Murtha's followers: Marching toward defeat

[GodBlessAmerica]

Murtha's followers: Marching toward defeat

THOUGHTFUL Democrats living in the 1st Congressional District must have cringed upon reading their candidates' positions on Iraq in yesterday's Union Leader.

The position of the left-wing candidate, Carol Shea-Porter, was to flee and let what happens in Iraq happen. The establishment candidate, Rep. Jim Craig, did not even have a position.

All of this comes up as New Hampshire Democrats prepare for the arrival next Sunday of Rep. John Murtha, D-Penn., the decorated former Marine. Murtha favors immediate withdrawal. But the more he speaks the crazier his position becomes.

Last month he said he favored pulling troops out of Iraq and redeploying them to Okinawa. He said the South Pacific island more than 6,000 miles from Iraq could be the launching point whenever the United States needed to deploy quickly to the Middle East.

No matter how many medals Murtha earned in the service of his country, they are no replacement for good judgment. That is something Democrats considering whom to back in the primary ought to consider.

This is an excerpt.

The candidates sound like small children to me.

I feel sorry for the good Democrat voters who have only these extreme leftists running.

Seems the party has left them, and these folks represent more Socialist Europe than America.

Do you think all these voting Democrats will vote third party for 2006 and 2008?

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica No matter how many medals Murtha earned in the service of his country, they are no replacement for good judgment. That is something Democrats considering whom to back in the primary ought to consider.

I have a few seconds to spare, why don't you tell me what YOU have done in the service of your country? Why should I believe that you're better qualified to give us "good judgment"??

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: Zeebadee I have a few seconds to spare, why don't you tell me what YOU have done in the service of your country? Why should I believe that you're better qualified to give us "good judgment"??

Sure, I've volunteered many times in our city, and have personally turned in a group of Iranian terrorist to the FBI that were connected to a local mosque that were plotting to hit America. (they were arrested) :-)

But as far as the article is concerned Z it is the author talking about good judgment and I guess Murtha's touch of insanity.

Seems the poor Democrats in some areas have nothing but crackpots to vote for, I guess many will stay home, vote Republican or for the Green party again.

[underbear1]

yeah, a 5 deferment putz, a drunk coke-addict vanishing in Alabama, and a lard ass on the radio who got out of serving because of anal growths(Rush).........those are the folks you trust with our military decisions...........and Murtha's the crazy one?

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: underbear1 yeah, a 5 deferment putz, a drunk coke-addict vanishing in Alabama, and a lard ass on the radio who got out of serving because of anal growths(Rush).........those are the folks you trust with our military decisions...........and Murtha's the crazy one?

Yes, Murtha seems totally crazy.

[GodBlessAmerica]

We need the appropriate Murtha image here. LOL

[Sonart]

.

Here's crazy.

Daily death rate tops 100 in June, U.N. report says
Civilian killings set monthly record

--"An average of more than 100 civilians per day were killed in Iraq last month, the United Nations reported yesterday, registering what appears to be the highest official monthly tally of violent deaths since the fall of Baghdad."--

We're smack in the middle of a civil war, however you want to define it. General Casey desperately wants to starting removing troops from Iraq before our military begins breaking down any further.

U.S. commander predicts troop drawdown
Top general forecasts gradual withdrawal of troops in coming months

--"On the eve of President Bush’s summit on Iraq, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad predicted Sunday (June 11, 2006) that coalition troops will gradually move out of the country in the coming months. Gen. George Casey said he thinks it will be possible to withdraw some of the 130,000 U.S. forces in the months ahead as long as Iraq’s government and security forces make progress."--

How does anyone possibly reconcile the two headlines above? And Murtha's crazy???


.

[tivodan1116]

Yes, you have to be a little crazy to be brave enough to earn 2 Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star in a war. John Murtha earned his.

Ever wonder why the politicians that have actually been in a war are against it?

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: Sonart . Here's crazy. Daily death rate tops 100 in June, U.N. report says Civilian killings set monthly record --"An average of more than 100 civilians per day were killed in Iraq last month, the United Nations reported yesterday, registering what appears to be the highest official monthly tally of violent deaths since the fall of Baghdad."-- We're smack in the middle of a civil war, however you want to define it. General Casey desperately wants to starting removing troops from Iraq before our military begins breaking down any further. U.S. commander predicts troop drawdown Top general forecasts gradual withdrawal of troops in coming months --"On the eve of President Bush’s summit on Iraq, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad predicted Sunday (June 11, 2006) that coalition troops will gradually move out of the country in the coming months. Gen. George Casey said he thinks it will be possible to withdraw some of the 130,000 U.S. forces in the months ahead as long as Iraq’s government and security forces make progress."-- How does anyone possibly reconcile the two headlines above? And Murtha's crazy???

You are describing something you can find in the dictionary that is called WAR.
We lost 90,000 in WW2.

There is no freedom without sacrifice and there are a lot of insurgents looking to make trouble since their whole terrorist version of Islam is on the chopping block.

Murtha is stupid, you remove troops over time as the situation allows for it.
You never make deadlines that terrorists can wait out and you don't suggest we can operate from bases that make us travel 6000 miles by plane .
He's more than stupid, the guy seems insane.

[grandpa]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica You are describing something you can find in the dictionary that is called WAR. We lost 90,000 in WW2.

The fact that war exists does not qualify as justification for its existence, though you far rightists love to regurgitate such nonsense over and over again.

"Profiteer" is also in the dictionary, and I'm sure there are still people making money from what's going on.
Earlier in the century, Sen. Robert LaFollette called war
profiteers “enemies of democracy in the homeland.”

Grandpa h.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: tivodan1116 Yes, you have to be a little crazy to be brave enough to earn 2 Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star in a war. John Murtha earned his. Ever wonder why the politicians that have actually been in a war are against it?

Since that time, he seems to have declined greatly into senility and stupidity.

Timothy McVeigh who blew up the FBI building was a decorated veteran of the United States Army, having served in the Gulf War, where he was also awarded a Bronze Star Medal.
Does that make you back up his post military career activities as well?

You have to judge what people say on the merit of what is said, not judge it on good or bad past deeds.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: grandpa The fact that war exists does not qualify as justification for its existence, though you far rightists love to regurgitate such nonsense over and over again. Grandpa h.

Palestinians Get Saddam Charity Checks (Suicide Bomber Payments)

There was more than enough justification.

You don't have it at your very door thanks to the US military, so you feel nothing is going on for us to be there IMO.

[Sonart]

.

Quote by: GBA You are describing something you can find in the dictionary that is called WAR. We lost 90,000 in WW2.

Let's see... in WWII we were fighting a German military machine that had brutally invaded and conquered almost all of Europe, and a Japanese military machine that had brutally invaded and conquered almost all of Asia, the two of them allied by treaty and on their way to successful world conquest. And in 3 and a half years, the allies liberated all the lands they had conquered and completely defeated Germany and Japan, who signed surrenders.

And we lost nearly 300,000 troops in WWII, not 90,000.

In Iraq we invaded and conquered a country that was threatening no one, and in 3 and a half years we're further from a peaceful settlement than were at the beginning. The dictionary might call that "Losing a War".

Quote by: GBA There is no freedom without sacrifice and there are a lot of insurgents looking to make trouble since their whole terrorist version of Islam is on the chopping block.

Yeah, and we're sacrificing Iraqis at a rate that far exceeds anything Saddam ever did. Here at home, however, we're not even asked to sacrifice a few tax dollars to pay for this idiot adventure. And when was our freedom ever threatened, other that by Bush's policies?

Otherwise, we've sacrificed over 20,000 casualties, and counting, $400 billion, and counting, allienated our allies, pissed off the entire Muslim world and left our once undisputed world respect and leadership in tatters. All for a mis-quided, mis-handled war we're losing and can't get out of.

Quote by: GBA He's more than stupid, the guy seems insane.

How very Rovian of you. Why simply disagree with the policies of someone who served bravely in our last bad war and knows a bad war when he sees one, when character assisination works so much better.

Quote by: GBA Palestinians Get Saddam Charity Checks (Suicide Bomber Payments)

{{GASP!!}} NO!!!! The horror!!!! He actually gave money to the families of dead Palestinians.

Quote by: GBA There was more than enough justification.

Nice picture. What, exactly, did Iraq, Hussein, or even the Palestinians have to do with 9/11?

Quote by: GBA You don't have it at your very door thanks to the US military, so you feel nothing is going on for us to be there IMO.

Number one, says who? The administration seems to be making a big deal our of potential terrorist attacks that they've recently thwarted. Apparently fighting in Iraq hasn't stopped them from trying to attack us here.

Number two, as horrible as 911 was, we're suffering far more harm, militarily, financially and politically, by being bogged down in a hopeless quagmire in Iraq -- and now, it seems, Afghanistan. In other words, we have them right where they want us.


.

[underbear1]

9/11 and Iraq have No Connection, and seems the only one that didn't get this memo yet is GodBlessAmerica

[underbear1]

Let's see 15 of 19 terrorists who did commit 9/11 were Saudis, trained in Afghanistan, and were allowed free movement through Iran.It's perfectly obvious the problem was Iraq!

[GodBlessAmerica]

Sonart Saddam tried to kill off an American President.
Was trying to acquire lots of additional nasty stuff as papers have been showing and was most certainly making terrorism payments.
There is a distinction you won't like to make. Saddam made payments to families in exchange for a member blowing themselves up among innocent people.
It was known that if you blew yourself up in a terrorist act that Saddam would make a payment for your evil deeds to your family.

Iraq was full of insurgents and as we fight others have been slipping into Iraq to fight rather than at you front door. Be grateful the American military is keeping it there and not on the lawn of your home.

You have insurgents killing off the Iraqis and everyone else who is not them and handing terrorist Iraq (the liberal goal) is not an option.

Murtha served and has been a dimwit the last few years. We go by what the guy says and does currently, not his history. The guy who blew up the FBI building had the same medals as Murtha, doesn't make his post-military deeds all golden either.

Keeping the fight there is better than on our lawns, and yes we do agree Bush had done a good job at leading the way in keeping it out of America since 9/11.

[Chris]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Quote by: Sonart . Here's crazy. Daily death rate tops 100 in June, U.N. report says Civilian killings set monthly record --"An average of more than 100 civilians per day were killed in Iraq last month, the United Nations reported yesterday, registering what appears to be the highest official monthly tally of violent deaths since the fall of Baghdad."-- We're smack in the middle of a civil war, however you want to define it. General Casey desperately wants to starting removing troops from Iraq before our military begins breaking down any further. U.S. commander predicts troop drawdown Top general forecasts gradual withdrawal of troops in coming months --"On the eve of President Bush’s summit on Iraq, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad predicted Sunday (June 11, 2006) that coalition troops will gradually move out of the country in the coming months. Gen. George Casey said he thinks it will be possible to withdraw some of the 130,000 U.S. forces in the months ahead as long as Iraq’s government and security forces make progress."-- How does anyone possibly reconcile the two headlines above? And Murtha's crazy??? You are describing something you can find in the dictionary that is called WAR. We lost 90,000 in WW2. There is no freedom without sacrifice and there are a lot of insurgents looking to make trouble since their whole terrorist version of Islam is on the chopping block. Murtha is stupid, you remove troops over time as the situation allows for it. You never make deadlines that terrorists can wait out and you don't suggest we can operate from bases that make us travel 6000 miles by plane . He's more than stupid, the guy seems insane.

Freedom for who? Americans? By fighting in Iraq? please.

How is our fighting in Iraq making Americans more free, and why should we sacrifice our blood in Iraq?

[Chris]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica 9-11.jpg Palestinians Get Saddam Charity Checks (Suicide Bomber Payments) There was more than enough justification. You don't have it at your very door thanks to the US military, so you feel nothing is going on for us to be there IMO.

9/11 is tied to Iraq how?

Saddam paying Palestinians affects America how?

We should go to war with Saddam in 2002 why?

[RickSp]

Murtha showed his courage both on the battle field and in Congress where he stood up and told the truth. Telling the truth is supporting the troops. Believing lies while good American die in a pointless war does not. Repeating lies connecting Saddam to 9/11 only demonstrates a willful ignorance. Being too dim to see that we are losing a war is merely ridiculous.

Tin hat chicken hawk squawking diminishs neither Murtha's courage nor his truth. After all, it is just so much squawking.

[Chris]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Sonart Saddam tried to kill off an American President.

So did John Hinckley, Jr. do you think we should have gone to war over it back then? GHW Bush wasn't even president at the time.

Was trying to acquire lots of additional nasty stuff as papers have been showing and was most certainly making terrorism payments. There is a distinction you won't like to make. Saddam made payments to families in exchange for a member blowing themselves up among innocent people. It was known that if you blew yourself up in a terrorist act that Saddam would make a payment for your evil deeds to your family.

Nasty stuff, where papers which were proven to be FAKE surface. Terrorism payments??? to Palestinian bombers families??? How does this hurt America? Why does America need to go to war for Israel>?

Iraq was full of insurgents and as we fight others have been slipping into Iraq to fight rather than at you front door. Be grateful the American military is keeping it there and not on the lawn of your home. You have insurgents killing off the Iraqis and everyone else who is not them and handing terrorist Iraq (the liberal goal) is not an option.

What evidence do you have that "Iraq was full of insurgents" prior to 2002? There is heaps of evidence that insurgents flooded into the country post 18 March 2003. When Iraq was disorganized, and lawless. What proof do you have that these insurgents aren't just pissed off Fedayeen - pissed off that America invaded their country?

Murtha served and has been a dimwit the last few years. We go by what the guy says and does currently, not his history. The guy who blew up the FBI building had the same medals as Murtha, doesn't make his post-military deeds all golden either.

I am sure you could find loads of serial killers and demented psychos who had served in war and were awarded very prestigious medals too. But none of them have served in the U.S. House of Representatives since 1974 so equating him to these maniacs and dismissing him as "crazy" is childish at the most.

Keeping the fight there is better than on our lawns, and yes we do agree Bush had done a good job at leading the way in keeping it out of America since 9/11.

You keep spouting this garbage. It is nothing more than right wing talking points. Terrorists have made several attempts to attack us "on our lawns" since 9/11 and terrorists have been very successful at attacking westerners in other parts of the world many many times post 9/11. Don't kid yourself. This war has done nothing but inflamed the hard line radical Muslims around the world. Good job.