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shrike · Sep 27, 2006, 01:29 pm

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I don't have a side on this, but I don't know much either.

So educate youself before saying anything stupid.

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Palestinians lived in what we now call Israel, Israel came in and forced them out of their homes

No one forced any one out.They fled mostly becouse of the war and the call of the Arab leaders.

xyzer · Sep 27, 2006, 02:16 pm

ise..Your nonsense about the Russian Mafia somehow influencing Israel foreign policy is IMNSHO way out?
The Russian Mafia had nothing to do with foreign policy even in Russia? Give us some evidence that Russians are anything but friendly with the Middle Eastern nations because of their oil and the fact that Russia at one timne encompassed several Islamic terrirories in its empire.

Israel may have been greedy in its snatching of chunks of Palestine for settlement by its immigrants, but it has really only resisted a series of arab threats and attacks ever since it was re-established in 1948.
Oh yes it did take the Golan Heights because the Lebanese or Hezbollah were using the heights to bombard Israeli settlements.
Even this latest minor war was percipitated by Hezbollah and Israel merely reacted as they should have..to an act of war by a guerilla band.

Let me just add a treatise that may shed some light on the subject....
I don't vouch for the absolute veracity of this thing but if you doubt it check out the Suras in the Koran and refer to your history books,
The real violent History of Islam

Could it just be that Israel is again caught up in the struggle to spread Islam throughout the world? It's the only non Muslim nation in the area?

Atlas · Sep 27, 2006, 02:34 pm

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Just in case you missed this one.

Good job evading my argument by posting a lot of known to the Israeli public articles from everyday newspapers !

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Zehava Gal-On, of the left-wing opposition Yahad party, said Seemingly this underworld is controlled by former Russian Jxxx.

Doesn't it bother you using articles that were writen by the same Zionist Jews from the Israeli papers and quoting the same Israeli Zionist politicians ?

Your point of the connection between Zionism and The Russian mafia is disproven by your own argument material...

On average the women receive four dollars for every 120 dollars that clients pay their pimps for their services.

The problem of women traficing from ex-communist eastern European countries is a common problem in all modern countries in western Europe and north America, Israel included, as I said, your anti-Zionist views lock you specifically on Israel in any kind of protest against negative action that is going on now in the world.

WebJedi is right, youv'e gone way off topic in this discussion, so this is the last time I reply to you here...

Hey, why won't you start a new thread about Zionist-Russian conspiracies to take over the world, I'll be happy to make you understand that it is all just in your overcreative head...

Dr. Debate · Sep 27, 2006, 07:29 pm

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So educate youself before saying anything stupid.

No one forced any one out.They fled mostly becouse of the war and the call of the Arab leaders.

I know for a fact that Isreali forces drove Palestinians out of their homes one time or another

Atlas · Sep 27, 2006, 07:56 pm

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I know for a fact that Israeli forces drove Palestinians out of their homes one time or another

Never happened, Palestinians might have been encouraged to leave willingly to Arab countries back in 48' and 67', but they were never forced to leave.

Dr. Debate · Sep 27, 2006, 11:52 pm

Have you not seen a form of media outside of the U.S.? Thousands of Palestinians have been forced out of their homes due to this Isreal/Palestine conflict.

grandpa · Sep 28, 2006, 09:29 pm

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Have you not seen a form of media outside of
the U.S.?
Thousands of Palestinians have been forced out of their homes
due to this Isreal/Palestine conflict.

And they have increasingly suffered from poverty and malnutrition.

Grandpa h.

webjedi · Sep 29, 2006, 01:33 am

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And they have increasingly suffered from poverty and malnutrition.

Then why don't they do what the Jews did and educate themselves, build something out of nothing?

**Matt W** · Sep 30, 2006, 06:12 am

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Then why don't they do what the Jews did and educate themselves, build something out of nothing?

It's kind of hard to build anything when your contact with the outside world is limited by checkpoints, controlled airspace, military raids, and so forth. What international company would want offices in the Gaza Strip?

Lebanon was slowly becoming a good example of a successful Arabic state on its' way to democracy - but 20 years work has been undone.

webjedi · Oct 1, 2006, 12:08 am

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It's kind of hard to build anything when your contact with the outside world is limited by checkpoints, controlled airspace, military raids, and so forth. What international company would want offices in the Gaza Strip?

There are successful Palestinian businessmen and businesses, I used to date the daughter of one of them. Nevertheless Arab oil has created immense wealth, and unlike the Jews who send money to support Israel they don't give money to Palestinians to build industry.

Besides, the Jews were oppressed for 2000 years and they were successful in every society they were in.

Also, there is no significant progress in Muslim countries in general. In fact, Palestinians have one of the higher per capita incomes of the Muslim world (at least before the 2nd Intifada they did - I don't know about now), and they have one of the highest literacy rates.

They'd rather take up arms and hate then better themselves. That part I don't understand.

PatrickHenry · Oct 1, 2006, 05:11 am

Palestinians want the occupation gone. The Zionists are determined to make it stick.

Israel doesn't want peace, it wants continuing occupation, ethnic cleansing and siezure of more Palestinian land.

shrike · Oct 1, 2006, 07:35 am

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I know for a fact that Isreali forces drove Palestinians out of their homes one time or another

Well lets see your facts.

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Palestinians want the occupation gone. The Zionists are determined to make it stick.

Israel doesn't want peace, it wants continuing occupation, ethnic cleansing and siezure of more Palestinian land

Well that explain the fact that Barak accepted Clinton plan and Arafat refused it in Camp-David and didn't even proposed any counter offer. The Arabs states are refusers of peace they proved it in Khartoum conference when they denied any talks with Israel.

grandpa · Oct 1, 2006, 02:37 pm

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Then why don't they do what the Jews did and
educate themselves, build something out of nothing?

I don't know if you see it on the news or in the newspapers, but nobody "builds something out of nothing."

Grandpa h.

PatrickHenry · Oct 1, 2006, 10:37 pm

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Well lets see your facts.

Well that explain the fact that Barak accepted Clinton plan and Arafat refused it in Camp-David and didn't even proposed any counter offer. The Arabs states are refusers of peace they proved it in Khartoum conference when they denied any talks with Israel.

Sure, and that's why the Palestinian legislature is in Israeli dungeons without formal charges. The tyrannical face of the Israeli monster.

grandpa · Oct 2, 2006, 12:24 am

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Sure, and that's why the Palestinian legislature is in Israeli
dungeons without formal charges.
The tyrannical face of the Israeli monster.

But we're supposed to be concerned solely about the dungeons of Saddam Hussein or
the Soviet-style gulags of other enemies....not those of our own or our allies.
When Israel resorts to bombings that kill many civilians they are undoubtedly
justified.:rolleyes:

Grandpa h.

pubmanager · Oct 2, 2006, 01:55 am

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Well lets see your facts.

1948 - Irgun, led by Menachem Begin, massacre villagers at Dier Yassin. Palestinian civillians flee en masse in fear of similar attacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

Perhaps we can start there shrike?

I await your equivocation.

shrike · Oct 2, 2006, 04:21 am

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1948 - Irgun, led by Menachem Begin, massacre villagers at Dier Yassin. Palestinian civillians flee en masse in fear of similar attacks.

Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps we can start there shrike?

I await your equivocation.

It was a battle in war that not Israel started. And you know that in war civilians die epically if they used as human shields. Anyway there were a lot of massacres before and during that war that against the Jews it didn't get them to live Israel. For example
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PatrickHenry · Oct 2, 2006, 04:46 am

Heh. Ever the apologist for Jewish killers, huh, shrike?

shrike · Oct 2, 2006, 05:10 am

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Heh. Ever the apologist for Jewish killers, huh, shrike?

Do you have to say something on topic?Or your Muslim masters don't pay you enough?

**Matt W** · Oct 2, 2006, 04:02 pm

Enough. Both of you. :rolleyes:

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Sep 27, 2006, 02:16 pm	#122 (permalink) (top)
xyzer Liberated thinker Location: New Mexican Alps Posts: 2,288	ise..Your nonsense about the Russian Mafia somehow influencing Israel foreign policy is IMNSHO way out? The Russian Mafia had nothing to do with foreign policy even in Russia? Give us some evidence that Russians are anything but friendly with the Middle Eastern nations because of their oil and the fact that Russia at one timne encompassed several Islamic terrirories in its empire. Israel may have been greedy in its snatching of chunks of Palestine for settlement by its immigrants, but it has really only resisted a series of arab threats and attacks ever since it was re-established in 1948. Oh yes it did take the Golan Heights because the Lebanese or Hezbollah were using the heights to bombard Israeli settlements. Even this latest minor war was percipitated by Hezbollah and Israel merely reacted as they should have..to an act of war by a guerilla band. Let me just add a treatise that may shed some light on the subject.... I don't vouch for the absolute veracity of this thing but if you doubt it check out the Suras in the Koran and refer to your history books, The real violent History of Islam Could it just be that Israel is again caught up in the struggle to spread Islam throughout the world? It's the only non Muslim nation in the area? Thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us. Last edited by xyzer; Sep 27, 2006 at 02:16 pm. Reason: Auto-Merged Consecutive Post

Oct 1, 2006, 05:11 am	#131 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,455	Palestinians want the occupation gone. The Zionists are determined to make it stick. Israel doesn't want peace, it wants continuing occupation, ethnic cleansing and siezure of more Palestinian land. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams Last edited by PatrickHenry; Oct 1, 2006 at 05:11 am. Reason: Auto-Merged Consecutive Post

Oct 2, 2006, 04:46 am	#138 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,455	Heh. Ever the apologist for Jewish killers, huh, shrike? "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Sep 27, 2006, 11:52 pm	#126 (permalink) (top)
Dr. Debate Molten Ash Posts: 40	Have you not seen a form of media outside of the U.S.? Thousands of Palestinians have been forced out of their homes due to this Isreal/Palestine conflict.