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Old Aug 7, 2006, 02:34 am   #1 (permalink) (top)
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The Constitution in Crisis

John Conyers has slapped the Bush Administration across the mouth.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-c...i_b_26520.html
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Today, I am releasing the final version of my report, the "Constitution in Crisis." The report, which is some 350 pages in length and is supported by more than 1,400 footnotes, compiles the accumulated evidence that the Bush Administration has thumbed its nose at our nation's laws, and the Constitution itself.
Approximately 26 laws and regulations may have been violated by this Administration's misconduct...
We have seen so many transgressions by this Administration that it is easy to forget last week's scandal amid this week's new outrage. I am hopeful that compiling all of these events of the last few years will help wake all of us up to the gravity of these matters and the cumulative damage to our country.
Here's the report, accusing the Republican Congress of standing by while Bush tramples the Constitution. 350 pages of documentation of various crimes.
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/iraqrept2.html


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Old Aug 7, 2006, 09:01 am   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Thanks again, for verifying that if Dems take control of Congress, they will begin impeachment hearings against Bush. I doubt the US public wants to go through that process while we have troops in Afghan and Iraq. At least I hope they're not that dumb.

The consitution is fine.
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Old Aug 7, 2006, 09:29 am   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Two terms of rule by fiat in open defiance of half of the Bill of Rights, the rule of habeas corpus and most major international treaties should not go unpunished.

Of course, legality aside, we have a nation stuck in a needless quagmire in Iraq, terrorism is a greater threat today than ever, the Middle East is in flames, and the budget deficit is roaring along out of control. No wonder the war party hacks want us to focus on flag burning and gay marriage.


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Old Aug 7, 2006, 02:46 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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The right of habeus corpus has not been witheld from any American citizen. Foreign terrorists have no access to that right. US citizens fighting on the side of our enemies, whether in this war or in any other, have lost their rights and become enemy combatants. Your insane rhetoric has no bearing in reality.
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Old Aug 7, 2006, 03:10 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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The right of habeus corpus has not been witheld from any American citizen. Foreign terrorists have no access to that right. US citizens fighting on the side of our enemies, whether in this war or in any other, have lost their rights and become enemy combatants. Your insane rhetoric has no bearing in reality.
You lie. Allegations of treason do not strip Americans of constitutional rights.
The enemy is Washington, DC and its desire to concentrate all powers and prerogatives unto itself.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 2. This clause provides, "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

And yet Bush has done so: Jose Padilla was held without charges for three years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%...d_terrorist%29

Stop lying, dsanthony


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Old Aug 7, 2006, 03:43 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Bush has muffled people 19 times using State Secrets rulings.

"No crisis here pal, just carry on about your business before we have to unsheathe the MP5."


dsanthony, turn Fox network off.


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Old Aug 7, 2006, 05:17 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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The right of habeus corpus has not been witheld from any American citizen. Foreign terrorists have no access to that right. US citizens fighting on the side of our enemies, whether in this war or in any other, have lost their rights and become enemy combatants. Your insane rhetoric has no bearing in reality.
Insane rhetoric? You seem so damn proud of being uninformed.

The right of habeas corpus, the oldest of all rights, applies to anyone under US jurisdiction, not just US citizens. This was recently confirmed again by the Supreme Court in both Rasul v Bush and Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. I guess you don't bother to read the newspapers.

Your comment about "enemy combatants" is also simply bullshit. US citizens do not "lose their rights". If they break the law they should be charged for their crimes, which is the essense of what habeas corpus is all about. A President who decrees that an individual or group of individuals is/are "enemy combatants" to be held indefinately without charge is violating the oath of office to protect and uphold the Consitution. He is unlawfully suspending their right to habeas corpus under Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution.

I suspect the reason that you are so unconcerned about the attack by the Bush administration on the Constitution is because you are obviously completely clueless about what the Constitution says.


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