a HOAX attack to gain voters support who knows?

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by commonsense, What are you, bucking for a position with the DHS? I'm sure they're hiring! lol

Not a friend of Federal cops...

[commonsense]

PH, I always figured you couldn't be, but your bringing up the Proxmire Act is confusing. (First of all, just about anything that congress does called an "act" is a safe bet its unconstitutional the way you or I are likely to view it---Proxmire was probably trying to kiss some group or another's ass when he sponsored it)
But, knowing you recognize the fallacy, not to mention uselessness of hiring more "security" forces, I'll beat a dead horse one last time and ask you, just what do you think should be the public response to the next attack, heaven forbid it comes?