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Section 8 · Sep 28, 2003, 01:38 pm

Horrible and disturbing figures about what sanctions do to the populace. These figures are for Iraq.

http://english.aljazeera.net/Special+Repor...r+Sanctions.htm

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RebelWithanAK · Sep 28, 2003, 06:14 pm

You need only look to Cuba to understand that sanctions don't make the people angry at their leader. Sanctions make the people angry at whoever imposed the sanctions. It's the largest international relations flop America's come up with, and we're too stubborn to realize that it IS a flop.

Downwiththestereotype · Sep 30, 2003, 06:33 am

Intrestingly this was not the case during tha apartite sanctions in South Africa. The Black is SA had put up with so much mysery and suffering that they were prepeared to put up with the sunctions making there lives more missereble for a short time becuase they new in the long run (as did happen) the appartide would end.

If done properly, sanctions can acheive there desired goal. Providing the population is understanding.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Oct 6, 2003, 12:50 am

I do not think that South Africa could be called "understanding", they have become no better than the tyrants they displaced...

Fallen Angel · Oct 8, 2003, 01:21 am

Quote:

Originally posted by GreatWyrm of Babylon@10-06-2003 12:50 AM
I do not think that South Africa could be called "understanding", they have become no better than the tyrants they displaced...

Just a different coloured bunch of tyrant's.

Section 8 · Oct 9, 2003, 01:36 am

Oh well, after the US established the new government, we turned a blind eye to their problems. We thought bombing another country was much more important.

Section 8 · Oct 12, 2003, 02:05 am

The worst are the sanctions on Cuba. Here's what the US use the sanctions for; to indoctrinate citizens on communism. They say that, if your communist then you'll be poor and live in poverty. Cuba has a horrible standard of living because of the sanctions. Millions are dying just to keep the rich in power.

castille · Oct 15, 2003, 08:00 am

Section 8: So why doesnt the US sanction China? They're also teaching their kids to become Communists.

Cuba should be happy the US has sanctioned them. Trade is very evil (under Communist eyes), and thus its a chance for Fidel to show how Communism can create self-sufficient socialist paradise.

Also, Fidel has never admitted his people suffered any poverty. Cuba's official poverty rate is only 0.1% (in Fidel's records).

G. Adams · Oct 15, 2003, 08:55 am

[quote=castille,]Section 8: So why doesnt the US sanction China? They're also teaching their kids to become Communists.[quote]

Because China isn't actually communist, its just authoritarian. And as we all know, the US has no problem with authoritarian governments as long as they play along with America. And right now China has a labour market that the US wants to tap into.

redhood · Oct 15, 2003, 10:15 am

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Section 8: So why doesnt the US sanction China? They're also teaching their kids to become Communists.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

As G. Adams has said, China is authoriation/totalitarian and is an upcoming market that the US is eaglerly looking forward to investing in.

China's economy will undoubtly become the largest in the world as they are the second largest against the US. China doubles about every decade. As of now the growth rate is averaging 7 per cent a year and the WTO further boosts to its trade and its economy. Adding 1 percentage point a year to China's potential rate of economic growth over this decade. On its present trajectory, it should overtake America in size some time in the 2020s. China has been pursuing a strategy of export-oriented growth. And get this: manufactured goods account for 90 per cent of China's exports. Its exports are dominated by simpler, labour- intensive goods such as clothing, footwear, toys, sporting, etc. The mechandise US companies are buying for cheap labor. The US has everything to gain and little to lose from China's rise as a global manufacturing powerhouse. The US supports China with a few American cultured commodities for the growing economy for the continued exports. While this isnt the MiddleEast and the issue of oil isnt at hand but that of labour, something we cant sanction, bomb and steal, we need workers to produce the goods. So why sanction your foreign workers that make some large percentage of US commerce ?

Sep 28, 2003, 06:14 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	You need only look to Cuba to understand that sanctions don't make the people angry at their leader. Sanctions make the people angry at whoever imposed the sanctions. It's the largest international relations flop America's come up with, and we're too stubborn to realize that it IS a flop. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Sep 30, 2003, 06:33 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Downwiththestereotype Molten Ash Location: somwhere in the UK Posts: 38	Intrestingly this was not the case during tha apartite sanctions in South Africa. The Black is SA had put up with so much mysery and suffering that they were prepeared to put up with the sunctions making there lives more missereble for a short time becuase they new in the long run (as did happen) the appartide would end. If done properly, sanctions can acheive there desired goal. Providing the population is understanding. Fear is your only god. Downwiththestereotype.

Oct 15, 2003, 08:00 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Section 8: So why doesnt the US sanction China? They're also teaching their kids to become Communists. Cuba should be happy the US has sanctioned them. Trade is very evil (under Communist eyes), and thus its a chance for Fidel to show how Communism can create self-sufficient socialist paradise. Also, Fidel has never admitted his people suffered any poverty. Cuba's official poverty rate is only 0.1% (in Fidel's records). Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Oct 15, 2003, 08:55 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	[quote=castille,]Section 8: So why doesnt the US sanction China? They're also teaching their kids to become Communists.[quote] Because China isn't actually communist, its just authoritarian. And as we all know, the US has no problem with authoritarian governments as long as they play along with America. And right now China has a labour market that the US wants to tap into. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Sep 28, 2003, 01:38 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Horrible and disturbing figures about what sanctions do to the populace. These figures are for Iraq. http://english.aljazeera.net/Special+Repor...r+Sanctions.htm Have Fun Shalom

Oct 6, 2003, 12:50 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	I do not think that South Africa could be called "understanding", they have become no better than the tyrants they displaced...

Oct 9, 2003, 01:36 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Oh well, after the US established the new government, we turned a blind eye to their problems. We thought bombing another country was much more important.

Oct 12, 2003, 02:05 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	The worst are the sanctions on Cuba. Here's what the US use the sanctions for; to indoctrinate citizens on communism. They say that, if your communist then you'll be poor and live in poverty. Cuba has a horrible standard of living because of the sanctions. Millions are dying just to keep the rich in power.

Oct 15, 2003, 10:15 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
redhood Sedimentary Rock Posts: 2	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) Section 8: So why doesnt the US sanction China? They're also teaching their kids to become Communists.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> As G. Adams has said, China is authoriation/totalitarian and is an upcoming market that the US is eaglerly looking forward to investing in. China's economy will undoubtly become the largest in the world as they are the second largest against the US. China doubles about every decade. As of now the growth rate is averaging 7 per cent a year and the WTO further boosts to its trade and its economy. Adding 1 percentage point a year to China's potential rate of economic growth over this decade. On its present trajectory, it should overtake America in size some time in the 2020s. China has been pursuing a strategy of export-oriented growth. And get this: manufactured goods account for 90 per cent of China's exports. Its exports are dominated by simpler, labour- intensive goods such as clothing, footwear, toys, sporting, etc. The mechandise US companies are buying for cheap labor. The US has everything to gain and little to lose from China's rise as a global manufacturing powerhouse. The US supports China with a few American cultured commodities for the growing economy for the continued exports. While this isnt the MiddleEast and the issue of oil isnt at hand but that of labour, something we cant sanction, bomb and steal, we need workers to produce the goods. So why sanction your foreign workers that make some large percentage of US commerce ?