"Stop Doing This Sxxx", Bush Says

[tinybear]

Mon Jul 17, 6:33 AM ET

ST PETERSBURG, Russia (Reuters) - A microphone picked up an unaware
President Bush saying on Monday Syria should press Hezbollah to "stop doing this shit" and that his secretary of state may go to the Middle East soon.


Bush was talking privately to British Prime Minister Tony Blair during a lunch at the Group of Eight summit in St Petersburg about an upsurge of violence in the Middle East, not realizing a microphone was recording what he said.


"I think Condi (Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice) is going to go pretty soon," Bush said.


Blair replied: "Right, that's all that matters, it will take some time to get that together."

http://politics.netscape.com/viewsto...c_1&frame=true


But here's my question: Who's doing more shit? Hezbollah? Or Israel? What do you think?

[underbear1]

Bush is doing more shit than either, we're the only one bogged down in the middle of 2 quagmire wars.

[Mia]

I have fallen behind in following everything. I mean, it was Hezbollah that 'started it'. I think Israel's response was overboard. But I don't know all of the goings-on over there for the last year or so.

Everyone's been behaving badly for a long time.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Hezbollah was supposed to be out of there as part of the agreement with Israel to withdraw from Lebanon and of course Hezbollah stayed, has lobbed missiles now and then and most recently invaded Israel to take some of their military prisoners.

This is it, Israel is no longer taking it and this is going to be a gloves off policy from here on out.

The Jews gave up all the land that was asked for in exchange for peace and they were attacked for it, so they should do IMO what ever they need to in order to secure themselves.

I know if Hezbollah or Iran tried this crap on our shores we'd be invading, so I have no problem with Israel at all here.

[Mia]

There never was an agreement between Israel and Lebanon for Hizbollah to leave. Israel withdrew mainly due to Barak winning on the platform of withdrawl.

The UN resolution seemed to have no effect until 70% of the Israeli population wanted the withdrawl.

The UN called for Lebanon to stop all terrorist attacks from within its borders.

[Scribbler1]

A minor point, but couldn't that rube at least not have shoved a meatball into his mouth right before talking to the Prime Minister of the UK?

The whole scene looked a little too casual on TV.

[bishop]

who gives a shit what that dumb hick said?

israel has a right to defend itself and respond with force.. i'm not sure if its forces are being applied properly however since it seems that civilian/economic targets have the highest priority. not only that, but israel has extended its attacks to the lebanese military (while ordering them to combat hezbollah at the same time). talk about duplicity...

israel attacks lebanese regulars

everything that israel is doing doesn't seem to be severely affecting hezbollah at all, but it is severely weakening lebanon's infrastructure/economy and its government/military.. i have a feeling that israel is going to feel the blowback of their actions for many years now.

[Scribbler1]

It is conceivable that Hezbollah might even take over the Lebanese government after this, much like the Taliban. Lebanon has a pretty much impotent government as it is and with Syria and Iran backing these swine a coup may be in the cards pretty soon.

I understand the frustration Israelis must feel but you can't start bombing civilians to get at some faceless enemy who may or may not be in the vicinity. It's my understanding a lot of the missiles coming from Lebanon are on timers and are aimed and set, and then those who set the timers get as far away as possible leaving the civilians to feel the heat from Israel.

You would think the world might have paid attention to the mistakes made by the Bush administration and tried to avoid civilian casualties. It sure as hell isn't going to win Israel any sympathy from among the average Lebanese.

[bishop]

yeah... the thing i really don't understand is why israel is intentionally attacking the lebanese military - which has done NOTHING to provoke such attacks against it.. like you said, it's impotent as it was, now they're even more powerless. the lebanese government is nothing if the lebanese military is decimated - they'll never be able to control their own territory and hezbollah's preeminence will only grow.

this article here is replete with examples of israel attacking lebanese regulars... and ynet often takes a much more right-wing approach, rather than the more moderate haaretz..

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/Art...277696,00.html

[Nono]

Quote by: bishop who gives a shit what that dumb hick said?

Right. So he said a bad word. Who gives a fuck? Time to get real.

[bishop]

gotta love how the major media will instantly morph itself into a tabloid the first chance it gets.. the only interesting thing about it is that we rarely ever hear world leaders communicating with each other in an unscripted fashion.. still, what they were talking about was clearly overshadowed by bush's unimportant language.. just another thing to make you slap your head over the utter stupidity of it all.

[lsbskins1]

The Bush Administation appointee to head the FCC responds to the overeaction of bible thumpers and fines skyrocket. Among the things one can be fined hundreds of thousands of dollars for is broadcasting "vile" words, like "SHIT". Bush lauds this. Then Bush says this vile word, at an event that was mic'ed and broadcast. Maybe they weren't supposed to be on in that moment, but he knew they were there. "Tis sport to have the engineer hoist by his own petar".

[brien]

Quote by: bishop gotta love how the major media will instantly morph itself into a tabloid the first chance it gets.. the only interesting thing about it is that we rarely ever hear world leaders communicating with each other in an unscripted fashion.. still, what they were talking about was clearly overshadowed by bush's unimportant language.. just another thing to make you slap your head over the utter stupidity of it all.

When addressing this issue of GWB using a vulgarity, I am with Nono. Who really gives a shit? Only those who wish to make mountains out of the proverbial molehills really care.

I, for one, realize that these world leaders all use profanities, just as we all do, in everyday conversation. So what, they are human. So long as they don't get vulgar when speaking pro forma, then what harm is using common vulgariites when speaking extemporaneously?

The media just can't help from pissing all over themselves over the "hot mike" mistake by someone whom they love to catch in any compromising position they can these days. . Bishop has it right when he stated it really only overshadows the importance of what he was really saying to Tony Blair. The news media looks just as jerky as the Pres in this one.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: tinybear Mon Jul 17, 6:33 AM ET ST PETERSBURG, Russia (Reuters) - A microphone picked up an unaware President Bush saying on Monday Syria should press Hezbollah to "stop doing this shit" and that his secretary of state may go to the Middle East soon. Bush was talking privately to British Prime Minister Tony Blair during a lunch at the Group of Eight summit in St Petersburg about an upsurge of violence in the Middle East, not realizing a microphone was recording what he said. "I think Condi (Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice) is going to go pretty soon," Bush said. Blair replied: "Right, that's all that matters, it will take some time to get that together." http://politics.netscape.com/viewsto...c_1&frame=true But here's my question: Who's doing more shit? Hezbollah? Or Israel? What do you think?

Who's doing more shit? Hmm, I tend to find fault with the group that holds as a central theme the cessation of existence for another group.

Israel’s response? What is it like to be the state harried for years by several groups, supported by several states, that have called for the cessation of your existence.

Hezbollah? As a group formed with the purpose of eradicating another nation state, I find them less than acceptable in terms of being a credible entity with which dealings can be helpful.

Indeed, Syria should press Hezbollah to “stop this shit”. In fact, every nation should press them to stop. Bush’s sentiment is one that should be shared by all.

Press Hezbollah to stop

[bishop]

what bush said wasn't any different than the PR he and his people have been saying.. namely, they're putting the onus on syria for all that's going on - and giving israel a pass to go hunting for hezbollah.

[shrike]

Quote by: bishop yeah... the thing i really don't understand is why israel is intentionally attacking the lebanese military - which has done NOTHING to provoke such attacks against it..

Well not quite right. How do you think that Hezbollah got the coordinates of Israeli ship that was hit by a missile?

However, the Israeli army has all but accused Lebanon's military of supporting Hezbollah, saying it targeted radar stations in northern Lebanon because they were used to hit a warship Friday. That claim could not be confirmed but it is known that the Lebanese military and Hezbollah have some sort of coordination.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...d/4054122.html

[bishop]

hezbollah doesn't have any targeting capabilities of their own - yet they have thousands of rockets/missiles??

[Scribbler1]

They probably fire up Google Earth before they pull out the missiles.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: bishop hezbollah doesn't have any targeting capabilities of their own - yet they have thousands of rockets/missiles??

The bulk of their "missiles" are actually rockets. Missiles are guided, rockets are not. Rockets are Aim (elevation, azimuth, and windage adjustments) and fire. Missiles, on the other hand, can be guided by a number of factors. Optimally, GPS coordinates. Older systems require radar to guide them. This is the case of the missile used by Hezbollah to attack the Israeli ship. This attack required the compliance of the Lebanese military in that they need track the ship with the associated targeting radar for the missile.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Scribbler1 They probably fire up Google Earth before they pull out the missiles.

A good guess. But the weaponry involved, as far as I have learned, is not so sophisticated as to employ GPS coordinates.

Of course, one could employ google earth to establish azimuth and range information for the rockets.