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Paavo · Apr 26, 2004, 12:22 pm

I saw a pretty interesting documentary about the political issues in Venezuela concerning Hugo Chavez and his opponents.
It made me wonder why I didn't know more about it.
To me, it seems as the truth hasn't been told about him - at least in "western" media.
Link to Alternet about the media issue.

What I ended up thinking after seeing the documentary was;
It seems logical that the US had something to do with the rise of the opposition. I'd like to hear from someone more into the issue.
(Google search with keywords "Hugo Chavez" and "CIA")

So what do you think? Just another attempt at an admin. -change in S.America by the US by proxy because of something as "typical" as oil and political reasons?

dotcoma · Apr 26, 2004, 12:59 pm

Interesting. Greg Palast is a bad@ss. I read an article not too long ago that Chavez says he has proof that he CIA was planning to down his plane while he was en route to Washington. He also alleges that the US government was behind the coup that ousted him for a short time. I don't like his links to Castro, but it's obvious that Washington is not happy with him. I'll need to do a little more research before I form an opinion.

Suburbanite · Apr 26, 2004, 01:05 pm

You alienate two S American leaders like America has done to Chavez and Castro and they are bound to keep each other’s company.

Gorgo · Apr 26, 2004, 02:36 pm

See Haiti for further information.

Osborn F Enready · Apr 26, 2004, 02:52 pm

Why don't more people recognize this is what I want to know?

Is the network media in this country doing that effective a job at disinformation in this country? After all, if Rush or O'Reilly didn't say it, it must be SPIN! (total, puking parodic sarcasm)

Osborn F Enready · Apr 26, 2004, 02:52 pm

By the way, good post Paavo, thanks.

dotcoma · Apr 26, 2004, 03:01 pm

Yes. I will have to go see the movie. It's playing at my local independent cinema.

Gorgo · Apr 26, 2004, 03:24 pm

Starring 'The Rock' as Aristide and Chris Rock as Colin Powell.

Gorgo · Apr 26, 2004, 03:28 pm

And Kid Rock as George Bush.

SVMc · Apr 26, 2004, 03:41 pm

Sitting outside the U.S. and having worked in S. America I've generally found it's easier to assume the CIA or the U.S.in some significant form has been involved in the overthrow of most leaders and imposition of many dictators in S. America.

For great research on this subject visit the Centre for Latin American and Caribbean Research (it's the largest one here)

CERLAC

Gorgo · Apr 26, 2004, 03:42 pm

Thanks. Not just Latin America, but certainly almost all of Latin America.

Yes, the corporate media is for the most part a State Department organ.

Catch 22 · Apr 26, 2004, 05:49 pm

yeah I remember a few years ago thinking chavez had been deposed for good and that he was a right wing authoritarian dictator. Then I read Palast's book and did a double take. Just goes to show ya how bad our media is when it comes to foreign policy.

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Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Why don't more people recognize this is what I want to know? Is the network media in this country doing that effective a job at disinformation in this country? After all, if Rush or O'Reilly didn't say it, it must be SPIN! (total, puking parodic sarcasm) Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

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Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	By the way, good post Paavo, thanks. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Apr 26, 2004, 03:41 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
SVMc Lazy Sniper Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 513	Sitting outside the U.S. and having worked in S. America I've generally found it's easier to assume the CIA or the U.S.in some significant form has been involved in the overthrow of most leaders and imposition of many dictators in S. America. For great research on this subject visit the Centre for Latin American and Caribbean Research (it's the largest one here) CERLAC Capitalism is: Man exploiting man. Socialism is the other way around.

Apr 26, 2004, 05:49 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Catch 22 Igneous Magma Posts: 374	yeah I remember a few years ago thinking chavez had been deposed for good and that he was a right wing authoritarian dictator. Then I read Palast's book and did a double take. Just goes to show ya how bad our media is when it comes to foreign policy. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered Martin Luther King Jr.

Apr 26, 2004, 12:22 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	I saw a pretty interesting documentary about the political issues in Venezuela concerning Hugo Chavez and his opponents. It made me wonder why I didn't know more about it. To me, it seems as the truth hasn't been told about him - at least in "western" media. Link to Alternet about the media issue. What I ended up thinking after seeing the documentary was; It seems logical that the US had something to do with the rise of the opposition. I'd like to hear from someone more into the issue. (Google search with keywords "Hugo Chavez" and "CIA") So what do you think? Just another attempt at an admin. -change in S.America by the US by proxy because of something as "typical" as oil and political reasons?

Apr 26, 2004, 12:59 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Interesting. Greg Palast is a bad@ss. I read an article not too long ago that Chavez says he has proof that he CIA was planning to down his plane while he was en route to Washington. He also alleges that the US government was behind the coup that ousted him for a short time. I don't like his links to Castro, but it's obvious that Washington is not happy with him. I'll need to do a little more research before I form an opinion.

Apr 26, 2004, 01:05 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	You alienate two S American leaders like America has done to Chavez and Castro and they are bound to keep each other’s company.

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Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	See Haiti for further information.

Apr 26, 2004, 03:01 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Yes. I will have to go see the movie. It's playing at my local independent cinema.

Apr 26, 2004, 03:24 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Starring 'The Rock' as Aristide and Chris Rock as Colin Powell.

Apr 26, 2004, 03:28 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	And Kid Rock as George Bush.

Apr 26, 2004, 03:42 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Thanks. Not just Latin America, but certainly almost all of Latin America. Yes, the corporate media is for the most part a State Department organ.