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Mr.Vicchio · Apr 23, 2004, 03:57 am

Its not gonna happen, its just political posturing.

Mostly by Dems trying to scare people into thinking Iraq is Vietnam2.

Its pure political BS.

Besides, if you were drafted all you would have to do is show up with your best same sex friend holding hands, express your love for him/her and tell the nearest same sex drill instructor and tell them how cute they are. Or eat a MJ Brownie.

I don't want people that don't want to be in any more then those people don't want to be in. We got enough problems with rocks in as it is. Last thing the military needs is rebellious draft haters.

So don't fear the draft.

Young · Apr 23, 2004, 04:14 am

Democrats? Hagel the Republican from Neb. was the person talking about bringing the draft back. Do You watch the news or read? If the Draft were implemented again I want it made permanent, we'd only go to War when we really needed to then.

Young

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 23, 2004, 04:19 am

Young, the ball started by Dems, I didn't read teh hagel story, I read the earlier stuff, teh ball was rolling a few months ago, by 2 dems. Sorry if I missed Hagel jumpoing in, reguardless, its BS. We don;t need the draft.

Suburbanite · Apr 23, 2004, 04:22 am

Why not?
Who started the ball rolling in particular?

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 23, 2004, 04:30 am

Let me look that up gimmie a few actually have, gasp, paper work atm I am sifting through.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 23, 2004, 04:36 am

proponents of a universal military draft are Rep. Charles Rangel (N.Y.) and Sen. Fritz Hollings (D‑S.C.), the top Democrats on the House Ways and Means and Senate Commerce Committees, respectively. Rangel has instructed his staff to conduct an in‑depth review of the make‑up of National Guard and armed services reserve units."-- The Hill The Newspaper For and About The US Congress, Oct.9, 2003

http://www.nathanielturner.com/reinstituti...ingthedraft.htm

Last year, New York Congressman Charles Rangel also called for the re-institution of the military draft citing disproportionate numbers of people of color and lower classes because of the lack of employment opportunities in the All Volunteer Army. His call was ignored even though it made waves in the media.

PatrickHenry · Apr 23, 2004, 04:39 am

Charlie Rangel said it. He was the first one I heard, but I figured it was for political sniping. Trying to show that the Republicans wouldn't like having their sons subject to flying bullets. Then the more I thought about it, I couldn't figure if it was grandstanding or if he is really a stealth agent for the socialist side of the NWO that wants to garrison the world with US troops.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 23, 2004, 04:40 am

He was, IMHO playing the race card, the class card, and trying to Show Bush was in over his head. Whatever hagel said I haven't had the leisure of looking up. That took FOREVER to find.

Gorgo · Apr 23, 2004, 06:17 am

The draft is too dangerous for people like Bush. That means that they have to come up with better lies to justify forcing people to join. Better to use the economic draft. Make sure there are enough poor people that can't find jobs elsewhere to join up.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 23, 2004, 07:18 am

Play that funky class warfare, I said PLAY that funy classwarfare Bush hater! Woo can you feel it??

Economic draft? Not enough jobs?

Right...

300k jobs added last month, yeah there are no jobs out there ;rollseyes:

Osborn F Enready · Apr 23, 2004, 06:20 pm

Vichio, you have no CLUE. There are currently 86,000 people falling off unemployment because BUSH cut ALL options for extensions. Also figure how that adds to the overall production numbers (less workers producing more goods) and it makes things LOOK positive. I have just been dropped off unemployment, I am a veteran, I am signed on every State and Local job service, I have over 300 resumes out, and have had 5 calls, and no job offers. You are talking without the facts.

Osborn F Enready · Apr 23, 2004, 06:20 pm

By the way, that is 86,000 A MONTH!

dotcoma · Apr 23, 2004, 07:01 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Vicchio,
Young, the ball started by Dems, I didn't read teh hagel story, I read the earlier stuff, teh ball was rolling a few months ago, by 2 dems. Sorry if I missed Hagel jumpoing in, reguardless, its BS. We don;t need the draft.

TOTALLY incorrect. The first person to even talk about the draft pot 9/11 was Paul Wolfowitz.

Apr 23, 2004, 08:29 pm

All this crying over the draft and serving in the Military. I WISH I could reup. Unfortunately, I'm too old to go back into the Airborne and kick some terrorist ASSES.

Osborn F Enready · Apr 23, 2004, 09:12 pm

The military is awesome, deserves respect, is useful, honorable, loyal and trustworthy. The person in ultimate control is a madman.

VXerick · Apr 24, 2004, 12:24 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Osborn F Enready,
There are currently 86,000 people falling off unemployment because BUSH cut ALL options for extensions.

And there are 860,000 (or more) help wanted ads in several thousand newspapers across the country.

VXerick · Apr 24, 2004, 12:27 pm

I hope they never reinstitute the draft. Then how will we know the real patriots from the phonies?

Besides I'd hate to have to depend on a draftee who is bitching about being there and not watching my back in a dangerous situation.

dotcoma · Apr 24, 2004, 12:36 pm

Real patriots from the phonies?

VXerick · Apr 24, 2004, 12:53 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by roxdog,
Real patriots from the phonies?

What's the matter? Don't you like my premise on patriotism? :rolleyes:

dotcoma · Apr 24, 2004, 01:22 pm

Premise on patriotism?

Apr 23, 2004, 03:57 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Its not gonna happen, its just political posturing. Mostly by Dems trying to scare people into thinking Iraq is Vietnam2. Its pure political BS. Besides, if you were drafted all you would have to do is show up with your best same sex friend holding hands, express your love for him/her and tell the nearest same sex drill instructor and tell them how cute they are. Or eat a MJ Brownie. I don't want people that don't want to be in any more then those people don't want to be in. We got enough problems with rocks in as it is. Last thing the military needs is rebellious draft haters. So don't fear the draft. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 23, 2004, 04:14 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Young Hot Lava Location: western NC Posts: 1,088	Democrats? Hagel the Republican from Neb. was the person talking about bringing the draft back. Do You watch the news or read? If the Draft were implemented again I want it made permanent, we'd only go to War when we really needed to then. Young Young I guess all we've got Left......are these darned "Internets"

Apr 23, 2004, 04:19 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Young, the ball started by Dems, I didn't read teh hagel story, I read the earlier stuff, teh ball was rolling a few months ago, by 2 dems. Sorry if I missed Hagel jumpoing in, reguardless, its BS. We don;t need the draft. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 23, 2004, 04:30 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Let me look that up gimmie a few actually have, gasp, paper work atm I am sifting through. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 23, 2004, 04:36 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	proponents of a universal military draft are Rep. Charles Rangel (N.Y.) and Sen. Fritz Hollings (D‑S.C.), the top Democrats on the House Ways and Means and Senate Commerce Committees, respectively. Rangel has instructed his staff to conduct an in‑depth review of the make‑up of National Guard and armed services reserve units."-- The Hill The Newspaper For and About The US Congress, Oct.9, 2003 http://www.nathanielturner.com/reinstituti...ingthedraft.htm Last year, New York Congressman Charles Rangel also called for the re-institution of the military draft citing disproportionate numbers of people of color and lower classes because of the lack of employment opportunities in the All Volunteer Army. His call was ignored even though it made waves in the media. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 23, 2004, 04:22 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Why not? Who started the ball rolling in particular?

Apr 23, 2004, 04:39 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	Charlie Rangel said it. He was the first one I heard, but I figured it was for political sniping. Trying to show that the Republicans wouldn't like having their sons subject to flying bullets. Then the more I thought about it, I couldn't figure if it was grandstanding or if he is really a stealth agent for the socialist side of the NWO that wants to garrison the world with US troops. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 23, 2004, 04:40 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	He was, IMHO playing the race card, the class card, and trying to Show Bush was in over his head. Whatever hagel said I haven't had the leisure of looking up. That took FOREVER to find. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 23, 2004, 06:17 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	The draft is too dangerous for people like Bush. That means that they have to come up with better lies to justify forcing people to join. Better to use the economic draft. Make sure there are enough poor people that can't find jobs elsewhere to join up.

Apr 23, 2004, 07:18 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Play that funky class warfare, I said PLAY that funy classwarfare Bush hater! Woo can you feel it?? Economic draft? Not enough jobs? Right... 300k jobs added last month, yeah there are no jobs out there ;rollseyes: Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 23, 2004, 06:20 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Vichio, you have no CLUE. There are currently 86,000 people falling off unemployment because BUSH cut ALL options for extensions. Also figure how that adds to the overall production numbers (less workers producing more goods) and it makes things LOOK positive. I have just been dropped off unemployment, I am a veteran, I am signed on every State and Local job service, I have over 300 resumes out, and have had 5 calls, and no job offers. You are talking without the facts. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Apr 23, 2004, 06:20 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	By the way, that is 86,000 A MONTH! Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Apr 23, 2004, 08:29 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	All this crying over the draft and serving in the Military. I WISH I could reup. Unfortunately, I'm too old to go back into the Airborne and kick some terrorist ASSES.

Apr 23, 2004, 09:12 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	The military is awesome, deserves respect, is useful, honorable, loyal and trustworthy. The person in ultimate control is a madman. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Apr 24, 2004, 12:27 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
VXerick Igneous Magma Location: PA Posts: 328	I hope they never reinstitute the draft. Then how will we know the real patriots from the phonies? Besides I'd hate to have to depend on a draftee who is bitching about being there and not watching my back in a dangerous situation.

Apr 24, 2004, 12:36 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Real patriots from the phonies?

Apr 24, 2004, 01:22 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Premise on patriotism?