House votes Pro-Israel 410-8

[SoccerfreakAB2]

The House of Representatives voted for the Israelis to "protect" themselves and for the Pro-Israel stance. Can anyone believe that Israel is on the defense?? I can't believe we are this controlled by the Jewish lobbyists...

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 The House of Representatives voted for the Israelis to "protect" themselves and for the Pro-Israel stance. Can anyone believe that Israel is on the defense?? I can't believe we are this controlled by the Jewish lobbyists...

They are our allies, and most of the ME isn't.

I believe they are defending their land, and if they don't they will be dust in the wind. They are surrounded by enemies.

They had no defense during the Holocaust, and look what happened. They will never let that happen again, and I don't blame them.

[The Thinker]

The UN is useless and a waste of money when they just allow the Israelis kill and destroy civilians in Lebanon. My heart goes out for the Lebanese stuck there being killed by the Israeli monsters.

[bishop]

the initial response was defensive, but now the israelis are clearly on the offensive.. whether that's a good thing or bad is debatable..

this resolution, though, shows just how much house republicans are political/diplomatic amateurs.. they like to make waves with their worthless resolutions, and all it serves to do is further polarize the muslim world against us - and validate all of their prejudices of u.s. support for israel..

we would have continued to support israel via economic/military aid with or without this dumbassed resolution.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe They are our allies, and most of the ME isn't. I believe they are defending their land, and if they don't they will be dust in the wind. They are surrounded by enemies. They had no defense during the Holocaust, and look what happened. They will never let that happen again, and I don't blame them.

Two soldiers were taken captive by guerrillas. Tell me what the Lebanese people did to deserve an invasion?? Have you been to Lebanon? They are strongly Muslim, but mostly very receptive of Americans. Your apparent push for war and a continuing Israeli offense won't win Israel any friends. No wonder they have so many enemies...

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: bishop the initial response was defensive, but now the israelis are clearly on the offensive.. whether that's a good thing or bad is debatable.. this resolution, though, shows just how much house republicans are political/diplomatic amateurs.. they like to make waves with their worthless resolutions, and all it serves to do is further polarize the muslim world against us - and validate all of their prejudices of u.s. support for israel.. we would have continued to support israel via economic/military aid with or without this dumbassed resolution.

Since this offensive is a first move to start a war, it's obviouisly a bad thing...hands down. Since this offensive could spark a massive war including the whole Middle East shows the naivety of our own government and stupidty of our leaders.

[bishop]

yup.. i just like to call them amateurs because that one word encapsulates much about what's wrong with these retards..

this resolution doesn't help us any way whatsoever.. like you suggested - it merely stirs the pot towards our involvement in another war..

i'm sure that in a short matter of time, they'll also pass legislation focused on syria and iran. just stirring the pot a little bit more.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 The House of Representatives voted for the Israelis to "protect" themselves and for the Pro-Israel stance. Can anyone believe that Israel is on the defense?? I can't believe we are this controlled by the Jewish lobbyists...

You are that uninformed, yes!

Look up Resolutions 1559 and 1680.
Israel withdrew from Lebanon 6 ago years ago in exchange for Hezbollah disarming themselves and turning over the southern border to Lebanon, not for them to be vastly increasing the missile stashes, digging bunkers for a war, or occasionally lobbing missiles for Iran for fun every so often or to stay armed.

Hezbollah and Lebanon has been in violation of Resolutions for 6 years and instead of disarming, they would occasional toss a bomb over at Israel and most recently violate their border to attack troops and take a few hostages.
These hostilities were probably orchestrated by Iran who finances them to take the Nuclear issue off the table for the G8 summit.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica You are that uninformed, yes! Look up Resolutions 1559 and 1680. Israel withdrew from Lebanon 6 ago years ago in exchange for Hezbollah disarming themselves and turning over the southern border to Lebanon, not for them to be vastly increasing the missile stashes, digging bunkers for a war, or occasionally lobbing missiles for Iran for fun every so often or to stay armed. Hezbollah and Lebanon has been in violation of Resolutions for 6 years and instead of disarming, they would occasional toss a bomb over at Israel and most recently violate their border to attack troops and take a few hostages. These hostilities were probably orchestrated by Iran who finances them to take the Nuclear issue off the table for the G8 summit.

Lebanon has not increased their missle stashes...or else you would have seen much more destruction in the past week. The only Lebanese attacks are guerrilla offenses; and these attacks are not orchestrated by the Lebanese government nor the government of Iran. Make all the silly guesses you want, but you need to face the fact that Israel is leading the invasion into Lebanon over two missing soldiers. That makes a lot of sense...kill hundreds of people over two missing soldiers...

[dsanthony]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 The House of Representatives voted for the Israelis to "protect" themselves and for the Pro-Israel stance. Can anyone believe that Israel is on the defense?? I can't believe we are this controlled by the Jewish lobbyists...

Does anyone know who the 8 were who voted against Israel? I'm curious to know...

[dsanthony]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 Quote by: GodBlessAmerica You are that uninformed, yes! Look up Resolutions 1559 and 1680. Israel withdrew from Lebanon 6 ago years ago in exchange for Hezbollah disarming themselves and turning over the southern border to Lebanon, not for them to be vastly increasing the missile stashes, digging bunkers for a war, or occasionally lobbing missiles for Iran for fun every so often or to stay armed. Hezbollah and Lebanon has been in violation of Resolutions for 6 years and instead of disarming, they would occasional toss a bomb over at Israel and most recently violate their border to attack troops and take a few hostages. These hostilities were probably orchestrated by Iran who finances them to take the Nuclear issue off the table for the G8 summit. Lebanon has not increased their missle stashes...or else you would have seen much more destruction in the past week. The only Lebanese attacks are guerrilla offenses; and these attacks are not orchestrated by the Lebanese government nor the government of Iran. Make all the silly guesses you want, but you need to face the fact that Israel is leading the invasion into Lebanon over two missing soldiers. That makes a lot of sense...kill hundreds of people over two missing soldiers...

You're making the mistake of confusing Lebanon with Hezbollah. They are distinct and different entities.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: dsanthony Does anyone know who the 8 were who voted against Israel? I'm curious to know...

I know 3 were from Michigan. You can check it out on Foxnews.com

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: dsanthony You're making the mistake of confusing Lebanon with Hezbollah. They are distinct and different entities.

That's why I said the attacks were not orchestrated by the Lebanese government; they were Hezbollah guerrillas.

[GHook93]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 The House of Representatives voted for the Israelis to "protect" themselves and for the Pro-Israel stance. Can anyone believe that Israel is on the defense?? I can't believe we are this controlled by the Jewish lobbyists...

It is funny how everyone things a group that makes up less than 1% of the population runs the country.

The reason they voted to stand behind Israel is because we can't stand terrorist and that is exactly what Hezbollah is!!!

[rez]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 Lebanon has not increased their missle stashes...or else you would have seen much more destruction in the past week. The only Lebanese attacks are guerrilla offenses; and these attacks are not orchestrated by the Lebanese government nor the government of Iran. Make all the silly guesses you want, but you need to face the fact that Israel is leading the invasion into Lebanon over two missing soldiers. That makes a lot of sense...kill hundreds of people over two missing soldiers...

I thought Hezbullah had a stronger army then the Lebanese, therefore, Lebanon can not do much to control the terrorists within their country.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: rez I thought Hezbullah had a stronger army then the Lebanese, therefore, Lebanon can not do much to control the terrorists within their country.

Ironically, Hezbollah was created in the 70's after Israel had already invaded Lebanon to go after terrorists. After decimating the country (like right now), the Israelis just pulled right out and thus began suicide bombing and even more terrorism. It has nothing to do with Lebanon and the executive body of Lebanon whatsoever. Israel just like making more problems by continuous invading and destroying. The cycle never ends.

[GHook93]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 Ironically, Hezbollah was created in the 70's after Israel had already invaded Lebanon to go after terrorists. After decimating the country (like right now), the Israelis just pulled right out and thus began suicide bombing and even more terrorism. It has nothing to do with Lebanon and the executive body of Lebanon whatsoever. Israel just like making more problems by continuous invading and destroying. The cycle never ends.

Simplistic way to put it. It is like saying a rape victim is a murder who happens to kill her attacker.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: GHook93 It is funny how everyone things a group that makes up less than 1% of the population runs the country. The reason they voted to stand behind Israel is because we can't stand terrorist and that is exactly what Hezbollah is!!!

Let's let the facts speak for themselves:

Clinton's cabinet with Jews...

Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State
Robert Rubin, Secretary of Treasury
William Cohen, Secretary of Defense
Dan Glickman, Secretary of Agriculture
George Tenet, CIA Chief
Louis Freeh, FBI Chief
Samuel Berger, Head National Security Council
Evelyn Lieberman, Deputy Chief of Staff
Stuart Eizenstat, Under Secy. of State
Charlene Barshefsky, U.S. Trade Representative
Susan Thomases, Aide to First Lady
Joel Klein, Asst. Attorney General
Gene Sperling, Nat'l Economic Council
Ira Magaziner, National Health Care
Peter Tarnoff, Deputy Secy. of State
Alice Rivlin, Ecomomic Advisory
Janet Yellen, Chairwoman--Nat'l Economic Council
Rahm Emanuel, Policy Advisor
Doug Sosnik, Counsel to President
Jim Steinberg, Deputy to National Security Chief
Jay Footlik, Special Liason to the Jewish Community (no other group has a special liason)
Robert Nash, Personal Chief
Jane Sherburne, President's Lawyer
Mark Penn, Asia Expert to NEC
Sandy Kristoff, Health Care Chief
Robert Boorstin, Communications Aide
Keith Boykin, Communications Aide
Jeff Eller, Special Asst. to Clinton
Tom Epstein, Health Care Adviser
Judith Feder, Nat'l Security Council
Richard Feinberg, Asst. Secy. Veterans
Hershel Gober, Food and Drug Admin.
Steve Kessler, White House Counsel
Ron Klein, Asst. Secy. Education
Madeleine Kunin, Communications Aide
David Kusnet, Dept. AIDS Program
Margaret Hamburg, Dir. Press Conferences
Many Grunwald, Liason to Jew Leaders
Karen Adler, Dir. State Dept. Policy
Samuel Lewis, Nat'l Security Council
Stanley Ross, Nat'l Security Council
Dan Schifter, Director Peace Corps.
Eli Segal, Deputy Chief of Staff
David W. Carey, CIA Executive Director
Dr. Ruth David, CIA Deputy Dir--Science & Technology

Jews in House of Reps

Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.)
Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.)*
Howard Berman (D-Calif.)
Benjamin Cardin (D-Md.)
Peter Deutsch (D-Fla.)
Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.)
Bob Filner (D-Calif.)
Barney Frank (D-Mass.)
Martin Frost (D-Texas)
Sam Gejdensen (D-Conn.)
Benjamin Gilman (R-N.Y.)
Tom Lantos (D-Calif.)
Sander Levin (D-Mich.)
Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.)
Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.)
Steve Rothman (D-N.J.)
Bernard Sanders (I-Vt.)
Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.)*
Brad Sherman (D-Calif.)
Norman Sisisky (D-Va.)
Henry Waxman (D-Calif.)
Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.)*
Robert Wexler (D-Fla.)

...then the Senate...

Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.)*
Russell Feingold (D-Wisc.)*
Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)
Herb Kohl (D-Wisc.)
Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.)
Carl Levin (D-Mich.)
Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.)
Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.)*
Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)*
Paul Wellstone (D-Minn.)
Ron Wyden (D-Ore.)*

Bush's Cabinet Jews...

Ari Fleischer (2001-2003) White House Press Secretary
Josh Bolten Deputy Chief of Staff
Ken Melman White House Political Director
David Frum (2001-2002) Speechwriter
Brad Blakeman White House Director of Scheduling
Dov Zakheim (2001-2004) Undersecretary of Defense (Controller)
Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Secretary of Defense
I. Lewis Libby Chief of Staff to the Vice President
Adam Goldman (2001-2003) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Tevi Troy (2003-2004) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Noam Neusner (2004-) White House Liaison to the Jewish Community
Chris Gersten Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS
Elliott Abrams Director of the National Security Council's Office for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations
Mark D. Weinberg Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs
Douglas Feith (2001- ) Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Michael Chertoff Head of the Justice Department's criminal division
Daniel Kurtzer Ambassador to Israel
Cliff Sobel Ambassador to the Netherlands
Stuart Bernstein Ambassador to Denmark
Nancy Brinker Ambassador to Hungary
Frank Lavin Ambassador to Singapore
Ron Weiser Ambassador to Slovakia
Mel Sembler Ambassador to Italy
Martin Silverstein Ambassador to Uruguay
Jay Lefkowitz (2001-2004) Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council
Blake Gottesman President's personal aide
John Miller Director, State Department Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons
Michael Chertoff Secretary, Homeland Security

There you have it. The facts. The facts you love to overlook. This is how a minority group of 1 percent of the US can take a massive amount of the Bush and Clinton administrations, can take over 10 percent of the Senate, and can take over 5 percent of the House of Reps.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Quote by: GHook93 Simplistic way to put it. It is like saying a rape victim is a murder who happens to kill her attacker.

That makes no sense...

[GHook93]

Quote by: SoccerfreakAB2 That makes no sense...

Here is the point. Israel invaded because they were attacked (much like our justifable invasion of Afganistan), but then you condemn Israel for defending herself. And don't just say it is about the soldiers, because everyone knows it isn't about that. The captured soldiers were an excuse. Hezbollah has been unjustifiable shooting rockets into Israel and the Lebanonese government hasn't stopped it (much because they didn't have the military power to stop it). Israel had to take the situation into their own hands. I will admit their methods are to say the least controversial, but what can be expected.

America had a similar situation with Mexico. Paco Villa crossed the border and saced an American town, killing a dozen or so Americans. America sent a battilion into Mexico after him. This was less than 100 years ago.