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PatrickHenry · Jul 13, 2006, 04:58 pm

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...articleId=2730

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At the beginning of the Summer Rain operation I noticed that people's wounds looked strange.

I thought it was just because the attack was from a close distance or that the temperature of bullets penetrating the bodies of injured or killed people were so high they were causing burns.

I later found out that all wounds referred to the hospital since the start of the operation were very similar.

"I also noticed that despite the damage in internal soft tissue in the bodies of injured people, the fragments were not detected by X-ray. In other words, they had disappeared or dissolved inside the body."

Al Saqqa urged the international health authorities to come to Gaza and check the wounds of people in Al Shifa Hospital.

"The situation is very bad because out of the 200 injuries there are 50 children who are suffering badly because of their internal wounds caused by the new kind of ammunition," he said.

A new outrage by the criminal IDF?

Mia · Jul 13, 2006, 05:07 pm

OMG someone explain to me why we fund this country. I am so pissed.

SoccerfreakAB2 · Jul 13, 2006, 07:22 pm

You and me both, Mia. But says they have the right to "protect themselves". I say, "from what?!?!?!"

bishop · Jul 13, 2006, 07:54 pm

it wouldn't be surprising if these munitions came from u.s. taxpayers... after all, look at what we gave saddam once upon a time..

dsanthony · Jul 13, 2006, 08:02 pm

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Quote by: PatrickHenry

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...articleId=2730

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At the beginning of the Summer Rain operation I noticed that people's wounds looked strange.

I thought it was just because the attack was from a close distance or that the temperature of bullets penetrating the bodies of injured or killed people were so high they were causing burns.

I later found out that all wounds referred to the hospital since the start of the operation were very similar.

"I also noticed that despite the damage in internal soft tissue in the bodies of injured people, the fragments were not detected by X-ray. In other words, they had disappeared or dissolved inside the body."

Al Saqqa urged the international health authorities to come to Gaza and check the wounds of people in Al Shifa Hospital.

"The situation is very bad because out of the 200 injuries there are 50 children who are suffering badly because of their internal wounds caused by the new kind of ammunition," he said.

A new outrage by the criminal IDF?

You'll have to come up with some independent confirmation before anyone can take this story seriously. Hitler put out an story that Poland actually attacked Germany in 1939... that doens't make it true. But it's amazing how anti-Israel types will turn off reason to justify support for the enemies of Israel (which, as often as not, are also enemies of the US).

bishop · Jul 13, 2006, 08:13 pm

before you talk about supposed "anti-israeli types" making kneejerk reactions, make sure you aren't making one yourself..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/1106531.stm

israel is known, and has admitted to possessing depleted uranium weapons. is it so very impossible to believe that they would use such weapons against their enemies?

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 13, 2006, 08:15 pm

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Quote by: PatrickHenry

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...articleId=2730

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At the beginning of the Summer Rain operation I noticed that people's wounds looked strange.

I thought it was just because the attack was from a close distance or that the temperature of bullets penetrating the bodies of injured or killed people were so high they were causing burns.

I later found out that all wounds referred to the hospital since the start of the operation were very similar.

"I also noticed that despite the damage in internal soft tissue in the bodies of injured people, the fragments were not detected by X-ray. In other words, they had disappeared or dissolved inside the body."

Al Saqqa urged the international health authorities to come to Gaza and check the wounds of people in Al Shifa Hospital.

"The situation is very bad because out of the 200 injuries there are 50 children who are suffering badly because of their internal wounds caused by the new kind of ammunition," he said.

A new outrage by the criminal IDF?

Is there a second source for this story from any real media sources, because even this site acknowledges they are left wing activists.

Apeman81 · Jul 13, 2006, 08:19 pm

Oh what a load! Someone makes a gratuitous assertion and the clamering begins.

Enjoy! Don't forget the tin foil hats!

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 13, 2006, 08:33 pm

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Quote by: Apeman81

Oh what a load! Someone makes a gratuitous assertion and the clamering begins.

Enjoy! Don't forget the tin foil hats!

I would like to see more reporting on this from other sources if they exist.

bishop · Jul 13, 2006, 08:39 pm

i already linked another one jack...

RickSp · Jul 13, 2006, 08:54 pm

Lets see, the US denied using napalm in Iraq and then admitted that they did. They denied using white phosphorus in civilian neighborhoods, they admitted it.

So I guess it is absolutely impossible to believe that the Israelis are using chemical weapons. Ranting about tin hats while ignoring reporting by the BBC. So damn typical.

bishop · Jul 13, 2006, 08:59 pm

and once they do admit to using such munitions, the sheeps for empire either ignore the admission, or do what they do best - use their apologist skills to justify the actions they once denied ever taking place.

Dieval · Jul 13, 2006, 10:52 pm

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A doctor at a Palestinian hospital has accused Israel

Enough said right there...it must be true... :rolleyes:

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"I also noticed that despite the damage in internal soft tissue in the bodies of injured people, the fragments were not detected by X-ray. In other words, they had disappeared or dissolved inside the body."

Sounds Israel is now making bullets...maybe next they'll deploy their fairy dust munitions.

bishop · Jul 13, 2006, 11:12 pm

care to explain why the israelis decided to confiscate the spent shells rather than let the u.n. inspect them? after all, if the shells didn't have depleted uranium, the israelis shouldn't have anything to hide...

PatrickHenry · Jul 14, 2006, 12:06 am

I don't think it's DU. That stuff is well known and fragments would be easy to see with an X-ray. I don't have enough information on this to say whether this Palestinian doctor is lying. But if this allegation proves out it would concern me very much. I don't like the thought of new munitions being deployed against civilians by the IDF. Their methods are soon replicated by US forces.

I anticipate that they would be used by US troops in future conflict resulting in further outrage by our "enemies" over assaults with exotic bullets. I frankly also fear that they may one day be turned against those of us who express our disagreement with US militarism.

The Dunedan · Jul 14, 2006, 12:12 am

Here's the problem I have with this.

Any "dissolving" chemical bullet, such as described here, would be impossible to fire from a rifled weapon. Maybe I'm missing something, but the article does seem to be stating that this is supposedly rifle ammunition? For a round to "dissolve" like that, the material would have to be so fragile that the forces associated with exiting the muzzle of the gun would destroy it. If nothing else, the 250,000rpm's imparted to the bullet by the rifled barrel would cause almost gauranteed bullet failure within a few meters of flight; this happens to ordinary lead bullets in high-velocity rifle loads all the time. The Lazzeroni magnums are somewhat notorious for this. A projectile fragile enough to melt or dissolve in human flesh would be useless; it'd never survive flight long enough to hit anything.

It's not DU, trust me. DU is only good for use in armor-penetrating weapons; it'd be a lousy anti-personell round. It's very heavy and dense, so it's good at poking holes in really hard stuff...which is, past a point, not what you want in a man-killing round. Because DU is so dense, it doesn't deform on contact, which means that instead of yawing, fragmenting, or tumbling like a normal rifle bullet would it just keeps on going. Punches a small hole all the way through; this is not what you want in an anti-personell projectile. DU is also quite visible on X-ray.

Apeman81 · Jul 14, 2006, 01:14 am

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care to explain why the israelis decided to confiscate the spent shells rather than let the u.n. inspect them? after all, if the shells didn't have depleted uranium, the israelis shouldn't have anything to hide...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Depleted Uranium projectile not showing up on an X-ray!?

Stop, you're killing me!

The only reason to use DU is for the incredible mass it allows for. The heavier shells penetrate farther, especially against reactive armor. They don't burn hotter or for that matter run faster or jump higher.

shrike · Jul 14, 2006, 02:08 am

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Quote by: bishop

before you talk about supposed "anti-israeli types" making kneejerk reactions, make sure you aren't making one yourself..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/1106531.stm

israel is known, and has admitted to possessing depleted uranium weapons. is it so very impossible to believe that they would use such weapons against their enemies?

I don't see in your source any admittance that Israel actually used its just Palestinians crazy speculations their known for their lies.

PatrickHenry · Jul 14, 2006, 03:05 am

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...its just Palestinians crazy speculations their known for their lies.

While your nation never lies, huh?

GodBlessAmerica · Jul 14, 2006, 04:38 am

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i already linked another one jack...

Read the second one as well and nothing was verified there either. So far it appears to be a rumor.

To me it makes no sense since they can kill them easily so many other ways at will.

Jul 13, 2006, 05:07 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	OMG someone explain to me why we fund this country. I am so pissed. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Jul 13, 2006, 07:54 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	it wouldn't be surprising if these munitions came from u.s. taxpayers... after all, look at what we gave saddam once upon a time.. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jul 13, 2006, 08:13 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	before you talk about supposed "anti-israeli types" making kneejerk reactions, make sure you aren't making one yourself.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/1106531.stm israel is known, and has admitted to possessing depleted uranium weapons. is it so very impossible to believe that they would use such weapons against their enemies? hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jul 13, 2006, 08:39 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	i already linked another one jack... hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jul 13, 2006, 08:54 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491	Lets see, the US denied using napalm in Iraq and then admitted that they did. They denied using white phosphorus in civilian neighborhoods, they admitted it. So I guess it is absolutely impossible to believe that the Israelis are using chemical weapons. Ranting about tin hats while ignoring reporting by the BBC. So damn typical. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

Jul 13, 2006, 07:22 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
SoccerfreakAB2 ???? Location: Novi. Michigan Posts: 2,163	You and me both, Mia. But says they have the right to "protect themselves". I say, "from what?!?!?!"

Jul 13, 2006, 08:19 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Apeman81 Hot Lava Posts: 1,302	Oh what a load! Someone makes a gratuitous assertion and the clamering begins. Enjoy! Don't forget the tin foil hats!

Jul 13, 2006, 08:59 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	and once they do admit to using such munitions, the sheeps for empire either ignore the admission, or do what they do best - use their apologist skills to justify the actions they once denied ever taking place. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jul 13, 2006, 11:12 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	care to explain why the israelis decided to confiscate the spent shells rather than let the u.n. inspect them? after all, if the shells didn't have depleted uranium, the israelis shouldn't have anything to hide... hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jul 14, 2006, 12:06 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	I don't think it's DU. That stuff is well known and fragments would be easy to see with an X-ray. I don't have enough information on this to say whether this Palestinian doctor is lying. But if this allegation proves out it would concern me very much. I don't like the thought of new munitions being deployed against civilians by the IDF. Their methods are soon replicated by US forces. I anticipate that they would be used by US troops in future conflict resulting in further outrage by our "enemies" over assaults with exotic bullets. I frankly also fear that they may one day be turned against those of us who express our disagreement with US militarism. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Jul 14, 2006, 12:12 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
The Dunedan Hot Lava Posts: 917	Here's the problem I have with this. Any "dissolving" chemical bullet, such as described here, would be impossible to fire from a rifled weapon. Maybe I'm missing something, but the article does seem to be stating that this is supposedly rifle ammunition? For a round to "dissolve" like that, the material would have to be so fragile that the forces associated with exiting the muzzle of the gun would destroy it. If nothing else, the 250,000rpm's imparted to the bullet by the rifled barrel would cause almost gauranteed bullet failure within a few meters of flight; this happens to ordinary lead bullets in high-velocity rifle loads all the time. The Lazzeroni magnums are somewhat notorious for this. A projectile fragile enough to melt or dissolve in human flesh would be useless; it'd never survive flight long enough to hit anything. It's not DU, trust me. DU is only good for use in armor-penetrating weapons; it'd be a lousy anti-personell round. It's very heavy and dense, so it's good at poking holes in really hard stuff...which is, past a point, not what you want in a man-killing round. Because DU is so dense, it doesn't deform on contact, which means that instead of yawing, fragmenting, or tumbling like a normal rifle bullet would it just keeps on going. Punches a small hole all the way through; this is not what you want in an anti-personell projectile. DU is also quite visible on X-ray.