The philosophy of Liberty

[Osborn F Enready]

I challenge anyone who disputes Libertarian ideals, to view this small educational animation, that is about 3rd grade level.

Are there disputes to its message?

What are they?

How is this, and its core ideals NOT expressed by the Libertarian platform?

What do you disagree with, and why?

Link to the mainpage:
http://digg.com/politics/The_Philosophy_of_Liberty

Direct link to the Flash animation:
http://www.libertarian.to/images/ani...ty-english.swf


Comments welcome from those who watch the animation.

[Morgan_Freeman]

Lol... you do this every 6 months or so...

[Osborn F Enready]

I know, but there are new people everyday, and regulars who have changed their mind.

Waking up is a slow process, and when media deals in repetitive daily barrages against common sense, I think every 6 months for a retort is a sign of my intrest in being civil.

The thing that irritates me the most is when people act like I am trying to sell them something, when I am simply reminding them that they own themselves, as I do myself. Not a corporation, or a government, or a state, or a society.

[Morgan_Freeman]

I know what you mean... when I tell people that the Libertarian Party stands for "Liberty!", they usually say something like... "well, that's kind of vague...". People no longer understand what liberty means, or hold it as a value.

[Osborn F Enready]

Morgan Freeman said: I know what you mean... when I tell people that the Libertarian Party stands for "Liberty!", they usually say something like... "well, that's kind of vague...".

I say:
I agree. I run into this all the time, and it is because people have been "conditioned" to think they must trade liberty for certain types of security, even knowing most times when government is involved, the security is simply perceived, not actual security.

Morgan Freeman said: People no longer understand what liberty means, or hold it as a value.

I say:
Much like the rich asshole born with too much money that no longer values it, Americans are liberty rich assholes born into liberty that no longer value it.

Most Americans are born under a lie of pretense, a story of facts that don't add up when laid out in a cohesive timeline as they are claimed and taught.

For Example:
I was born in 1972. When I was schooled and educated, we were taught about American History, American Government, and told that our forefathers had died for us to have the rights we have in the BOR. They make it seem as though now that the words are on paper in the Constitution, no call could ever be made to defend those rights once again, as if they were "untouchable" by mortal mans folly through government. They didn't even question the motive of government, once created, nor the ability of that government to be taken over by the evils of party, and mob mentality that Washington so clearly warned of. The facts bear differently. Men of government with claimed good intention, and claimed noble intrests have curtailed, limited and put conditions on all rights that pertain to man, the individual, in the BOR. This alone bears fact that those rights are not untouchable, and are indeed very weak when viewed only as a paper tiger, with no men to stand behind the words. This is why I contend this myth as taught, since liberty of the individual is under constant threat by socialists and authoritarians, and the shape of those enemies come in many forms from corporation to individuals with no foresight of their own logics path, or those who are swept away with only the intrests of human compassion.

Well, I say it is a false reassurance, to say that those men in the revolution died for US as we are today. Those men died for their loved ones, and those they KNEW, and of course any children their living loved ones might bear. They died because deep down they knew every personal sacrfice they made for revolution, would be paid ten times over to them by allowing them choice in their own destiny, as individuals in life an property. No forced tithe for the church, no forced taxation to be spent on lands unseen, no taxation without representation, no Kings who are untouchable, no Kings tyranny. This was these men placing their lives on the line so that logic could prevail over dogma, complacency and the notion that mans destiny is predesigned. They were giving to themselves, and their children, the opprotunity to live as THEY saw fit, with respect only to individuals who were equal to them with respect to the bounds of nature, hence the reference to "Natures God".

Their death was tragic, especially when simply measuring what they were fighting for.....liberty of the individual, against other individuals who used a collective to project their force. I think it is safe to say that those were truly the times that tried mens souls, and that is why those times bore some of the greatest minds in our history. If neccessity is the mother of invention, then the father of invention surely is the "incentive" of man, the individual. Liberty of the individual, with rights to property are the only way to insure that incentive, drive and purpose of mans being.

What is life worth? I think the answer to that is what is liberty worth, since they have equal value.

Once you remove liberty, life has no value, except to the holder of that life. To me, that means that liberty must also be worth life, of the holder.

It is like beautiful math, reduced to its root equation, its barest simplicity of expression.

So, to your statement in which you said people no longer understand what liberty means, or hold it as a value. I have to agree that many may currently hold that view, and as sure as the sun will shine I can tell you that I will not let the folly of blind fools control my destiny by not valuing what they have, until they lose it.

The time for reasonable men to stand against the voice of blind aggression is now, and we are the pivot point of all mankinds future I believe. What could happen if the World were united under a government police state, with armies that made Rome in its prime seem like toy soldiers, with armies that make our most modern and well equipped forces seem "outdated"?

It is time for great men to ponder our great problems, and finally, step to the front to lead those who are able to see the truth, and willing of free will to take the great risk which is to speak truth to power, and not submit without exhausting every option possible, including force, if compliance with evil is the only other option.

If the adults and kids of today don't learn, the kids of tomorrow won't be able to.

[dsanthony]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I challenge anyone who disputes Libertarian ideals, to view this small educational animation, that is about 3rd grade level. Are there disputes to its message? What are they? How is this, and its core ideals NOT expressed by the Libertarian platform? What do you disagree with, and why? Link to the mainpage: http://digg.com/politics/The_Philosophy_of_Liberty Direct link to the Flash animation: http://www.libertarian.to/images/ani...ty-english.swf Comments welcome from those who watch the animation.

These type of posts are spam. They're equivalent to LDS missionaries or Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on my door to "share some information" with me.

Present the info yourself and let people respond if they choose.

[Osborn F Enready]

dsanthony said: Present the info yourself and let people respond if they choose.

I say:
I did, so if you don't wish to debate, don't post in this thread. Is that too much responsibility for you?