Islamic Facists Want Spain!

[GHook93]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=2242357

"It is a Jihad for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails … from Spain to Iraq," al-Zawahri said. "We will attack everywhere." Spain was controlled by Arab Muslims until they were driven from power at the turn of the 16th century.

Did Spain call a truce with Al Qaeda? Did they secom to the terrorist threat and pull out of Iraq? Why are they targeted then? Because Al Qaeda and the rest of the Islamic Facists are interested in nothing less than world domination.

[tinybear]

Spain to Iraq, eh? That's not that extensive. I thought they were aiming at a global Islamic empire.

As for Spain, it only goes to show it's futile to give in to terrorists hoping they'll leave you alone!!!

[GHook93]

Quote by: tinybear Spain to Iraq, eh? That's not that extensive. I thought they were aiming at a global Islamic empire. As for Spain, it only goes to show it's futile to give in to terrorists hoping they'll leave you alone!!!

Please that is all he mentioned. They want a single islamic empire around the globe. I am not stating all Muslims want this, I am talking about Islamic fundamentalist such Al Qaeda.

[phoenix_fire]

Gee, Brain. What're we going to do tonight?

C'mon guys. This stuff shouldn't surprise anyone any more. Just your copperplate blather from megalomaniacs-R-us.

[G. Adams]

Or it could be that Spain was one part of the Islamic world, and they want it back. I know another group of people who make spurious historical claims to land in order to justify murder.

[Nono]

Quote by: GH Islamic Facists Want Spain!

I thought this was the Breaking News forum. This is news?

Spain was the jewel of the Islamic empire. They finally got kicked out by a Christian revival. Sure the fascists want it back. I'm sure Mexico would like Texas, etc. back as well. Big deal.

[shrike]

Quote by: nono I thought this was the Breaking News forum. This is news? Spain was the jewel of the Islamic empire. They finally got kicked out by a Christian revival. Sure the fascists want it back. I'm sure Mexico would like Texas, etc. back as well. Big deal.

The Problems that Mexicans don't want to take over the world Muslims(not all of them) do and they say it openly.

[G. Adams]

Quote by: shrike The Problems that Mexicans don't want to take over the world Muslims(not all of them) do and they say it openly.

Ya, Mexicans don't comprise a religion. I havn't heard the Turks make such a grand statement as taking over Spain, let alone the world. As such, your contrast is a poor one. It would be more appropriate to compare Islam to Christianity. That would of course change the nature of your post, because as a universalist religion it also wants everyone's souls.

[ise]

Quote by: shrike The Problems that Mexicans don't want to take over the world Muslims(not all of them) do and they say it openly.

And I thought it was the Israelites.(and Boney M) No, it must have been the Zionists. A friend of mine says that it's the Yanks again. Someone else thinks it's the Celtic Tiger. I'm betting on the Brits. They need somewhere to retire Tony and let Charles practice being King.

Then there's a dangerous crowd that "want to take over the world" for their god, who is due back. The welcome the end of the world lot. Personally, I'd settle for Bill back. And I don't want his other half Hillary. Anyway, I don't think cowboy george will leave in 2008, not peacefully anyway. He don't worry about no rules.

I'm sorry, but I cannot take this thread seriously. :( I cannot see the source of any as the originator is on my non-buddy list or my peace-of-mind list, as I call it. Anyone who expects this topic to be taken seriously is either a fool or a comic. :confused:

Nono I thought this was the Breaking News forum. This is news? Spain was the jewel of the Islamic empire.

Yes, Moorish Spain was a bright shining jewel. In the European Dark Ages it was the centre of civilization. That was back when you still had natives and buffalo in the Americas.

[RickSp]

What I find so funny about all this nonsense is that the right wing always projects their own desires on their enemies. "The Islamic Fascists are interested in nothing less than world domination." Swap out the "Islamic Fascist" label with "neocon" and the statement remains true. The crusader and the jihadi are basically the same.

[GHook93]

Quote by: RickSp What I find so funny about all this nonsense is that the right wing always projects their own desires on their enemies. "The Islamic Fascists are interested in nothing less than world domination." Swap out the "Islamic Fascist" label with "neocon" and the statement remains true. The crusader and the jihadi are basically the same.

Basically the point of the thread is to show you can't deal with Al Qaeda. They are blinded by hate and nothing but a bullet will change their minds. Compromising with them leads to nothing.

Spain is a country that secomed to Al Qaeda: (1) They elected the anti-Iraq candidate and (2) Completely pulled out of Iraq. Yet Al Qaeda is now making speech about Spain becoming part of their great Islamic empire.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: G. Adams Ya, Mexicans don't comprise a religion. I havn't heard the Turks make such a grand statement as taking over Spain, let alone the world. As such, your contrast is a poor one. It would be more appropriate to compare Islam to Christianity. That would of course change the nature of your post, because as a universalist religion it also wants everyone's souls.

That too would be a poor comparison as the adherents of Christianity are more of a heterogenous nature. There is no ancestral geographical turf to take back since, far more than Islam and Judaism, Christians originate from all over the world.

[RickSp]

Quote by: GHook93 Basically the point of the thread is to show you can't deal with Al Qaeda. They are blinded by hate and nothing but a bullet will change their minds. Compromising with them leads to nothing. Spain is a country that secomed to Al Qaeda: (1) They elected the anti-Iraq candidate and (2) Completely pulled out of Iraq. Yet Al Qaeda is now making speech about Spain becoming part of their great Islamic empire.

AlQaeda? I remember them. They are the terrorists that George Bush let get away because he was more interested in starting a needless war in Iraq than in going after the folks who actually attacked us. OF course the US occupation of Iraq is a great gift to AlQaeda. Rather than crushing them as he should have, Bush created a whole new terrorist training round for Bin Laden.

The canard that Spain capitulated to AlQaeda only to attacked is a neocon distortion which ignores the basic facts. Spain never "secomed" (was succumbed the word you were looking for?) to AlQaeda. It's people by a significant margin voted to end their support for King George's illegal war. The war in Iraq had nothing to do with AlQaeda.

As others have pointed out, Spain has deep historical ties to Islam. Which has nothing to do with the non-argument over whether or not AlQaeda should be "dealt with". No one has argued for negotiating with AlQaeda.

[G. Adams]

Quote by: phoenix_fire That too would be a poor comparison as the adherents of Christianity are more of a heterogenous nature. There is no ancestral geographical turf to take back since, far more than Islam and Judaism, Christians originate from all over the world.

Indeed, Christianity is a Universalist religion. Which is why it is dangerous. A folkish religion, like Shinto or Asatru, couldn't give a crap about converting people, as they consider it as part of their nations own culture. Christianity on the other hand, just as with Islam, see's their truth as universal and wants everyone to believe in it. If Islam really was simply tied to a region, or range of countries, then you wouldn't hear all these calls for Islam to take over the world.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: G. Adams Indeed, Christianity is a Universalist religion. Which is why it is dangerous. A folkish religion, like Shinto or Asatru, couldn't give a crap about converting people, as they consider it as part of their nations own culture. Christianity on the other hand, just as with Islam, see's their truth as universal and wants everyone to believe in it. If Islam really was simply tied to a region, or range of countries, then you wouldn't hear all these calls for Islam to take over the world.

That's not entirely accurate. Christianity has been rule by consent for a very long time now. It gains ground by convincing people that it is right. Islam, however, is linked to a specific race that is not interested in diversifying. Their extremists want a military take-over, not a spiritual one. They figure the most efficient way to get everyone to agree with their religion is at the business end of an AK-47. They could be (and have been) paralleled to the Crusaders. The rub is, however, that Christianity got over that centuries ago when you were more likely to die of poor hygiene on the way to the Holy Land than of a Saracen sword. It is a much more serious situation now, and the world has no patience for nuclear-backed posturing.

[Matt W]

Islam, however, is linked to a specific race that is not interested in diversifying.

Inaccurate. Iranians are Persians, for starters. What exactly would you call Pakistanis, Somalians, Sudanese, Malaysians, and Indonesians? Arabs? Perhaps not....

[phoenix_fire]

Perhaps I should have been more careful in my qualifiers. Does "little interested" work for you? Point: these people became such through historic conquest.

[RickSp]

Easy Manichean generalizations are always wrong and usually uniformed.

There is nothing racial about Islam and the religion was spread largely peacefully. The largest Islamic populations are non-Arab. I wouldn't be surprised if Arabs are a minority among Muslims. There are almost as many Muslims in Russia as in Saudi Arabia, for example. A partial list:

Non-Arab
Indonesia - 213,469,356 Muslims
India - 174,755,562 Muslims
Pakistan - 162,487,489 Muslims
Bangledesh - 122,313,242 Muslims
Iran - 67,337,681 Muslims
Nigeria - 64,385,994 Muslims

Arab
Saudi Arabia 26,417,599 Muslims
Iraq 25,292,658 Muslims
Syria 16,234,901 Muslims
Jordon 5,471,745 Muslims


Referring to Islam as racial is wrong as is generalizing about Islam based on Bin Laden's Wahabiism or Khomehni's radical Shi'aism.

Likewise, claiming that Christianity is a religion ruled by "consent" completely ignores history.

[Tony Clifton]

let them have Spain --- Spain already gave themselves up anyway --- they deserve to be over-taken by islamic-extremists --- if you aren't willing to fight then you deserve what your oppressors give you.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: RickSp Easy Manichean generalizations are always wrong and usually uniformed. There is nothing racial about Islam and the religion was spread largely peacefully. The largest Islamic populations are non-Arab. I wouldn't be surprised if Arabs are a minority among Muslims. There are almost as many Muslims in Russia as in Saudi Arabia, for example. A partial list: Non-Arab Indonesia - 213,469,356 Muslims India - 174,755,562 Muslims Pakistan - 162,487,489 Muslims Bangledesh - 122,313,242 Muslims Iran - 67,337,681 Muslims Nigeria - 64,385,994 Muslims Arab Saudi Arabia 26,417,599 Muslims Iraq 25,292,658 Muslims Syria 16,234,901 Muslims Jordon 5,471,745 Muslims Referring to Islam as racial is wrong as is generalizing about Islam based on Bin Laden's Wahabiism or Khomehni's radical Shi'aism. Likewise, claiming that Christianity is a religion ruled by "consent" completely ignores history.

Mmmmm...context clues: I did mention a past that was less than that, but the present (and recent past) are very much different than the picture you would paint. They are not nearly the same and don't even try to say that they are.