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GodBlessAmerica · Jul 19, 2006, 02:26 pm

Adult stem cells cure 72 diseases, but none are claimed for embryonic stem cells.

At least half of America agreed with the President here because they wanted to take the cells from babies that were killed. (abortions)

Bush said we are not going to turn human beings into commodities.

Your thoughts please.

THINKING before engaging the keyboard would be nice!
Have at it. :-)

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 19, 2006, 02:30 pm

The President, referring to the children present at the ceremony, all of whom were adopted as embryos and now living in loving families:

"These boys and girls are not spare parts.

"They remind us of what is lost when embryos are destroyed in the name of research."

grandpa · Jul 19, 2006, 03:00 pm

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The President, referring to the children present at the ceremony,
all of whom were adopted as embryos and now living
in loving families: "These boys and girls are not spare
parts.
"They remind us of what is lost when embryos are
destroyed in the name of research."

These children are also expendable to Bush in the name of Patriotism (once they reach a certain age). Although children in this country and this world should be free from the terror of cults, they will not be.

Grandpa h.

PatrickHenry · Jul 19, 2006, 03:35 pm

IVF excess embryos are still thrown away, to no good purpose.

Who will put a stop to that? (Irony)

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 19, 2006, 03:51 pm

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These children are also expendable to Bush in the name of Patriotism (once they reach a certain age). Although children in this country and this world should be free from the terror of cults, they will not be.

Grandpa h.

I unlike you would not have our people offer their heads to terrorists as payment.
Thanks, but no thanks for your thoughts.

**Pooeypants** · Jul 19, 2006, 03:53 pm

Please refrain from posting unnecessary images. This is a debate forum, not a propaganda machine.

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 19, 2006, 04:01 pm

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Please refrain from posting unnecessary images. This is a debate forum, not a propaganda machine.

They are very nessisary for Grandpa H who doesn't know why America finds itself in war.

He claims that American children that make it past an abortion in the United States are sent to war for no reason by President Bush.

We all know that is wrong, just had to show our good military deeds and reasons to Grandpa...

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 19, 2006, 04:05 pm

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IVF excess embryos are still thrown away, to no good purpose.

Who will put a stop to that? (Irony)

Hopefully the courts will turn that over some day to the people to vote on themselves regarding abortion. By the courts forcing a decision on the people rather than letting them vote, lots of needless anger has erupted over this issue that could have been avoided IMO.

Zhavric · Jul 19, 2006, 04:16 pm

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THINKING before engaging the keyboard would be nice!
Have at it. :-)

Too bad that didn't happen here.

Let me tell you (again) what Bu$h did.

The stem cells that could be being used to help the soldiers he needlessly paralyzed by sending into harm's way in Iraq without a plan, clue, or proper armor are now going to go back into coolers until they decompose from too long spent in the cold.

The myth that embryonic stem cell research has anything to do with cells that will eventually become people is perpetuated solely by the ignorant right-wing. I don't see any of you people lining up your wives / daughters / sisters to be hosts for these poor wayward cells.

Please take the time to properly educate yourself on this subject.

Thanks.

underbear1 · Jul 19, 2006, 04:20 pm

If Bush thinks hiding behind babies while he does this filthy VETO helps him publicly he is dead WRONG! It adds insult to injury!

Let Bush explain how he is morally superior on this issue than some of his own party, like Frist, Hatch and Specter, and drag along those babies to each of their states to confront them with his STAGE PROPS!

I'd like to see him go speak with Michael J. Fox and Nancy Reagan with those babies in tow too!
I just sent a copy of this post to CNN and MSNBC.

underbear1 · Jul 19, 2006, 04:24 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13085442/#060718b

A tale of three stem cell bills
Ron Reagan

This week the Senate takes up the thorny issue of embryonic stem cell research. There are three bills on the table: one is legitimate; one is a political pose that manages to be both useless and malicious; the last is downright bizarre.

The second bill would shift funding to research on creating embryonic stem cells without the need for an embryo. At first glance, this might seem reasonable; it would end run some people’s ethical concerns. But no such science is likely to exist for decades – if ever – a long time to wait if you’re suffering from, say, Parkinson’s disease. The legislation is actually designed to starve real research of funding and provide cover for Republicans running for re-election.

The third bill, sponsored by Republicans Rick Santorum and Sam Brownback, would outlaw the practice of: “fetal farming” – harvesting fetuses for spare parts. Congressman Dave Wheldon of Florida has labeled this a “gruesome practice”. Indeed it would be if anyone anywhere had even the slightest intention of doing such a thing.
In fact, there is no such practice as fetal farming. The only people contemplating such demented weirdness are, apparently, Republican Senators. This is, purely and simply, a red herring meant to appeal to the Republican base. Like “partial birth abortion”, its primary function is to suggest that the conservative’s political opponents are irredeemably depraved.
Disturbing as it is to think that men like Santorum and Brownback actually fantasize dark scenarios like the harvesting of fetuses, it gets worse. Of the three bills – helpful; malicious; and bizarre – which one do you think President Bush has vowed to veto? But then, you knew that already? Didn’t you?

bishop · Jul 19, 2006, 04:28 pm

last time i checked, the majority of the public also supports stem cell research... bush's veto was merely a gift to the few remaining dead-enders who still support him (come hell or high water)..

the vote missed beating bush's veto by a whopping 4 votes.. depending on how the midterm elections turn out, bush might just be handed another embarassment when the new congress takes this issue up again.

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 19, 2006, 04:33 pm

I approve of stem cell research and nobody stopped it in the other areas where there was proved to be a benefit.

It is Embryonic Stem Cells they want here and that has ethic issues attached to it. Plus other research around the world has shown this to go nowhere.

To ask the people to fund things associated in any way with babies that have been killed in abortion does stir up a stew of issues.

**Pooeypants** · Jul 19, 2006, 04:44 pm

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They are very nessisary for Grandpa H who doesn't know why America finds itself in war.

He claims that American children that make it past an abortion in the United States are sent to war for no reason by President Bush.

We all know that is wrong, just had to show our good military deeds and reasons to Grandpa...

You can show propaganda to him in private messages. It will not be tolerated here.

**Pooeypants** · Jul 19, 2006, 04:44 pm

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I approve of stem cell research and nobody stopped it in the other areas where there was proved to be a benefit.

It is Embryonic Stem Cells they want here and that has ethic issues attached to it. Plus other research around the world has shown this to go nowhere.

To ask the people to fund things associated in any way with babies that have been killed in abortion does stir up a stew of issues.

These stem cell research have nothing to do with abortion. If they do then please cite the articles that state so and in full.

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 19, 2006, 05:00 pm

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Quote by: Zhavric

The stem cells that could be being used to help the soldiers he needlessly paralyzed by sending into harm's way in Iraq without a plan, clue, or proper armor are now going to go back into coolers until they decompose from too long spent in the cold.

The myth that embryonic stem cell research has anything to do with cells that will eventually become people is perpetuated solely by the ignorant right-wing. I don't see any of you people lining up your wives / daughters / sisters to be hosts for these poor wayward cells.

Please take the time to properly educate yourself on this subject.

Thanks.

There have been 72 cures made with adult stem cells and ZERO made with embriatic cells in research around the whole world, so it seems the Embrionic kids are a bust. There is just great hope with some that it would be a great deal.
The ethics issue surrounding it does make it controvercial.

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 19, 2006, 05:15 pm

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I approve of stem cell research and nobody stopped it in the other areas where there was proved to be a benefit.

It is Embryonic Stem Cells they want here and that has ethic issues attached to it. Plus other research around the world has shown this to go nowhere.

To ask the people to fund things associated in any way with babies that have been killed in abortion does stir up a stew of issues.

These stem cell research have nothing to do with abortion. If they do then please cite the articles that state so and in full.

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I approve of stem cell research and nobody stopped it in the other areas where there was proved to be a benefit.

It is Embryonic Stem Cells they want here and that has ethic issues attached to it. Plus other research around the world has shown this to go nowhere.

To ask the people to fund things associated in any way with babies that have been killed in abortion does stir up a stew of issues.

These stem cell research have nothing to do with abortion. If they do then please cite the articles that state so and in full.

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I approve of stem cell research and nobody stopped it in the other areas where there was proved to be a benefit.

It is Embryonic Stem Cells they want here and that has ethic issues attached to it. Plus other research around the world has shown this to go nowhere.

To ask the people to fund things associated in any way with babies that have been killed in abortion does stir up a stew of issues.

These stem cell research have nothing to do with abortion. If they do then please cite the articles that state so and in full.

Adult stem cells has produced tens of cures compared to the ZERO results from Embryonic Stem Cells.

The whole issue gets back to a big abortion debate. People feel this like abortion by destroying these cells.

Probably the issues of both abortion and embryonic stem cell research should be offered for the vote to the public on a national scale to relieve the stress on the nation all of this seems to cause.

**Pooeypants** · Jul 19, 2006, 06:19 pm

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Adult stem cells has produced tens of cures compared to the ZERO results from Embryonic Stem Cells.

Please cite your source for such a claim. Also, tell me why exactly is it that we want to use embryonic stem cells if Adult ones are just as useful as they are.

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The whole issue gets back to a big abortion debate. People feel this like abortion by destroying these cells.

Probably the issues of both abortion and embryonic stem cell research should be offered for the vote to the public on a national scale to relieve the stress on the nation all of this seems to cause.

No, you are dragging it into the abortion issue. It hasn't got anything to do with abortions. These eggs were removed by permission by woman for in vitro fertilisation or just mere donations. They do not grow inside a woman, no foetus is formed so all this talk of baby killing is merely ignorant/misleading rants.
If Stem cell research went on a national vote, I'm pretty sure that the law would pass as "Opinion polls suggest almost two-thirds of Americans support the research."
Source

**Pooeypants** · Jul 19, 2006, 06:20 pm

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There have been 72 cures made with adult stem cells and ZERO made with embriatic cells in research around the whole world, so it seems the Embrionic kids are a bust. There is just great hope with some that it would be a great deal.
The ethics issue surrounding it does make it controvercial.

I'm confused, the post following says 10 cures from adult stem cells. So are you contradicting yourself?
Do you actually have any idea what you're talking about? 'cause right now it seems you're pulling figures out of your arse.

Trotsky · Jul 21, 2006, 05:31 pm

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There have been 72 cures made with adult stem cells and ZERO made with embriatic cells in research around the whole world, so it seems the Embrionic kids are a bust. There is just great hope with some that it would be a great deal.
The ethics issue surrounding it does make it controvercial.

Ok I have access to a whole miriad of medical libaries, please give me an example of one of the 72 cures from adult stem cells please.

Jul 19, 2006, 02:26 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
GodBlessAmerica Look Stuff Up Posts: 810	The President used the Veto on Stem Cell Adult stem cells cure 72 diseases, but none are claimed for embryonic stem cells. At least half of America agreed with the President here because they wanted to take the cells from babies that were killed. (abortions) Bush said we are not going to turn human beings into commodities. Your thoughts please. THINKING before engaging the keyboard would be nice! Have at it. :-)

Jul 19, 2006, 03:35 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	IVF excess embryos are still thrown away, to no good purpose. Who will put a stop to that? (Irony) "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

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Jul 19, 2006, 04:28 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	last time i checked, the majority of the public also supports stem cell research... bush's veto was merely a gift to the few remaining dead-enders who still support him (come hell or high water).. the vote missed beating bush's veto by a whopping 4 votes.. depending on how the midterm elections turn out, bush might just be handed another embarassment when the new congress takes this issue up again. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jul 19, 2006, 02:30 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
GodBlessAmerica Look Stuff Up Posts: 810	The President, referring to the children present at the ceremony, all of whom were adopted as embryos and now living in loving families: "These boys and girls are not spare parts. "They remind us of what is lost when embryos are destroyed in the name of research."

Jul 19, 2006, 04:20 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	If Bush thinks hiding behind babies while he does this filthy VETO helps him publicly he is dead WRONG! It adds insult to injury! Let Bush explain how he is morally superior on this issue than some of his own party, like Frist, Hatch and Specter, and drag along those babies to each of their states to confront them with his STAGE PROPS! I'd like to see him go speak with Michael J. Fox and Nancy Reagan with those babies in tow too! I just sent a copy of this post to CNN and MSNBC.

Jul 19, 2006, 04:24 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13085442/#060718b A tale of three stem cell bills Ron Reagan This week the Senate takes up the thorny issue of embryonic stem cell research. There are three bills on the table: one is legitimate; one is a political pose that manages to be both useless and malicious; the last is downright bizarre. The second bill would shift funding to research on creating embryonic stem cells without the need for an embryo. At first glance, this might seem reasonable; it would end run some people’s ethical concerns. But no such science is likely to exist for decades – if ever – a long time to wait if you’re suffering from, say, Parkinson’s disease. The legislation is actually designed to starve real research of funding and provide cover for Republicans running for re-election. The third bill, sponsored by Republicans Rick Santorum and Sam Brownback, would outlaw the practice of: “fetal farming” – harvesting fetuses for spare parts. Congressman Dave Wheldon of Florida has labeled this a “gruesome practice”. Indeed it would be if anyone anywhere had even the slightest intention of doing such a thing. In fact, there is no such practice as fetal farming. The only people contemplating such demented weirdness are, apparently, Republican Senators. This is, purely and simply, a red herring meant to appeal to the Republican base. Like “partial birth abortion”, its primary function is to suggest that the conservative’s political opponents are irredeemably depraved. Disturbing as it is to think that men like Santorum and Brownback actually fantasize dark scenarios like the harvesting of fetuses, it gets worse. Of the three bills – helpful; malicious; and bizarre – which one do you think President Bush has vowed to veto? But then, you knew that already? Didn’t you?

Jul 19, 2006, 04:33 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
GodBlessAmerica Look Stuff Up Posts: 810	I approve of stem cell research and nobody stopped it in the other areas where there was proved to be a benefit. It is Embryonic Stem Cells they want here and that has ethic issues attached to it. Plus other research around the world has shown this to go nowhere. To ask the people to fund things associated in any way with babies that have been killed in abortion does stir up a stew of issues.