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Apr 26, 2004, 03:15 am

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bush banned these 'casket photos' and then used them in his political campaign advertisements. hypocritical, if you ask me.

Evil Baby · Apr 26, 2004, 03:41 am

did he use them before they surfaced on every newspaper in America or after? If it is after, as much as I dislike Bush I don't really blame him, just as I wouldn't blame Kerry for using those pics against him but I hope he doesn't. That would be hypocritical of him I believe seeing as he says he has so much respect for the soldier which I believe he does.

Apr 26, 2004, 05:49 am

In fairness to Bush, the images he used were of 911 victims, not the remains of US troops returning from abroad. The issue is about the coffins of troops.

Still, the Bush administration have milked 911 like a faithful old cow, which in my book, is quite disgusting. About as tasteful as selling the merchandising rights for the 911 tragedy to someone.

Impenitent · Apr 26, 2004, 11:33 am

hardly, 9-11 has not even been milked...
it needs to be used more to remind the left that without military strength, their utopia is 6 feet under

Evil Baby · Apr 26, 2004, 12:36 pm

yes because it was the military that fucked up and not the secret service and their intelligence

dotcoma · Apr 26, 2004, 12:48 pm

"Remind the left". Imp, you are smarter than this. That is one of the dumbest things you've said to date.

Apr 26, 2004, 12:53 pm

"hardly, 9-11 has not even been milked...
it needs to be used more to remind the left that without military strength, their utopia is 6 feet under"

au contraire, we have the largest military in the world, and the way we misuse it may have been the cause of this tragedy, rather than preventative medicine. your image of the left is offensive.

Osborn F Enready · Apr 26, 2004, 01:02 pm

Casket photos....

When will the partisan rhetoric end.

Justified war is heartwrenching, saddening, costly, inefficient, brutal, unfair and forever changes a person.

Unjustified war is chaos unleashed. It divides countries that started it, it divides the citizens, the soldiers, the politicians. It raises questions that before were never considered. It forces us to ackowledge that we ARE NOT always right, and we can be misguided, whether by intention or flaw. It brings patriots blood to boil, and party loyalists to defense.

Isn't it obvious.

We are being divided. By who? For what? What good can come of it?

War costs lives. Beliefs cost lives. Who justifies what battle should cost life? The war against corruption? The war against political subversion? The war against the American people, waged by the Executive Branch of government?

Our forefathers would already be in Washington, arms in hands, demanding these false leaders be cast out, or face the firing squad. Where have all the good men gone?

To stand up, may mean losing everything.

How plush is your prison?

Zeebadee · Apr 26, 2004, 01:05 pm

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...t_id=1000496221

Osborn F Enready · Apr 26, 2004, 01:10 pm

Why die in Iraq fighting for their government, when I may have to use my life defending my own liberty? When is too much too much? Nov 5th, when Bush is voted in again. I shudder to think of what will happen in this country if Bush wins. He must think he is the Anti-Christ, because he is sure working towards armageddon.

Apr 26, 2004, 01:19 pm

I haven't seen Bush's ads using the caskets yet. I would imagine he's using them to head off any negative ads Kerry might generate. Also, to head off any more negative press using the caskets. I don't like seeing them anywhere but, unfortunately, they're out there now and will be used as a political football. I hope the dead soldiers' family members don't mind.

Osborn F Enready · Apr 26, 2004, 01:21 pm

As much as I respect the soldiers, and military of this country I see NO reason why showing an "anonymous" casket as being offensive to anyone other than those who believe in the war.

Apr 26, 2004, 02:25 pm

very true. 1st ammendment protects such photography. why censor actual events except to bend the truth?

Impenitent · Apr 26, 2004, 03:47 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs,
"hardly, 9-11 has not even been milked...
it needs to be used more to remind the left that without military strength, their utopia is 6 feet under"

au contraire, we have the largest military in the world, and the way we misuse it may have been the cause of this tragedy, rather than preventative medicine. your image of the left is offensive.

:rolleyes: THEFT via taxes is offensive... misuse the military?!? like in bosnia or haiti?

Apr 26, 2004, 04:49 pm

i'm sorry you don't want to perform your civic duty by contributing taxes and giving charitably to the poor, or by helping to design the economy so the poor are not quite so shafted and have greater opportunity to make something of their existence without first being born on 3rd base or economically raping other people and companies.

yes, keeping aristide in power was erroneous. and bosnia was not truly America's responsibility. if you are assuming that i am a democrat or that i support every shit that drops from a democratic ass you are mistaken.

Young · Apr 26, 2004, 06:00 pm

I doubt We should expect any less from Bush & his cronnies. This comes from the same Man who expects You to not understand that he was involved in Enron. If he wasn't then why is it that when Bush owned the Rangers the New ballpark was Named "Enron field"? Why are the minutes of Cheney Energy meetings private? Why are none of the Enron employees in jail?

Young

Impenitent · Apr 27, 2004, 12:13 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs,
i'm sorry you don't want to perform your civic duty

:rolleyes: DUTY yep... when all crime is controlled perfectly by the government, then perhaps, one has a duty... ask immanuel about duty, he's an idiot as well

by contributing taxes and giving charitably to the poor,

:rolleyes: GIVING?!? mandated THEFT via taxes is NOT charity... get a clue!

or by helping to design the economy so the poor are not quite so shafted and have greater opportunity

:rolleyes: in the us they have more opportunity than anywhere on the planet! you are preaching equal outcomes... there is a huge difference...

to make something of their existence without first being born on 3rd base or economically raping other people and companies.

yes, keeping aristide in power was erroneous. and bosnia was not truly America's responsibility. if you are assuming that i am a democrat or that i support every shit that drops from a democratic ass you are mistaken.

:rolleyes: good to know you are not a member of the party of the impeached liar... your plans for socialist utopia are doomed because human nature doesn't work like you hope...

PatrickHenry · Apr 27, 2004, 12:28 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Young,
I doubt We should expect any less from Bush & his cronnies. This comes from the same Man who expects You to not understand that he was involved in Enron. If he wasn't then why is it that when Bush owned the Rangers the New ballpark was Named "Enron field"? Why are the minutes of Cheney Energy meetings private? Why are none of the Enron employees in jail?

Young

Sorry, young. You should really do the research before posting. Enron Field was in Houston. The ball club was the Astros. A great stadium BTW.
http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/spe...nron/index.html

However, what you say about Bush, corporate fraud and cronyism has merit:
http://www.cursor.org/enronfield.htm
Excerpt from The Nation:

Quote:

Episode by episode, none of the Bushes' Enron involvement seems to be illegal. Before 2000-01, moreover, the ties weren't overwhelming in any one national administration. However, the only way that a chronicler can seriously weigh the Enron-Bush tie is by a yardstick the American press has never really employed: the unseemliness of a sixteen- or seventeen-year interaction by the members of an American political dynasty in promoting and being rewarded by a single US corporation based in its home state.

Why isn't W getting reamed by these stories? Maybe because of the distraction of US troopers coming home in boxes every day from a land that despises their presence? How can we focus on fraud when our sons are blasted, maimed and dying?

Apr 27, 2004, 01:08 am

imp, i am still not sure why you have beef with the income tax and why you think social services are bull. theft? when exactly is theft occuring, and where is the money going that you would not like it to?

Impenitent · Apr 27, 2004, 11:40 am

taxes are theft... social services are bullshit 40 years of lbj's war on poverty? more and more and more money wasted on poverty programs and what does it get you? MORE FUCKING POVERTY THAN EVER

socialism and social spending DO NOT WORK

keep your hand out of my pocket

Apr 26, 2004, 11:33 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	hardly, 9-11 has not even been milked... it needs to be used more to remind the left that without military strength, their utopia is 6 feet under "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Apr 26, 2004, 01:02 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Casket photos.... When will the partisan rhetoric end. Justified war is heartwrenching, saddening, costly, inefficient, brutal, unfair and forever changes a person. Unjustified war is chaos unleashed. It divides countries that started it, it divides the citizens, the soldiers, the politicians. It raises questions that before were never considered. It forces us to ackowledge that we ARE NOT always right, and we can be misguided, whether by intention or flaw. It brings patriots blood to boil, and party loyalists to defense. Isn't it obvious. We are being divided. By who? For what? What good can come of it? War costs lives. Beliefs cost lives. Who justifies what battle should cost life? The war against corruption? The war against political subversion? The war against the American people, waged by the Executive Branch of government? Our forefathers would already be in Washington, arms in hands, demanding these false leaders be cast out, or face the firing squad. Where have all the good men gone? To stand up, may mean losing everything. How plush is your prison? Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Apr 26, 2004, 01:05 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Zeebadee Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,713	http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...t_id=1000496221 "Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen

Apr 26, 2004, 01:10 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Why die in Iraq fighting for their government, when I may have to use my life defending my own liberty? When is too much too much? Nov 5th, when Bush is voted in again. I shudder to think of what will happen in this country if Bush wins. He must think he is the Anti-Christ, because he is sure working towards armageddon. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Apr 26, 2004, 01:21 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	As much as I respect the soldiers, and military of this country I see NO reason why showing an "anonymous" casket as being offensive to anyone other than those who believe in the war. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Apr 26, 2004, 03:15 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Bob_Dobbs Guest Posts: n/a	www.disinfo.com bush banned these 'casket photos' and then used them in his political campaign advertisements. hypocritical, if you ask me.

Apr 26, 2004, 03:41 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Evil Baby Igneous Magma Posts: 313	did he use them before they surfaced on every newspaper in America or after? If it is after, as much as I dislike Bush I don't really blame him, just as I wouldn't blame Kerry for using those pics against him but I hope he doesn't. That would be hypocritical of him I believe seeing as he says he has so much respect for the soldier which I believe he does.

Apr 26, 2004, 05:49 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
PeterWolf Guest Posts: n/a	In fairness to Bush, the images he used were of 911 victims, not the remains of US troops returning from abroad. The issue is about the coffins of troops. Still, the Bush administration have milked 911 like a faithful old cow, which in my book, is quite disgusting. About as tasteful as selling the merchandising rights for the 911 tragedy to someone.

Apr 26, 2004, 12:36 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Evil Baby Igneous Magma Posts: 313	yes because it was the military that fucked up and not the secret service and their intelligence

Apr 26, 2004, 12:48 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	"Remind the left". Imp, you are smarter than this. That is one of the dumbest things you've said to date.

Apr 26, 2004, 12:53 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Bob_Dobbs Guest Posts: n/a	"hardly, 9-11 has not even been milked... it needs to be used more to remind the left that without military strength, their utopia is 6 feet under" au contraire, we have the largest military in the world, and the way we misuse it may have been the cause of this tragedy, rather than preventative medicine. your image of the left is offensive.

Apr 26, 2004, 01:19 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	I haven't seen Bush's ads using the caskets yet. I would imagine he's using them to head off any negative ads Kerry might generate. Also, to head off any more negative press using the caskets. I don't like seeing them anywhere but, unfortunately, they're out there now and will be used as a political football. I hope the dead soldiers' family members don't mind.

Apr 26, 2004, 02:25 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Bob_Dobbs Guest Posts: n/a	very true. 1st ammendment protects such photography. why censor actual events except to bend the truth?

Apr 26, 2004, 04:49 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Bob_Dobbs Guest Posts: n/a	i'm sorry you don't want to perform your civic duty by contributing taxes and giving charitably to the poor, or by helping to design the economy so the poor are not quite so shafted and have greater opportunity to make something of their existence without first being born on 3rd base or economically raping other people and companies. yes, keeping aristide in power was erroneous. and bosnia was not truly America's responsibility. if you are assuming that i am a democrat or that i support every shit that drops from a democratic ass you are mistaken.

Apr 26, 2004, 06:00 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Young Hot Lava Location: western NC Posts: 1,088	I doubt We should expect any less from Bush & his cronnies. This comes from the same Man who expects You to not understand that he was involved in Enron. If he wasn't then why is it that when Bush owned the Rangers the New ballpark was Named "Enron field"? Why are the minutes of Cheney Energy meetings private? Why are none of the Enron employees in jail? Young Young I guess all we've got Left......are these darned "Internets"

Apr 27, 2004, 01:08 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
Bob_Dobbs Guest Posts: n/a	imp, i am still not sure why you have beef with the income tax and why you think social services are bull. theft? when exactly is theft occuring, and where is the money going that you would not like it to?

Apr 27, 2004, 11:40 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	taxes are theft... social services are bullshit 40 years of lbj's war on poverty? more and more and more money wasted on poverty programs and what does it get you? MORE FUCKING POVERTY THAN EVER socialism and social spending DO NOT WORK keep your hand out of my pocket "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...