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PatrickHenry · May 8, 2004, 06:46 pm

It's beginning to look like the appointment of Donald Rumsfeld was one of GW Bush's more outstanding mistakes. I guess he doesn't think so, but then he's not the brightest bulb in the pack.

dotcoma · May 9, 2004, 12:38 pm

This is my opinion, but I believe that Dubya has nothing to do with Rumsfeld. I don't think Dubya could just decide to fire Rumsfeld. I don't think he has the "power".

Milton Bradley · May 9, 2004, 03:25 pm

I am also a Libertarian, and anti-King George. I voted to many to count, and I believe the record will speak for itself.

I find myself shocked at how well Patrick Henry expresses my opinion in so many subjects, yet we advocate different candidates. I'm a Russo guy.

I happen to think electing one more Democrat, or Republican will absolutely be the last straw. This country will implode with four more years of Skull, and Bones, or any other unconstitutional leadership. I would even vote Nader if thats what it took to unseat these tyrants.

I scares me to think that the largest third party of all is virtually unknown to most Americans.

http://www.russoforpresident.com
http://freestateproject.org

dotcoma · May 9, 2004, 03:34 pm

We're labeled as crazies for knowing history and asking questions...go figure.

PatrickHenry · May 9, 2004, 10:15 pm

I could vote for Russo.

bugsbunny04 · May 9, 2004, 11:43 pm

We should not forget that you are never voting for who is more good, but rather, who is less bad. That is the reality of our political system.

dotcoma · May 10, 2004, 07:58 am

Quote:

Originally posted by PatrickHenry,
I could vote for Russo.

Pat,

This is for you...

dotcoma · May 10, 2004, 08:00 am

Quote:

Originally posted by bugsbunny04,
We should not forget that you are never voting for who is more good, but rather, who is less bad. That is the reality of our political system.

I disagree. If you fall for the phony two headed monster maybe. There are GOOD people out there that could make our country (and the world) a better place. People just need to realize that voting for either Rep or Dem is actually throwing your vote away becuase nothing will ever change with these guys. They are working together. Enough is enough.

bugsbunny04 · May 11, 2004, 12:32 am

Quote:

Originally posted by roxdog,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (roxdog,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-bugsbunny04,
We should not forget that you are never voting for who is more good, but rather, who is less bad. That is the reality of our political system.

I disagree. If you fall for the phony two headed monster maybe. There are GOOD people out there that could make our country (and the world) a better place. People just need to realize that voting for either Rep or Dem is actually throwing your vote away becuase nothing will ever change with these guys. They are working together. Enough is enough.[/b][/quote]

Wrong, these bastards are too greedy to work together.

Young · May 11, 2004, 06:48 pm

I plan to vote Nader, but He can't win because the electoral college cancels out the Popular...and if they don't like that result they control the supreme court. Puppet strings exist, but so does blackmale, and some know how to frame well.

Young

PatrickHenry · Aug 28, 2004, 04:14 am

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0826-07.htm
1. "Miscalculation in Iraq" has claimed nearly a thousand Americans lives. Many thousand shattered US bodies and lives. Iraq civilians are dead and wounded.
2. War destabilized the region and undercut US security; Iraq now a recruiting ground for Islamic terrorists.
3. Cost of war so far: nearly 130 billion dollars. Borrowed money that your grandchildren will still be repaying with interest. http://costofwar.com/
4. Public opinions around the world: US is on nearly everyones blacklist.
5. Gas prices up due to instability. Corporate friends of Bush/Cheney reaping wonderful profits in Iraq. So there's a little fraud...
6. Authoritarians, not democracy in power in Iraq.
7. Prisoner mistreatment has shown American ideals of fairness are hollow.
8. Recovery of the economy? Too bad it doesn't create Jobs http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatu...rowth_testimony
9. Budget surplus projections...have become a sea of red ink. http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/20...et/surplus.html
10. Bush thinks jobs leaving America is good: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04041/271362.stm
11. Tax cuts for the rich: increases income inequality that was already too severe.
12. Bush prescription drug benefit? Benefits Big Pharma, due to take effect 2006, drugs would be cheaper from Canada, but FDA sides with the drug industry to disallow such importation. Result: high drug prices, guaranteed profit to Pharma
13. No Child Left Behind: don't make me laugh. Unfunded mandate.
14. The environment: a nightmare record of siding with polluters and resource looters. Average new car fuel economy: down.
15. USA PATRIOT Act is a war on freedom in the guise of a war on terror.

I hope this list helps President Bush if anyone ever asks again if he can think of a mistake he made...

kharmajunkie · Aug 28, 2004, 11:32 pm

What happened to the topic? List W's mistakes.

Ran a small oil company into the ground in the 70's/80's
Owned the Texas Rangers and did nothing for them; including trading Sammy Sosa away. (thanks George, from chicago)
Was a male cheerleader in prep school. (gay guys don't admit to that)

Sonart · Aug 29, 2004, 01:22 pm

Quote:

This is my opinion, but I believe that Dubya has nothing to do with Rumsfeld. I don't think Dubya could just decide to fire Rumsfeld. I don't think he has the "power".

Donald Rumsfeld was appointed to Bush's cabinet by Bush and serves at the pleasure of the President. Bush can fire him at any time, but with such a high profile, standard procedure is to ask for their resignation under some pretext and then praise their magnificent service at the ensuing press conference.

PatrickHenry · Aug 29, 2004, 01:41 pm

That assumes that Bush has complete control of his administration. roxdog can't speak for himself anymore, but I think he meant that his opinion of Bush is that he doesn't call those shots. rox would likely say it would have to come from "higher up."

Young · Aug 29, 2004, 03:23 pm

Higher Up overseas...from the Home of Builderberger in Brittain. Kerry's plans would stem from the same place, where are Bush & kerry different other than the differences of their parties?

Sonart · Aug 29, 2004, 05:56 pm

Quote:

That assumes that Bush has complete control of his administration.

If it gets politically hot enough, Bush'll act. Rumsfeld may have tutored Boy George on the idea of invading Iraq, but Rummy still serves at the pleasure of Karl Rove... err... I mean, Dear Leader.

PatrickHenry · Oct 28, 2004, 02:27 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by PatrickHenry,
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0826-07.htm
1. "Miscalculation in Iraq" has claimed nearly a thousand Americans lives. Many thousand shattered US bodies and lives. Iraq civilians are dead and wounded.
2. War destabilized the region and undercut US security; Iraq now a recruiting ground for Islamic terrorists.
3. Cost of war so far: nearly 130 billion dollars. Borrowed money that your grandchildren will still be repaying with interest. http://costofwar.com/
4. Public opinions around the world: US is on nearly everyones blacklist.
5. Gas prices up due to instability. Corporate friends of Bush/Cheney reaping wonderful profits in Iraq. So there's a little fraud...
6. Authoritarians, not democracy in power in Iraq.
7. Prisoner mistreatment has shown American ideals of fairness are hollow.
8. Recovery of the economy? Too bad it doesn't create Jobs http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatu...rowth_testimony
9. Budget surplus projections...have become a sea of red ink. http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/20...et/surplus.html
10. Bush thinks jobs leaving America is good: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04041/271362.stm
11. Tax cuts for the rich: increases income inequality that was already too severe.
12. Bush prescription drug benefit? Benefits Big Pharma, due to take effect 2006, drugs would be cheaper from Canada, but FDA sides with the drug industry to disallow such importation. Result: high drug prices, guaranteed profit to Pharma
13. No Child Left Behind: don't make me laugh. Unfunded mandate.
14. The environment: a nightmare record of siding with polluters and resource looters. Average new car fuel economy: down.
15. USA PATRIOT Act is a war on freedom in the guise of a war on terror.

I hope this list helps President Bush if anyone ever asks again if he can think of a mistake he made...

Quoting myself, heh. But there is a new study by the Lancet, a British medical journal, which was mentioned on MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6354133/

Quote:

A survey of deaths in Iraqi households estimates that as many as 100,000 more people may have died throughout the country in the 18 months after the U.S. invasion than would be expected based on the death rate before the war.
<snip>
The survey indicated violence accounted for most of the extra deaths seen since the invasion, and air strikes from coalition forces caused most of the violent deaths, the researchers wrote in the British-based journal.

“Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children,” they said.

Oct 28, 2004, 07:04 pm

who voted 'no mistakes'? you've obviously never heard of 9/11, afghanistan, iraq, or the us economy. he butchered every subject.

View Poll Results: Do You think any mistakes were made?
Too many to count	24	70.59%
a few	6	17.65%
one	0	0%
none	4	11.76%
Voters: 34. You may not vote

May 8, 2004, 06:46 pm	#61 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	It's beginning to look like the appointment of Donald Rumsfeld was one of GW Bush's more outstanding mistakes. I guess he doesn't think so, but then he's not the brightest bulb in the pack. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

May 9, 2004, 10:15 pm	#65 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	I could vote for Russo. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

May 9, 2004, 11:43 pm	#66 (permalink) (top)
bugsbunny04 Untrained Fodder Location: Alabama Posts: 1,354	We should not forget that you are never voting for who is more good, but rather, who is less bad. That is the reality of our political system. Clean toe caps and a filthy mouth! Low morals and high morale!

May 11, 2004, 06:48 pm	#70 (permalink) (top)
Young Hot Lava Location: western NC Posts: 1,088	I plan to vote Nader, but He can't win because the electoral college cancels out the Popular...and if they don't like that result they control the supreme court. Puppet strings exist, but so does blackmale, and some know how to frame well. Young Young I guess all we've got Left......are these darned "Internets"

May 9, 2004, 12:38 pm	#62 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	This is my opinion, but I believe that Dubya has nothing to do with Rumsfeld. I don't think Dubya could just decide to fire Rumsfeld. I don't think he has the "power".

May 9, 2004, 03:25 pm	#63 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	I am also a Libertarian, and anti-King George. I voted to many to count, and I believe the record will speak for itself. I find myself shocked at how well Patrick Henry expresses my opinion in so many subjects, yet we advocate different candidates. I'm a Russo guy. I happen to think electing one more Democrat, or Republican will absolutely be the last straw. This country will implode with four more years of Skull, and Bones, or any other unconstitutional leadership. I would even vote Nader if thats what it took to unseat these tyrants. I scares me to think that the largest third party of all is virtually unknown to most Americans. http://www.russoforpresident.com http://freestateproject.org

May 9, 2004, 03:34 pm	#64 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	We're labeled as crazies for knowing history and asking questions...go figure.

Aug 28, 2004, 04:14 am	#71 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0826-07.htm 1. "Miscalculation in Iraq" has claimed nearly a thousand Americans lives. Many thousand shattered US bodies and lives. Iraq civilians are dead and wounded. 2. War destabilized the region and undercut US security; Iraq now a recruiting ground for Islamic terrorists. 3. Cost of war so far: nearly 130 billion dollars. Borrowed money that your grandchildren will still be repaying with interest. http://costofwar.com/ 4. Public opinions around the world: US is on nearly everyones blacklist. 5. Gas prices up due to instability. Corporate friends of Bush/Cheney reaping wonderful profits in Iraq. So there's a little fraud... 6. Authoritarians, not democracy in power in Iraq. 7. Prisoner mistreatment has shown American ideals of fairness are hollow. 8. Recovery of the economy? Too bad it doesn't create Jobs http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatu...rowth_testimony 9. Budget surplus projections...have become a sea of red ink. http://www.democrats.org/specialreports/20...et/surplus.html 10. Bush thinks jobs leaving America is good: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04041/271362.stm 11. Tax cuts for the rich: increases income inequality that was already too severe. 12. Bush prescription drug benefit? Benefits Big Pharma, due to take effect 2006, drugs would be cheaper from Canada, but FDA sides with the drug industry to disallow such importation. Result: high drug prices, guaranteed profit to Pharma 13. No Child Left Behind: don't make me laugh. Unfunded mandate. 14. The environment: a nightmare record of siding with polluters and resource looters. Average new car fuel economy: down. 15. USA PATRIOT Act is a war on freedom in the guise of a war on terror. I hope this list helps President Bush if anyone ever asks again if he can think of a mistake he made... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Aug 28, 2004, 11:32 pm	#72 (permalink) (top)
kharmajunkie year of the monkey Location: Milwaukee, Wi Posts: 663	What happened to the topic? List W's mistakes. Ran a small oil company into the ground in the 70's/80's Owned the Texas Rangers and did nothing for them; including trading Sammy Sosa away. (thanks George, from chicago) Was a male cheerleader in prep school. (gay guys don't admit to that) Sanity is the playground of the unimaginative. anonomous Words we say, never seem to live up to the ones inside our heads. Chris Cornell

Aug 29, 2004, 01:41 pm	#74 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	That assumes that Bush has complete control of his administration. roxdog can't speak for himself anymore, but I think he meant that his opinion of Bush is that he doesn't call those shots. rox would likely say it would have to come from "higher up." "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Aug 29, 2004, 03:23 pm	#75 (permalink) (top)
Young Hot Lava Location: western NC Posts: 1,088	Higher Up overseas...from the Home of Builderberger in Brittain. Kerry's plans would stem from the same place, where are Bush & kerry different other than the differences of their parties? Young I guess all we've got Left......are these darned "Internets"

Oct 28, 2004, 07:04 pm	#78 (permalink) (top)
Bob_Dobbs Guest Posts: n/a	who voted 'no mistakes'? you've obviously never heard of 9/11, afghanistan, iraq, or the us economy. he butchered every subject.