Is Bush cozying up to blacks?

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: CliveStaples You do know why he's speaking there, right? The 1965 civil rights/voting act is going to be renewed. I'm not surprised that Bush would take the time to address the NAACP, considering its previous involvement in actually crusading for equal rights.

So Bush is speaking there because the law is coming up for renewal. Since the NAACP has nothing to do with this law being renewed the only reason he would speak to the group is purely political. I thought you didn't care about "playing politics".

[CliveStaples]

Quote by: Scribbler1 So Bush is speaking there because the law is coming up for renewal. Since the NAACP has nothing to do with this law being renewed the only reason he would speak to the group is purely political. I thought you didn't care about "playing politics".

Hmm. He couldn't possibly want to talk about how influential the NAACP was in getting it passed, thank them for their efforts, and talk about how to deal with racial relations in the new era? Nope, it has to be some political maneuver.

[Scribbler1]

Now you're catching on. Bush is a politician. You might like him but it doesn't make him any less a politician. If he wasn't a phony bullshit artist he would never have gotten elected.

Don't forget, traditionally, blacks in general aren't big fans of Bush or his party.

"In recent years, Republicans have tried to chip away at Democrats'long dominance of the black vote; Democrat John Kerry captured nearly 90 percent of the vote in 2004. Democrats have fought back to keep a critical part of their base."(Emphasis mine)
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Jul...Rights,00.html

[underbear1]

Bush and his Repugs in Congress have suceeded in PO'ing Hispanics, Blacks, Gays, Pro- Choice Women, Neo Cons over Iran, Fiscal Conservatives..........so all he has left to vote for his members of Congress this fall are the Christian Reich, unfortunately pandering to those creeps scares the hell out of the rest of the country, just look back to Pat Buchanan's speech about cultural wars when he competed against Bush 41 at the GOP convention. The same amount of folks who loved Buchanan is all Republicans will muster this fall, and there will be a Democrat Congress.

[dsanthony]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Quote by: dsanthony Why would he speak to a political group which has marked itself as his enemy? Grow up. He didn't speak at the Democratic Convention either. He did speak several times at non-political black organizations. Racists always blame others for the repercussions of their actions. You might have a valid point if he continued to avoid the NAACP. He didn't and you don't.

You obviously do not follow the news, and are ill-informed. The NAACP has a new president who has been vocal in saying that blacks need to lose the "victim mentality" which has kept them impoverished and self-destructive, and who has been more open to Bush and the Republican Party (though obviously not supportive)... Bush clearly stated that the new leadership and message of the NAACP is what encouraged him to make the visit.

You should not confuse brittle speech with informed or even witty rhetoric. Read more.

[Scribbler1]

And it has nothing to do with the GOP being in danger of losing to the Democrats this year.
I recognize Gordon is new blood in the outfit and support some of what he says, but just because Bush said this was the only reason he went isn't enough. Bush says a LOT of things.

You like Bush and you believe him. That's your business and I see it differently.

[GodBlessAmerica]

I think the President went to let those blacks with an open mind know he and the Republican party are indeed open to them.
I think this was also to set up the 2008 Presidential run for whoever the Republican candidate will be.
Even though the NAACP is a racist organization, it would be unfair for the President to make the choices to ignore them for the 2008 candidate. That will be that candidate's choice.

Republicans want all American's to prosper, I only wish that during his speech that the part about education was greeted by blacks with more than a smattering of applauds.
That seemed to not interest them and their lack of interest in that area is a big problem for many at this time.

[dsanthony]

Quote by: underbear1 Bush and his Repugs in Congress have suceeded in PO'ing Hispanics, Blacks, Gays, Pro- Choice Women, Neo Cons over Iran, Fiscal Conservatives..........so all he has left to vote for his members of Congress this fall are the Christian Reich, unfortunately pandering to those creeps scares the hell out of the rest of the country, just look back to Pat Buchanan's speech about cultural wars when he competed against Bush 41 at the GOP convention. The same amount of folks who loved Buchanan is all Republicans will muster this fall, and there will be a Democrat Congress.

You've just explained the reason Reps have taken control of Congress for the last decade, and have won 7 of 10 presidential elections since 1968. Dems have set up a cultural war with Gays, (Unreasonable and victim-minded) minorities, feminists and the usual socialist left against... who? Oh, middle class white and minority americans. You just can't/won't realize that the majority of Americans disagree with your ACLU, anti-defense agenda. Even in this thread, one of you showed what you really think of blacks... they are exactly the "conservative christians" you despise--except you pander to their dysfunction to keep them voting as Democrats, even against their own best interests.

The Dem party under FDR, Truman and LBJ did speak for working class Americans. In the 60's, the Dem party was hijacked by academics and socialists with a radical agenda directly opposed by the large majority of Americans. And you prove it every day on this forum. Americans prove it every year at the polls...

You have to keep alive the "victim" mentality of blacks, hispanics, gays. For all your talk of "color blind society", YOU have to keep alive the divisions and play race politics to maintain the 45% of the voting block you have now...

[underbear1]

You expect Progressives to me color blind, and we know Bush and his Republicans are JUST BLIND,,,,,,,,,,,,,and dumb, did I mention DUMB?

[dsanthony]

Quote by: underbear1 You expect Progressives to me color blind, and we know Bush and his Republicans are JUST BLIND,,,,,,,,,,,,,and dumb, did I mention DUMB?

What you didn't mention was a single point I raised. Libs rarely can argue a point... they have no intellectual foundation.

[underbear1]

the 45% of the voting block you have now

compared to the 27% approval Bush has, (in the latest Wisconsin poll), 45% is a comfortable majority.
Take a look at Kathrine Harris race in Florida, Tom Delay in TX, and you could have looked at Ralph Reed but Abramoff's little cell-mate already LOST!

[Jack]

Why do so many threads dissolve into unsupportable and useless generalizations? The last 2 posts (written before the above response) are without useful content. You both might as well be spamming the forum.

What's the real world difference between a "victim mentality" and being an actual victim of laws that discriminate and oppress? Are christians accused of having a victim mentality when they complain about laws they consider discriminatory?

[dsanthony]

Quote by: Isherwood Why do so many threads dissolve into unsupportable and useless generalizations? The last 2 posts (written before the above response) are without useful content. You both might as well be spamming the forum. What's the real world difference between a "victim mentality" and being an actual victim of laws that discriminate and oppress? Are christians accused of having a victim mentality when they complain about laws they consider discriminatory?

My post was a response to his vaccuous post, and an invitation to respond to the points I raised. I invite you to do the same.

No, being a "victim" is not the same as having a victim mentality. First, I absolutely reject the idea that there are laws or practices which victimize blacks. Again, you're looking half a century in the past to keep alive the victim mentality. Irish, Chinese, Germans... about every race or ethnic group has faced hostility and discrimination. Only blacks NEED that feeling of victimiation to give them a political advantage. Being cruely treated does not necessarily create a victim mentality. Inner strenghth, character and resolve keep one's personality/culture strong.

Whether in Africa or here, Blacks often lack the resolve/skills to compete in the modern world. Look at the cry to stop genocide/starvation/AIDS in Africa. Look at the inner cities of the US. Fact is, blacks, only a hundred years ago, lived in stone age tribes. While European and Asian cultures have evolved over millenia, black cultures did not. The problem blacks have in the modern world are not the result of racism, but of a primitive psychological/social structure. That is also the reason which so many blacks (even felons) cling to the idea of Christianity. While Christianity is itself a medieval structure, it gives them a grip on ideas and principles they can follow in the modern world.

Black culture is the US is dysfunctional. Dems "enable" blacks to remain in their dysfunctional lifestyles. Constantly blaming others for your problems is a typical alcoholic symptom. Only when blacks take responsiblility for their lives will they lose the victim mentality and become full participants in our democratic and capitalist systems. Whenever a black does that (or even calls for others to do that), they are attacked as "uncle toms". That's true whether its a Rep like Condi Rice, or a Dem like Bill Cosby.

The ONLY solution to black cultural dysfunction is black responsibility. Tough love, not enabling, is what blacks need.

[underbear1]

Quote by: dsanthony Quote by: Isherwood Why do so many threads dissolve into unsupportable and useless generalizations? The last 2 posts (written before the above response) are without useful content. You both might as well be spamming the forum. What's the real world difference between a "victim mentality" and being an actual victim of laws that discriminate and oppress? Are christians accused of having a victim mentality when they complain about laws they consider discriminatory? My post was a response to his vaccuous post, and an invitation to respond to the points I raised. I invite you to do the same. No, being a "victim" is not the same as having a victim mentality. First, I absolutely reject the idea that there are laws or practices which victimize blacks. Again, you're looking half a century in the past to keep alive the victim mentality. Irish, Chinese, Germans... about every race or ethnic group has faced hostility and discrimination. Only blacks NEED that feeling of victimiation to give them a political advantage. Being cruely treated does not necessarily create a victim mentality. Inner strenghth, character and resolve keep one's personality/culture strong. Whether in Africa or here, Blacks often lack the resolve/skills to compete in the modern world. Look at the cry to stop genocide/starvation/AIDS in Africa. Look at the inner cities of the US. Fact is, blacks, only a hundred years ago, lived in stone age tribes. While European and Asian cultures have evolved over millenia, black cultures did not. The problem blacks have in the modern world are not the result of racism, but of a primitive psychological/social structure. That is also the reason which so many blacks (even felons) cling to the idea of Christianity. While Christianity is itself a medieval structure, it gives them a grip on ideas and principles they can follow in the modern world. Black culture is the US is dysfunctional. Dems "enable" blacks to remain in their dysfunctional lifestyles. Constantly blaming others for your problems is a typical alcoholic symptom. Only when blacks take responsiblility for their lives will they lose the victim mentality and become full participants in our democratic and capitalist systems. Whenever a black does that (or even calls for others to do that), they are attacked as "uncle toms". That's true whether its a Rep like Condi Rice, or a Dem like Bill Cosby. The ONLY solution to black cultural dysfunction is black responsibility. Tough love, not enabling, is what blacks need.

What a crock of sh*t



I guess Egypt, Ethiopian Jews, and Moors were stone age cultures, learn some History before you make yourself look more retarded.

[dsanthony]

Quote by: underbear1 Quote by: dsanthony Quote by: Isherwood Why do so many threads dissolve into unsupportable and useless generalizations? The last 2 posts (written before the above response) are without useful content. You both might as well be spamming the forum. What's the real world difference between a "victim mentality" and being an actual victim of laws that discriminate and oppress? Are christians accused of having a victim mentality when they complain about laws they consider discriminatory? My post was a response to his vaccuous post, and an invitation to respond to the points I raised. I invite you to do the same. No, being a "victim" is not the same as having a victim mentality. First, I absolutely reject the idea that there are laws or practices which victimize blacks. Again, you're looking half a century in the past to keep alive the victim mentality. Irish, Chinese, Germans... about every race or ethnic group has faced hostility and discrimination. Only blacks NEED that feeling of victimiation to give them a political advantage. Being cruely treated does not necessarily create a victim mentality. Inner strenghth, character and resolve keep one's personality/culture strong. Whether in Africa or here, Blacks often lack the resolve/skills to compete in the modern world. Look at the cry to stop genocide/starvation/AIDS in Africa. Look at the inner cities of the US. Fact is, blacks, only a hundred years ago, lived in stone age tribes. While European and Asian cultures have evolved over millenia, black cultures did not. The problem blacks have in the modern world are not the result of racism, but of a primitive psychological/social structure. That is also the reason which so many blacks (even felons) cling to the idea of Christianity. While Christianity is itself a medieval structure, it gives them a grip on ideas and principles they can follow in the modern world. Black culture is the US is dysfunctional. Dems "enable" blacks to remain in their dysfunctional lifestyles. Constantly blaming others for your problems is a typical alcoholic symptom. Only when blacks take responsiblility for their lives will they lose the victim mentality and become full participants in our democratic and capitalist systems. Whenever a black does that (or even calls for others to do that), they are attacked as "uncle toms". That's true whether its a Rep like Condi Rice, or a Dem like Bill Cosby. The ONLY solution to black cultural dysfunction is black responsibility. Tough love, not enabling, is what blacks need. What a crock of sh*t I guess Egypt, Ethiopian Jews, and Moors were stone age cultures, learn some History before you make yourself look more retarded.

Egypt's golden age was what? Three thousand, five thousand years ago? Yes, the Egyptians invented toilet paper? So what?

The Moors, Egyptians and Ethopian Jews had largely middle eastern, not african cultures. Even taking them as an example, they are/were primitive compared to the Europeans who encountered them during the age of discovery. And, they were a small minority of the vast African population, clinging (notably) on the northern edge of Africa--where influences from the Middle East were strong.

Again, you cannot counter my arguments, and launch into slogans.

[underbear1]

Egypt launched Greek culture
http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/na...s/uc16469.html
Kouros is the ancient Greek term for a statue of a standing young man, generally depicted naked. It was used in Archaic Greece as both a dedication to the gods in sanctuaries and temples and as a tomb monument. The standard kouros stood with his left foot forward, arms at his sides and looking straight ahead. Kouroi belong to the earliest examples of monumental Greek sculpture. The similarity of these statues to Egyptian statues is striking. This close relation seems especially clear in this example, with kilt and hair in Egyptian style.
, and fed and financed Alexander and Rome. So proving Blacks had well established sophisticated society long before most of what we date European or Western culture knocks a big hole in your premise they were in the stone age 100 years ago. Moors were known in Shakespeare's day, and Ethiopean Jews date back as old as Judism itself.
You also seem to be missing large gaps of American History as well as World History. It was illegal to teach slaves to read, it was also forbidden that they could speak their native languages, or religions. How much of your culture would have survived 200 years of that treatment? Add another 100 years of Blacks being unable to attend the superior white schools, and red lined by realitors from buying homes in better white neighborhoods.

[dsanthony]

Quote by: underbear1 Egypt launched Greek culture http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/na...s/uc16469.html Kouros is the ancient Greek term for a statue of a standing young man, generally depicted naked. It was used in Archaic Greece as both a dedication to the gods in sanctuaries and temples and as a tomb monument. The standard kouros stood with his left foot forward, arms at his sides and looking straight ahead. Kouroi belong to the earliest examples of monumental Greek sculpture. The similarity of these statues to Egyptian statues is striking. This close relation seems especially clear in this example, with kilt and hair in Egyptian style. , and fed and financed Alexander and Rome. So proving Blacks had well established sophisticated society long before most of what we date European or Western culture knocks a big hole in your premise they were in the stone age 100 years ago. Moors were known in Shakespeare's day, and Ethiopean Jews date back as old as Judism itself. You also seem to be missing large gaps of American History as well as World History. It was illegal to teach slaves to read, it was also forbidden that they could speak their native languages, or religions. How much of your culture would have survived 200 years of that treatment? Add another 100 years of Blacks being unable to attend the superior white schools, and red lined by realitors from buying homes in better white neighborhoods.

Who is talking about what happened in the ancient world? I'm not. It's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Again, you're using small populations (again, northern African tribes with strong middle eastern influences) to ignore the fact that the vast majority of Africa was people by stone age tribesmen. This is boring. If you have anything relevant to add, please do so.

[Protostar]

underbear1 and dsanthony, please get back on topic.

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[CliveStaples]

Quote by: underbear1 the Christian Reich

lol

Yup, there's an EVIL Christian group out there looking to DOMINATE THE WORLD! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[dsanthony]

Quote by: samsara15 If so, good for him. It's time the GOP paid some attention to black people. For far too long, they have used ignored the political interests of black people and used them as their whipping boys. It is my hope that the rest of the GOP does so, aw well. The Democrats coming victory in November can be ameliorated if the GOP can get a few more black votes. However, even a victory in November cannot hide forever the failure of the Bush presidency. History will eventually have its day, and the sham of Conservative infallibility revealed for what it is.

It is a lie that Bush and the Repubs have ignored blacks or are against blacks.