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| 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438 | The Constitution in Crisis John Conyers has slapped the Bush Administration across the mouth. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-c...i_b_26520.html Quote:
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/iraqrept2.html "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams | |
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| dsanthony Posts: 135 | Thanks again, for verifying that if Dems take control of Congress, they will begin impeachment hearings against Bush. I doubt the US public wants to go through that process while we have troops in Afghan and Iraq. At least I hope they're not that dumb. The consitution is fine. |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | Two terms of rule by fiat in open defiance of half of the Bill of Rights, the rule of habeas corpus and most major international treaties should not go unpunished. Of course, legality aside, we have a nation stuck in a needless quagmire in Iraq, terrorism is a greater threat today than ever, the Middle East is in flames, and the budget deficit is roaring along out of control. No wonder the war party hacks want us to focus on flag burning and gay marriage. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis |
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| dsanthony Posts: 135 | The right of habeus corpus has not been witheld from any American citizen. Foreign terrorists have no access to that right. US citizens fighting on the side of our enemies, whether in this war or in any other, have lost their rights and become enemy combatants. Your insane rhetoric has no bearing in reality. |
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| 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438 | Quote:
The enemy is Washington, DC and its desire to concentrate all powers and prerogatives unto itself. Article I, Section 9, Clause 2. This clause provides, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." And yet Bush has done so: Jose Padilla was held without charges for three years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%...d_terrorist%29 Stop lying, dsanthony "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams | |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | Bush has muffled people 19 times using State Secrets rulings. "No crisis here pal, just carry on about your business before we have to unsheathe the MP5." dsanthony, turn Fox network off. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | Quote:
The right of habeas corpus, the oldest of all rights, applies to anyone under US jurisdiction, not just US citizens. This was recently confirmed again by the Supreme Court in both Rasul v Bush and Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. I guess you don't bother to read the newspapers. Your comment about "enemy combatants" is also simply bullshit. US citizens do not "lose their rights". If they break the law they should be charged for their crimes, which is the essense of what habeas corpus is all about. A President who decrees that an individual or group of individuals is/are "enemy combatants" to be held indefinately without charge is violating the oath of office to protect and uphold the Consitution. He is unlawfully suspending their right to habeas corpus under Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution. I suspect the reason that you are so unconcerned about the attack by the Bush administration on the Constitution is because you are obviously completely clueless about what the Constitution says. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis Last edited by RickSp; Aug 7, 2006 at 07:31 pm. | |
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