Just for fun, when they debate

[Mr.Vicchio]

When the time comes for Kerry and Bush to debate, what do you think will happen?

What I mean is, don't play it out, but how will they do? Pitted on the same stage against each other?

I forsee, Bush comming off as ineloquent, which he is, but friendly, sure of himself, and sure of his stand on the issues, and funny.

I forsee Kerry as stiff, impersonal, very good on the party line he is forming now, and, whats a good word to use here.. unflexible, I think would be a good term. No, perhaps thats not right, more.. not funny, not friendly... I think he will try to channel Clintons ability to emotionally link with people, and fail, from what I have seen, at the attempt.

In the end, its going to be, like all debates, about one liners, I give Bush the nod for most likely to pop off the funniest one liners, which always seem to get air time, and Kerry for the most eloquent of the one liners.

Your thoughts?

Both of these guys are poor orators. Poor compared to their peers. They do better than I would under similar circumstances. The largest crowd I've orated to was less than 200. I do believe Kerry will look poor beside Bush. W is far more comfortable before a crowd than he was 4-5 years ago. I don't support much of what he does but I do enjoy listening to his down home Texan delivery. He's not nearly as eloquent as his predecessor, but it seems only the hardline lefties don't appreciate his style.
Kerry, on the other hand, comes accross as borderline pompous in his presentation. His tone of voice is rather monotone and impreious sounding. He seem like he is constantly laying down the law. "Let me tell you..."
Based on personality alone I think Bush will look better, hands down. On substance I think Kerry is well coached and by the time of the debates he might have settled down and actually taken a stand on the issues. If this is the case I have no doubt he will be able to speak knowledgably when explaining his platform. He will just sound wooden. Not as bad as Gore, but close.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

I had always wondered how the 'jk flipflop' got it's name, but I now have a theory about the "K". :(

[Thrazymakkuz]

It'll be boring. The two of them combined have the mixed bag of charisma and conviction of an overturned red-bellied turtle baking in the hot summer Alabama sun.

Even though I don't wish it, I expect another bored populace - of the ones that actually show up to the polls - to re-elect the monster in office today.

What is it about Bush's personality that people can relate to? He bumbles through sentences. He's still working on how to say "nuclear" correctly, but he's definitely making progress. When he speaks, he plays the most uninspiring televangelist out there. He looks closer to a monkey than a man. He looks like a dweeb in his cowboy outfit. He seems to be more willing to have people killed than to find another solution.

I'd only want to have a coffee with the guy if I was stoned. I don't get it. He's not inspiring. He's a tool. I don't know. I just don't know. Explain it to me concisely, someone.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Those that look not past how someone speaks or looks, are doomed to miss the mesage. I hear both canidates, it helps to just read transcripts to see WHAT they are saying.

And betweeen the two, I firmly prefer the What not the how. The why not the way.

Clinton was very good and the How and Way.

Bush has flaws. He does bumble through his speaches, especially the Q&A afterwards. But this is what endears him to so many Americans. He seems like just another Joe who became president. We all know his Bio contradicts this impression, but people like him anyway. I think all the controversy surrounding his predecessor helps too. Clinton was an extreemly accomplished orator, very glib and charming. And yet he is now seen as a lecherous dog by most people. I think there is also a backlash growing against the "Elites" in this country. The average Joe is starting to feel they their oats, so to speak. I know I'm sick of all the glib rhetoric I hear form politicians, talking heads, pundants etc. The average guy is starting to realize he isn't as dumb as he's been lead to believe. Just my 1.3 cents worth of wisdom.

[Suburbanite]

Dave nailed it. If people think how he speaks is something other than a style choice they are missing the trees for the forrest (Did I use that metaphor right?)

Thanks Sub. Hey, go to my last post on the god thread in the philosophy forum. You or Shunny should start another thread on that topic.

[white rice]

Funny site...
http://johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingfor...rhimanyway.com/

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Thrazymakkuz

Exactly how does comparing him to a monkey make you points? Or are you a former member of the KKK and use that comparison out of habit?

[PhanthomOps]

To dave654 & Suburbanite:

Right On !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

President Bush is human and speaks from the heart with conviction.

He is honest, has ethics, morals and integrity, and is willing to take the s--t without wavering or backing-off to gain political popularity as so many do.

He may not be a great orator, however, how many of us are? He speaks like a regular person you might meet on the street, and in so doing makes his message clear to the masses.

Additionally, when he says he will do something - HE DOES IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem is the liberal-minded, lassir-faire, obstructionist Democrat wimps, who whine and cry at the slightest thing both private and in Congress are preventing President Bush from accomplishing more.

They remind me of the picture "American President" with Michael Douglas, when at the end he stomps on Senator Bob Rumsford. All they can do is tell you what is wrong, without giving a real answer as how to correct it. They point fingers at anything to get your attention off the real issue. And most of all, they waste your time and mine by having to explain why they play the political game of saying what that particular audience wants to hear, flip-floping to the other side of the fence to another audience.

An old Native American Indian saying comes to mind - "You speak with forked-tounge" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The debate will be interesting to say the least. The one who shows true humanity, not political bull---t will come out the winner.

[harumscarum]

He may not be a great orator, however, how many of us are? He speaks like a regular person you might meet on the street, and in so doing makes his message clear to the masses.

Considering he is the president of the US I would hope he would be. He has no idea of what it is like to be "on the street". He has grown up with more wealth and privilege then 99.99% of the US population. Do I care? No. But I do not like this fake facade that people try to paint of Bush.

If there is a debate the whole thing will be scripted big time and written by the Bush and Kerry team. I can already picture Kerry covering his microphone and whispering to Bush "You weren’t suppose to ask me that"

So I think the debate will be meaningless for most people. The (D) and ®s will love it because they can just stick it to each other.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, President Bush is human and speaks from the heart with conviction. He is honest, has ethics, morals and integrity, and is willing to take the s--t without wavering or backing-off to gain political popularity as so many do.

I think i'm going to vomit....

[PhanthomOps]

To: harumscarum & roxdog:

Harumscarum
If you check back through our history, you will find that there were a number of Presidents who were accomplished orators, and a number who bumbled along. Being a good orator is not absolutely necessary. Let's face it, all major political speeches, etc are pre-written, however, that doesn't mean that what he is saying is not what he believes, and intends to do. Just look at Clinton, he really could sling the bulls--t and fool the general public. RE: "I did not have sex with that woman". If you or I constantly lied under oath like he did, they would have slapped us in jail and thrown away the key. It is not whether or not he is a great orator as much as how he conducts himself after saying what he did.

roxdog
I hope you have a good one and it cleans out the cobwebs in your brain. Then, perhaps you would be actually able to think and reason.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, roxdog I hope you have a good one and it cleans out the cobwebs in your brain. Then, perhaps you would be actually able to think and reason.

Guys, I think we have another Fez on our hands...

[castille]

Bush is a moron....but aren't we all? I like Bush's human tactics (ie. he is human, not some weird machine). I mean I can't pronounce nuclear properly.

Clinton was slick....but he had a lovable "Don't blame me" charm.

Kerry.....er, he's just a face.


(P.S. Comparing people to monkeys is a common white nationalist tactics to compare "negroites to monkeys" - see Stormfront).

[PhanthomOps]

roxdog

A fez is a hat worn especially by men in eastern Mediterranean countries.

I was born and raised in the Good Old United States of America. I am not a "male-chauvinist-pig". I believe in equal rights for
EVERYONE and have served in the military to defend and protect our Constitution and Country (Silver Star, 2 Bronze Stars and 2 Purple Hearts).

I do appreciate a good debate, and feel everyone should be able to freely voice their opinion short of causing a revolution or treason.

Your remark was cute though

[Thrazymakkuz]

Originally posted by castille, (P.S. Comparing people to monkeys is a common white nationalist tactics to compare "negroites to monkeys" - see Stormfront).

It's also a common taxonomy and evolutionary tactic, so you'll pardon me if I don't care what you choose to associate the comment with.

Secondly, yes everyone is a moron to some degree. But to have someone who is a moron to such a high degree in one of the highest positions of power and responsibility in the world... well, it still doesn't make sense.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Maybe cause he ISN'T such a moron? Thusly your anaylisis of the president is flawed.

[Thrazymakkuz]

No, I'm pretty sure my analysis is dead on. Besides, I wasn't the one to call him a moron. My original post that castille responded to made no mention of that. I figgered that since a [seemingly] pro-Bushie was going to go so far to call the Prez a moron, then it would be my obligation to continue. See, if someone is chanting, hoping, or voting for something or someone, and they acknowledge the negative (esp. without provocation) in that same thing or person, there is where truth indeed resides.

It's open-minded. I like that.