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Old Apr 23, 2004, 12:34 am   #1 (permalink) (top)
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The lobbyists who reside on K street in D.C. represent the Corporations that currently control Our Gov't. The way we change this, is to forcibly take that Power from them. How right? We start a Website and name it www.peoplesparty.org.
Then we look for like minded Republicans, Democrats, & Independents to run on Our Platform. The platform is simple, for each new member of the peoples party we'll set up a Website, where once they're Elected the people of their district can register. Once Your registered You'll receive email notice or regular mail if You so request of each Vote Your Representative will make 2 weeks in advance. The notification will accompany how Your Rep feels on the Issue as well as what the effects would be of both Yay & Nay Votes. Then You will be offered a quick vote format to express how You want Your Rep to Vote. Once You have chosen & Voted You'll receive a Receipt of Your Vote, the Final poll numbers, & how Your Rep Voted along with a follow Up word from Your Rep. So when these Lobbyists show up and offer Money, sure Your Rep can accept the Money..but will he get Re-Elected? If he wants to get Re-Elected he'll find a way to be with the Majority, on a Majority of the Votes. Once We get a Peoples Party Member to the Whitehouse, We set Up Line Item Vote for the House & Senate. At this point we're in control again, wouldn't that feel Great. This plan is possible, overdue, and Yes We deserve it. One day i'd invision a Voting Booth in Your Car, so that on Your way to work, if You so chose to participate you could turn on your Radio & hear Your Reps telling You the Issues of the day...and You could Vote Straight from Your car. I'm ready, are You?

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Old Apr 23, 2004, 07:25 am   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Heh.. true democracy.. mob rule...
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Old Apr 23, 2004, 07:30 am   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Mob's aren't Internet savy or politcally inclined. What is Sad is that Corporate control of Our Country is Our biggest problem, and No one has responded to my Plan in a serious way yet. It's like Your house is on Fire, I show up with the Fire Truck...and Your saying "Let it Burn".

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Old Apr 23, 2004, 02:08 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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What you propose would not take a party; it would take a Constitutional amendment.


The foundation of the Constitution is laid on the 10th Amendment. To take a single step beyond is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition - JEFFERSON
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Old Apr 23, 2004, 02:38 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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I don't think it would take a constitional ammendment, as it sounds entirely voluntary. However, I don't think it would be effective either.

Most people can't be bothered to watch CNN or Fox on a regular basis, how many are going to pay attention to the daily business of their congressman, state senator, and whole host of other democratically elected leaders.
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Old Apr 23, 2004, 02:45 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Thats what makes my Plan perfect, thanks for pointing that Out so I wouldn't have to. Your not Forced to do it, You do if You so choose! Look at The Poll that is offered here on this wonderful site we all enjoy, many Polls have more Posts than actual Votes. However, if these Polls were going to actually decide the debate...I bet You'd Vote then. Especially if You felt Your view was being represented. An Amendement just for the line item Vote, can You Imagine..No more BS spending put into Good legislation, Imagine the Ability to pick and choose the best parts of a Bill. Any Elected official, even at the Local Level could Use this format If they so Chose.

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Old Apr 23, 2004, 02:49 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Heh.. true democracy.. mob rule...
"Mob rule" is usually perpetuated by a provocateur...
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Old Apr 23, 2004, 04:09 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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Thats what makes my Plan perfect, thanks for pointing that Out so I wouldn't have to. Your not Forced to do it, You do if You so choose! Look at The Poll that is offered here on this wonderful site we all enjoy, many Polls have more Posts than actual Votes. However, if these Polls were going to actually decide the debate...I bet You'd Vote then. Especially if You felt Your view was being represented. An Amendement just for the line item Vote, can You Imagine..No more BS spending put into Good legislation, Imagine the Ability to pick and choose the best parts of a Bill. Any Elected official, even at the Local Level could Use this format If they so Chose.

Young
What is With the Strange capitalizaTion?

Maybe this will be more viable in 20 years, but the politicians of today are never going to bother. They LIKE being isolated and unaccountable, and the "masses" that could influence them otherwise are NOT internet savvy, they're mostly the Boomers and older. 20 years from now, the demographics wil be different.

And you are Going to Drive me craZY with your Caps. Can you at least give a Reason for It?
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Old Apr 23, 2004, 05:10 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
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Sorry Young but I can't support your proposal
First of all I don't believe true democracy is a preferable form of government. We are already seeing what can happen when the populace finds out it can vote itself money from the treasury.
Second. I do believer a Constitutional Republic is the prefered form of government. We need to get back to what the founding fathers had in mind. I do agree that corporations, Unions, and PACs have an inordinant amount of control over the Agendas is Legislatures accross the country. I think this influence could be curbed by a change in the tax code.
Thirdly, control over legislators can be accomplished by displaying their current voting records constantly, not just during voting season. I send E-mails to my Reps anytime I have something to say. I ALWAYS get a response and an explanation of their position on the issue in question.
Lastly, the general populace does not pay much attention to what's going on in Washington. Public opinion is largely established by what information is presented by the media, and we all know how slanted, right or left, media outlets can be. Also, much of what happens is never reported and you have to dig through sources to find quality information.
Lastly, there is information regarding the opperation of government that should not become public knowledge. Regarding those types of decisions, our reps should be allowed to act responsibly in our interrests.
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Old Apr 23, 2004, 05:35 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
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I've always wondered why the candidates for presidency are allowed to take *huge* sums of money from corporations. Not only does the US spend more than all the world together on it's military, it also spends more than the rest of the world together on it's political campaigns. This, combined with a collective effort to smear as much dirt on the opposition and it's candidates while appearing as 'moral' as possible yourself and you've got a recepy which creates 2 kinds of people: party zealots, who don't believe or respect -anything- the other party tells them, thus making any normal discussion impossible. And skeptics, who just think no matter who wins, it will ALL be very bad. No wonder it generates so much noise every few years. And most of that noise is just moving air without meaning.
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Old Apr 23, 2004, 07:35 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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Originally posted by Young,
The lobbyists who reside on K street in D.C. represent the Corporations that currently control Our Gov't. The way we change this, is to forcibly take that Power from them. How right? We start a Website and name it www.peoplesparty.org.

Then we look for like minded Republicans, Democrats, & Independents to run on Our Platform.
Why don't you just vote democrat? If they gain enough power there won't be any more corporations in America.
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Old Apr 23, 2004, 07:55 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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Grainger the caps are for emphasis.
Dave this platform wil require the Country to be smarter & become more involved, & Your Rep shouldn't Make Money off not representing You, Everything won't be known...they'll still have the ability to secure Our foreign policy. Media will be required to show both sides.
Tusaki, I don't believe that should happen either, that's why I'm trying to create a better system that serves Us, Not Special Intrests.
Kyran A Democrat got Us into Nafta & the WTO yes, But a Republican hasn't gotten Us out of it.

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Old Apr 23, 2004, 08:26 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
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Young if you want to end corporate/power bloc, control over government, you need to remove governments ability to enrich these entities. You focus on corporations but the fact is there are numerous other types of power blocs that sponge off the public till. One way these groups benefit from government is through the tax codes. Politicians are currently able to grant tax breaks to those entities that support them. CHANGE THE TAX CODES to relieve politicians of this ablitity.
Politicians are also able to help their constituents by directly providing monetary awards. Again relieve the politicians of this ability. Lastly, and this is huge, companies will lobby for protectionistic legislation, eg. tarrifs, licensing, etc. Again releive the politicians of this ability. These actions are not sanctioned by the constitution and should be stopped.
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Old Apr 30, 2004, 11:29 am   #14 (permalink) (top)
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U.S. Citizens have the power to control their governments. The problems, mostly, are citizens do not know what their true power over government is and the purpose of their government.

Yes, U.S. citizens are conned into voluntarily giving up their freedom and wear the chains of bondage by continuously fighting among themselves over political issues that are not of their sphere of influence.

In America, the Republic, there is only one political issue in citizen’s sphere of influence to “will” government bidding. That one proper “will” of the People is that their Representative honors the oath of office. It is a Law in the Constitution (Article VI, last paragraph) that everyone in government elected office, and all judges, take an oath, or affirm, to support the Constitution. Citizens cannot rightly/correctly ask, much less demand, anyone in any government position do anything contrary to that oath.
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Old Apr 30, 2004, 04:42 pm   #15 (permalink) (top)
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I think it'll be simpler to amend the Constitution to include initiative, referendum, and recall. California has become infamous for that, especially after the Davis recall, but the overall effect appears to be positive.


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Old May 1, 2004, 05:37 pm   #16 (permalink) (top)
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Well after reading a lot of these posts....thank God for corporations. I would hate to think of what a crappy place this would be to live if the government ran everything.


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