Galloway: Israel Is A Terrorist State

[McAiden]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I say: LOL.... Always have to use pity as a tool? That whole post is nonsense.

I don't think anybody has ever "pitied" the Jewish people. To the contrary, they are admired for their strength, tenacity, faith, wisdom, power, imagination, order, zeal, and will.

[G. Adams]

Quote by: McAiden Are you serious? Firstly, the Jews were literally thrown to the lions when they were the first followers of Jesus. Later, they were blamed for the plague, blamed & killed for the burning of Rome, murdered during The Inquisition because they were not Christians, and murdered systematically by the Russians, the Germans. Is that enough? Since given a home to call their own by the British, Israel, the Jews have been hunted down and murdered by Arabs. How have they been "protected" and by whom? What they were given by Americans was financial assistance to build a homeland and to protect it themselves.

Israel, I said, note the italics I used in the last post. Israel being the state. The Jewish people have had one of the most saddening, mournful history's I can think of, but Israel is another matter entirely. The state of Israel has been protected within the UN by US veto's and has had $6 billion dollars of free military aid per year from the US and limitless ammo. Just because the world hasn't continually put troops down to defend Israel doesn't mean it hasn't been defended. Troops are the last thing they need, they have the alongside the British (pre-Iraq anyway) the most experienced and respected military in the world. What it needed was political cover, and that is what it has recieved.

[ise]

Quote by: McAiden Are you serious? Firstly, the Jews were literally thrown to the lions when they were the first followers of Jesus. Later, they were blamed for the plague, blamed & killed for the burning of Rome, murdered during The Inquisition because they were not Christians, and murdered systematically by the Russians, the Germans. Is that enough? Since given a home to call their own by the British, Israel, the Jews have been hunted down and murdered by Arabs. How have they been "protected" and by whom? What they were given by Americans was financial assistance to build a homeland and to protect it themselves.

They must be doing something wrong.:confused:




So it's not just the awful Arabs who do not like their chip-on-the-shoulder neighbours. Or is it only the Zionists they dislike!

The UN has "protected" the Israeli borders for 28 years at enormous cost and totally unjustified to an ungrateful Israel.

[shrike]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Nobody EVER wants to deal with the reverse analogy either. What if the UN had forced people out of your home area, to make room for a people claiming to have some "intangible" right to your land? Would you simply pick up and leave, no hard feelings, no anger? More importantly, would you still support the UN?

What It has to do with I/P confict only god knows.

[Osborn F Enready]

Shrike said: What It has to do with I/P confict only god knows.

I say:
Much like God is all who knows about Israels claim to the land........ so why are non-Gods using bombs, guns and death of innocents civillians the only ones who made it so they can build there, courtesy the UN? Do you consider the UN your god?

What a joke.

[shrike]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I say: Much like God is all who knows about Israels claim to the land........

Are you denying that there was a Jewish state and jewish presence in the area along the history?

so why are non-Gods using bombs, guns and death of innocents civillians the only ones who made it so they can build there, courtesy the UN? Do you consider the UN your god

What do you want to say by this?

[Osborn F Enready]

Shrike said: Are you denying that there was a Jewish state and jewish presence in the area along the history?

I say:
Nope. I am simply clarifying who put them "back" after they got kicked out. Perhaps, they should have assimilated, or TAKEN THEIR OWN GROUND?

Shrike said: What do you want to say by this?

I say:
Your opinion.

[shrike]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I say: Nope. I am simply clarifying who put them "back" after they got kicked out. Perhaps, they should have assimilated, or TAKEN THEIR OWN GROUND? .

No one put anyone back Jews came and bought the land.

I say: Your opinion

I see there was some straw-man argument.

[Osborn F Enready]

shrike said: No one put anyone back Jews came and bought the land.

I say:
How much land?
Who was it purchased from?
In what deal?

Shrike said: I see there was some straw-man argument.

I say:
No, not at all. I just misread you last answer as "what do you want me to say by this" and you had actually typed "what do you want to say by this".

My argument is about the "religious claim" made to the land as in "God said" somebody has a right to the land.

That is what I was hitting on, for your opinion.

[shrike]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I say: How much land? Who was it purchased from? In what deal?

Open a history book and educate yourself.Anyway in Jewish state allocated by UN there was a Jewish majority.

I say: No, not at all. I just misread you last answer as "what do you want me to say by this" and you had actually typed "what do you want to say by this". My argument is about the "religious claim" made to the land as in "God said" somebody has a right to the land. That is what I was hitting on, for your opinion.

Relegius claims has nothing to do with real ownership of the land.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Nine minute video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-brkmfrxrQY&eurl This guy is so articulate.

I watched that video-clip.
That guy (Galloway) is a demagogue.

Errata :
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- originally written : damagogue
- corrected : demagogue

Thank you jose :-)

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready How much land? Who was it purchased from? In what deal?

Try this Osborn. http://www.palestineremembered.com/A...Story1513.html

[bishop]

Quote by: Zinkovich What a horrible ethical conumdrum. Did the Jews have some place to live before Israel was created? Was the creation of this problem really necessary? I still feel the innocent Israelis shouldn't be punished for their unknowing part in what seems, to be from what I've read on these forums, a greivious wrong. Where are most of the Arabs now? I can't seem to find anything on that piece of information in paticular in google searches.

no, the creation of this problem wasn't necessary - even after the horrors of the holocaust...

and, i'm not sure that "punishing" is even close to the correct word here.. people who view israel as a pariah state (which it is as far as i'm concerned), feel that the u.s. should cease giving israel military aid. that is almost at the heart of the problem - our aid prevents israel from having to truly deal with its issues with the palestinians (i.e. find a political solution).

most countries are expected to be able to fend for themselves... i'm tired of having my tax dollars going towards welfare for israel - a state that doesn't deserve one red cent of my tax dollars.

[Osborn F Enready]

Great link Patrick, thank you.

A scham, just as I had thought.

[shrike]

Quote by: PH Try this Osborn. http://www.palestineremembered.com/A...Story1513.html

Could you post any credible source?

Quote by: OSBORN Great link Patrick, thank you. A scham, just as I had thought.

You swallow any propaganda that is given to it seems

[bishop]

pot.kettle.black...

i've yet to see you question ANYTHING that the IDF issues in its press releases.. you eat their excuses up with a shovel.

according to our definition of terrorism, israel IS a terrorist state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definit...#United_States

The United States has defined terrorism under the Federal Criminal Code. Chapter 113B of Part I of Title 18 of the United States Code defines terrorism and lists the crimes associated with terrorism[6]. In Section 2331 of Chapter 113b, terrorism is defined as: "..activities that involve violent... <or life-threatening acts>... that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State and... appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and ...<if domestic>...(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States...<if international>...(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States..."

[shrike]

i've yet to see you question ANYTHING that the IDF issues in its press releases.. you eat their excuses up with a shovel.

Any example when IDF lied on purpose?

according to our definition of terrorism, israel IS a terrorist state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definit...#United_States Quote: The United States has defined terrorism under the Federal Criminal Code. Chapter 113B of Part I of Title 18 of the United States Code defines terrorism and lists the crimes associated with terrorism[6]. In Section 2331 of Chapter 113b, terrorism is defined as: "..activities that involve violent... <or life-threatening acts>... that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State and... appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and ...<if domestic>...(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States...<if international>...(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States

How so?Anyway if call Israel terrorist state you could say it about half of the states in world including US.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shrike Any example when IDF lied on purpose?

I guess they just accidentally lie every day. :rolleyes:

Quote by: shrike How so?Anyway if call Israel terrorist state you could say it about half of the states in world including US.

Bingo! But not half the states in the world. Only the ones with unlimited supplies of armaments for killing civilians.