Murtha's followers: Marching toward defeat

[GodBlessAmerica]

We put Hinkley away and if we could equally put enemies away that easily life would be better.

There was evidence in the 9-11 commission that Saddam was readying to start his nuclear program again once we got him free of sanctions,
I guess you forgot how his scientists were found with nuclear parts in their home freezers and elsewhere, plus he would not even need to develop them, if left in power he could simply buy one on the market.

It is known he had some terrorist training camps there and he was financing terror elsewhere which is the same thing.
We have Iran doing this right now in Lebanon through Hezbollah.

If other parts of the world took this fight as seriously as us, maybe attacks would be down more in those places as well. Depends on if they look for communications with terrorist and their financial records more than likely.

[underbear1]

Saddam posed ZERO threat to the United States, which is how the Neo Cons billed this War. Mushroom cloud and aluminum tubes...........ring any bells?
Tyrants are a dime a dozen globally, we certainly aren't invading each of their counties and spreading Democracy.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Saddam was trying to still get nuclear stuff going and even some if his scientists were found to have parts in freezers and buried around their homes. Go back and read old newspaper articles about that.

Plus, like Iran with Hezbollah, Saddam was financing terror through the Palestinians by offering up to $25,000 to the family of anyone who would blow themselves up among the innocent Jews.
He also tried to kill a President while under sanctions and took the oil for food money to build castles while people were hungry.
In the last year he was also shooting hundreds of times at the UN missions guarding the no fly zone.
We also found well over 500 WMD were still dangerous.
There was quite possibly a whole bunch sent to Syria if you go by some of Saddam's ex military officers. Makes you wonder if Syria will bring them out soon if that is true.

Saddam was looking to end sanctions and would not even have to develop a nuke, he could have bought some, so he had to go.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: GBA Saddam was trying to still get nuclear stuff going and even some if his scientists were found to have parts in freezers and buried around their homes. Go back and read old newspaper articles about that.

Go back and read them yourself. A few bits and pieces buried under some rose bushes did not constitute a viable nuclear program and even a hint of one.

Quote by: GBA Plus, like Iran with Hezbollah, Saddam was financing terror through the Palestinians by offering up to $25,000 to the family of anyone who would blow themselves up among the innocent Jews.

Paying a $25,000 death benefit to the families of 'martyrs' was the absolute minimum as far as aid to Palestinian terrorists. North Korea was sending them arms by the shipload, has a real nuclear capability and a proven willingness to sell weapons, and is probably responsible for more deaths among their own people than Saddam. Shall we pencil them in for invasion?

Quote by: GBA n the last year he was also shooting hundreds of times at the UN missions guarding the no fly zone.

First off, they weren't UN missions, they were U.S. missions, clearly intended to get Iraqi air defenses to reveal themselves. The UN made no provisions for no-fly zones, we did that on our own and therefore we were illegally violating Iraqi airspace and they had a perfect legal right to respond. And second off, we basically did it with total impunity. Not a single U.S. aircraft was ever lost and as likely as not, any time an Iraqi battery fired on a U.S. plane, the only result would be the prompt and violent death of the poor dumb Iraqi sonsubitches ordered to fire the missiles.

Quote by: GBA There was quite possibly a whole bunch sent to Syria if you go by some of Saddam's ex military officers. Makes you wonder if Syria will bring them out soon if that is true.

Wishful speculation. Not a shred of evidence.

Quote by: GBA Saddam was looking to end sanctions...

Well duh. Wouldn't you?

Quote by: GBA ...and would not even have to develop a nuke, he could have bought some, so he had to go.

More speculation. North Korea has nuclear weapons and a record of selling arms. Why don't they "have to go"? Pakistan has nuclear weapons and a record of exporting the technology. Why don't they "have to go"? Iran has a very real nuclear program and is probably the single most active supporter of terrorism in the mideast. Why don't they "have to go"? Iraq, among all the players in the mideast, was probably the least active, least threatening and least dangerous, which probably had a lot to do with why we thought we could invade them with impunity.

Your apologia for Bush's incompetence just gets lamer and lamer the longer this debacle wears on.
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[RickSp]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Saddam was trying to still get nuclear stuff going and even some if his scientists were found to have parts in freezers and buried around their homes. Go back and read old newspaper articles about that. Saddam was looking to end sanctions and would not even have to develop a nuke, he could have bought some, so he had to go.

That is not only factualy wrong but simply idiotic. Some centrifuge parts were found buried under a rose garden where they has been over a decade. Anyone who thinks this is evidence of Saddam's intent to build a nuke is either a dim wit, delusional, or both.

[tivodan1116]

GBA you seem to forget one thing...

Assuming for a minute that your completely idiotic, untrue, baseless idea that Saddam was days away from getting, say, a 20Kt nuclear bomb is somehow true. How does this affect us?????? Saddam doesn't have a ballistic delivery system capable of reaching anywhere outside of the Middle East. He could barely reach Israel during the Gulf War with a much lighter payload.

The thing that's forgotten in the whole WMD debate that no one addresses (especially GOP parrots like GBA) is that even IF Saddam managed to develop some WMD, he had no way to get them here. Iraq was absolutely positively no threat whatsoever to the United States.

[RickSp]

Quote by: tivodan1116 The thing that's forgotten in the whole WMD debate that no one addresses (especially GOP parrots like GBA) is that even IF Saddam managed to develop some WMD, he had no way to get them here. Iraq was absolutely positively no threat whatsoever to the United States.

The really bizarre irony is that when Saddam did indeed have WMD and used them on his people and the Iranian army, he was our good friend and ally. When Saddam no longer had WMD he was a "dangerous" monster whose very existence justified a pointless war that we are now losing. If would be funny if tens of thousands hadn't dided in thsi madness.