Pride in Ameirca.

[syracusa]

Quote by: Zhavric Pride Sloth Gluttony Lust Envy Wrath Vanity Americans are afflicted with all 7 deadly sins. Worse, most Americans have memetically conditioned themselves to be prideful of their sins. It's really sickening.

So true.

[Fonceai]

Pride in America...

For myself, I love what America represents. I love the idea of America. I was willing to give my life to defend America and all 300 million of its confused, belligerent, noble, wicked, intelligent, biggoted citizens.

Other Americans can't see past the failings of gov't and still be proud of their country. They think "pride" means "support" and that isn't the same thing.

Our politicians act in a way that follows partisan politics and personal interests, not out of loyalty to the wants and needs of the majority of their constituents.

That behavior disgusts Americans and makes them dislike "America" and I can't necessarily blame for them for that dislike, even though it is misguided.

[Cephus]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Everything is in usable condition, why do you think people evacuate large areas in Europe when they come across old stuff?

Funny, the EXPERTS say it wasn't in usable condition, but I guess some guy posting on a bulletin board knows better than the experts, huh?

Plus we get back to Saddam attempting to assassinate an American President and paying the families of Terrorist $25,000 to blow themselves up in Israel.

Neither of which were stated reasons to go to war, nor were either any legitimate reason to go to war regardless. But Bush went into office with an agenda, he had his people looking for reasons to invade Iraq and take out Saddam from day one, long before his reason presented itself 10 months later. Bush is just out dick-waving because someone tried to take out his daddy. What a wanker.

I could go on and on and on with the facts, but you guys want to rant IMO, facts be damned.

You'd actually have to have a fact first, but so far, you've had your head handed to you at every turn. Try actually coming up with something worthwhile to say.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: underbear1 I'd like you to prove that ANY school system is teaching fisting, give the names of the schools.

It wasn't schools teaching it themselves, I think it was state approved gay groups coming in to teach tolerance training.
It was in the news a few years back, a kid recorded the session and the parents had a cow and exposed it in the news.
The schools of course resonded to the leftist teachers in schools and warped activists teaching tolerance by passing rules for schools not allowing recordings.

IMO, everything funded by the public like that especially directed towards children should have the legal possiblility to be recoreded... ALL OF IT!

FISTGATE
FISTGATE

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: Cephus Funny, the EXPERTS say it wasn't in usable condition, but I guess some guy posting on a bulletin board knows better than the experts, huh? Neither of which were stated reasons to go to war, nor were either any legitimate reason to go to war regardless. But Bush went into office with an agenda, he had his people looking for reasons to invade Iraq and take out Saddam from day one, long before his reason presented itself 10 months later. Bush is just out dick-waving because someone tried to take out his daddy. What a wanker. You'd actually have to have a fact first, but so far, you've had your head handed to you at every turn. Try actually coming up with something worthwhile to say.

WMD


Funny, only the liberals agree with you and EXPERTS don't!

[underbear1]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Quote by: underbear1 I'd like you to prove that ANY school system is teaching fisting, give the names of the schools. It wasn't schools teaching it themselves, I think it was state approved gay groups coming in to teach tolerance training. It was in the news a few years back, a kid recorded the session and the parents had a cow and exposed it in the news. The schools of course resonded to the leftist teachers in schools and warped activists teaching tolerance by passing rules for schools not allowing recordings. IMO, everything funded by the public like that especially directed towards children should have the legal possiblility to be recoreded... ALL OF IT! FISTGATE FISTGATE

Oh please this is Christian broadcasting network quoting Sean Hannity and Alan Keyes, none of the above qualify as news services or have a shread of credibility...............ya might as well as thrown in Bill O'Reilly's WAR on CHRISTMAS..............ROFLMQAO!

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: underbear1 Oh please this is Christian broadcasting network quoting Sean Hannity and Alan Keyes, none of the above qualify as news services or have a shread of credibility...............ya might as well as thrown in Bill O'Reilly's WAR on CHRISTMAS..............ROFLMQAO!

It wasn't Christian Broadcasting, not that if it were you should be laughing over such a thing.

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That aside, here are different links to other similar perversions being brought to school students regarding fisting and other stuff.

Fistgate to be Held Again on March 15
Teenagers Taught by Public Schools How to Play with Sexual Organs of Other Students

Fistgate Teachers Knew They Were Violating Trust
The teachers at Fistgate knew that the public would not approve what they were teaching to the children about graphic homosexual sex, one of those teachers revealed last month.

“[W]e flew sort of below the radar screen for a long time,” Margot Abels told Boston’s homosexual newspaper, Bay Windows.

She taught sex to the children because she thought she knew better than the parents what should be taught to them. She says she had the support of state officials during her seven years at the state Department of Education.

“We always knew that we were working in an area that in certain places was considered really controversial and we also knew that we were doing cutting edge work and that there are plenty of people that don’t support doing work with gay kids. But I think that we flew sort of below the radar screen for a long time and were able to, and had the complete support of our agency. Maybe David Driscoll [Commissioner of Education] didn’t always know everything that we did, but certainly our supervisors did,” said Abels.

She added that she and Julie Netherland, another teacher at Fistgate, always had the “absolute support” of their immediate supervisors.
IMAGINE IF THIS WAS ABOUT GOD???? THE LIBERALS WOULD SHRIEK!

Homosexual Teacher Trying to Hide What She Told Students at Fistgate
Source: The Massachusetts News
Published: July 30, 2001 Author: Ed Oliver
The lawyers for the homosexual teacher who sued two parents for revealing what happened at Fistgate in March 2000 are trying to hide what really did occur at the scandal.

They asked the judge last Friday at a preliminary hearing in Boston’s Suffolk Superior Court to limit what questions can be asked of the teacher by the defendant parents, Brian Camenker and Scott Whiteman.

The plaintiff’s lawyer, Bennett Klein of GLAD (Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders), told Judge Judith Fabricant that his client has only one narrow claim, that the secret taping by the parents violated the Massachusetts wiretap law. He said that because of the narrowness of her complaint, the content of the tapes should not be discussed. “The legislature intended that all secret recording should be prohibited,” said Klein, adding that the content of the workshop is “not relevant.”

But Camenker’s attorney, Robert Roughsedge, told the judge “They’re doing everything they can to keep this information from getting out.” Roughsedge cited a recent United States Supreme Court ruling that said there is a First Amendment right to distribute an illegally obtained recording if it is in the public interest. He said the Massachusetts wiretap statute does not trump the First Amendment.

Regarding GLAD’s attempt to quash any discovery of what went on at Fistgate, Roughsedge said every Supreme Court First Amendment decision is based on the facts as they bear on the defendant’s actions. He said he couldn’t see how the court could say at this point that the defendants do not deserve to have any discovery that may lead to a defense.

Atty. Roughsedge pointed out, “It is a crime in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to encourage minors that were in attendance at this conference to conduct the sexual acts that they actually were enticed and encouraged to conduct. That’s a crime; You can’t avoid it.”

Atty. Darling Says Reporting ‘Child Abuse’ Is Not a Crime

Scott Whiteman, the parent who actually recorded the session, was represented by Chester Darling. It is not contested that Whiteman taped the session, but Darling argued that his whole defense would be wiped out by prohibiting discovery about what was said at the workshop. Whiteman’s defense is based on the doctrine of “necessity and justification” and argues that a person reporting child abuse shall not be liable for such a report.

The necessity defense justifies conduct which is criminal on its face, but which promotes some value higher than the value of literal compliance with the law. It is based on the theory that sometimes the greater good for society will be accomplished by violating the literal language of the law.

Darling said Whiteman’s motivation for taping the sex workshop was to gather proof of systematic child abuse with the purpose of putting an end to it. He said nobody would believe Whiteman and the Parents Rights Coalition when they tried to report to authorities what was being taught to children by state-sponsored gay activists.

He argued that the Dept. of Education and gay activists such as the plaintiff, Julie Netherland, were exposing the children to unsafe sex practices at the workshop, such as sadomasochism, and giving the youngsters other harmful advice. He said that constitutes child abuse and the parents want it stopped.

“Fourteen year-old children don’t have the ability to come to some sort of agreement where they won’t tell anyone [about what was discussed at the workshop]”, said Darling. “This is the profile of a pedophile. The Commonwealth is a pedophile is what emerges from this sad, nasty set of facts. These children were told by this plaintiff and others, that ‘we are going to keep whatever happens in this room a secret.’ They then proceeded to show those children a better technique for ‘fisting,’ which is thrusting one’s arm up another person’s rectum or vagina.”

Attorney Klein responded that Whiteman cannot come close to meeting the threshold requirement of the necessity defense. He said Whiteman admitted in his deposition that he was not trying to prevent a crime from being committed against the 30 children in the room but was trying to protect all Massachusetts children in the future. Klein said the state SJC has ruled that trying to prevent future harm does not excuse a current violation of the law that was committed in anticipation of the eventual over-all benefit to the public. There must be a threat of “imminent harm,” he said.

Darling says it is still to be decided whether the workshop was illegally recorded. Mr.Whiteman paid admission, he said, and should have been able to record the state-sponsored seminar that was open to the public.

More than one source and incident!
by GBA

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica WMD Funny, only the liberals agree with you and EXPERTS don't!

I read your article, and I saw no mention of whether the 500 shells were viable. What it did say however was that they were pre-1991 leftovers and had been considered rather distainfully by the group sent to look for WMD's. if anything your own link proves how utterly meritless your argument actually is.

Saddam had tons of weapons created for his various military exploits prior to 1991. We were also told that saddam had been constructing them post 1991, that intellegence services knew exactly where they were and that unless Saddam was dealt with these weapons would be a threat to us or our allies.

500 hundred museum pieces, do not account for the tons of WMD's that were used as the main argument for the invasion of Iraq. We, in short were taken to war on inaccurate information. I don't know if that was deliberate lying, I doubt it, I am sure that the intel certainly suggested that Saddam was laughing at Hans Blix, etc. But the findings post-war create different conclusions. Perhaps the weapons never existed, were destroyed, lost, stolen, moved, whatever. But the point is we were made promises that the Bush administration and the Blair government have failed to live upto.

[underbear1]

Maybe if the above article had a bit of truth they'd know the Gay Lesbian Association Against Defamation, GLAAD has two A's.................duh!

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: Chris the Chees Quote by: GodBlessAmerica WMD Funny, only the liberals agree with you and EXPERTS don't! I read your article, and I saw no mention of whether the 500 shells were viable. What it did say however was that they were pre-1991 leftovers and had been considered rather distainfully by the group sent to look for WMD's. if anything your own link proves how utterly meritless your argument actually is. Saddam had tons of weapons created for his various military exploits prior to 1991. We were also told that saddam had been constructing them post 1991, that intellegence services knew exactly where they were and that unless Saddam was dealt with these weapons would be a threat to us or our allies. 500 hundred museum pieces, do not account for the tons of WMD's that were used as the main argument for the invasion of Iraq. We, in short were taken to war on inaccurate information. I don't know if that was deliberate lying, I doubt it, I am sure that the intel certainly suggested that Saddam was laughing at Hans Blix, etc. But the findings post-war create different conclusions. Perhaps the weapons never existed, were destroyed, lost, stolen, moved, whatever. But the point is we were made promises that the Bush administration and the Blair government have failed to live upto.

YOU COULD NOT HAVE READ THE ARTICLE AND MISSED WHAT WAS PRINTED BELOW.

"We do assess that the chemical munitions that have been found are hazardous, and potentially they could be lethal," Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency, testified. "The chemicals that are contained in the munitions that are referred to in this report are capable of creating mass casualties."

Col. John Chiu, commander of the National Ground Intelligence Center, which is conducting the WMD search in Iraq, told the Armed Services committee that, "The munitions that we're finding, the agents within those munitions are still toxic, and if exposed to enough of a degree, would prove to be lethal. ... They do constitute weapons of mass destruction."

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: underbear1 Maybe if the above article had a bit of truth they'd know the Gay Lesbian Association Against Defamation, GLAAD has two A's.................duh!

Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders (GLAD)

[underbear1]

potentially they could be lethal

same could be said about running with scissors


or swimming before an hour after eating, but we don't engage our full military forces, and a trillion dollars to fix it.
The weapons inspectors who were in charge of looking for WMD discovered many of these old mustard gas canisters, and expected there were more buried after the iraq-iran war, but if they were to contact a person's skin they'd give the equivalent burn as a sunburn. They are also very inefficient weapons ( even when the mustard gas is FRESH) because mustard gas is heavier than air, and tends to drift back and kill those who shot the rocket, many Iranians learned this the hard way.

[Chris the Chees]

Oh shit, look the experts don't seem to be agreeing with you here: -

"The ISG believes that any remaining chemical munitions in Iraq do not pose a militarily significant threat to coalition forces because the agent and munitions are degraded and there are not enough extant to cause mass casualties," Mr. Duelfer wrote.

Should pay more attention.

[Fonceai]

The truth behind what happened in Iraq is pretty simple.

They had all the part necessary to make WMDs: the munitions and the delivery system.

But due to delays with the U.N. they had to time to take those parts and destroy them or turn them into something else.

So by the time the U.S. told the U.N. to shove it and went in anyway, the WMDs were gone and the world looked at the U.S. and said, "Told ya so."

The American public finds this hard to believe because it was never published in any news story, nor will the people having such knowledge be allowed to be on TV. Someday, in 20 years or so, when some military person is writing memoirs, it will come out.

Until then, the people believe what they want to believe. They can either accuse their gov't of conspiracy and deception, or maybe have some faith that politicians wouldn't just risk 100,000 military members on a lie.

[Chris the Chees]

The truth behind what happened in Iraq is pretty simple.

If it hasn't come out yet then how do you know?

But due to delays with the U.N. they had to time to take those parts and destroy them or turn them into something else.

Which is exactly what Saddam was supposed to do anyway.

[underbear1]

politicians wouldn't just risk 100,000 military members on a lie. :rolleyes:

[Fonceai]

Quote by: Chris If it hasn't come out yet then how do you know?

I was there.

Looking at the pieces of a WMD is like looking at the pieces of a gun or a knife.

You know what it's supposed to be and what it's used for.

There was also protective gear used when working with biological and chemical agents.

Quote by: Chris Which is exactly what Saddam was supposed to do anyway.

Agreed.

I think the problem is that Saddam said he never had any.

So yes, he ended up doing what the U.N. wanted, but because he had denied even having WMDs, he couldn't say, "Screw you! They're all dismantled and disabled now!!"

[grandpa]

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Everything is in usable condition, why do you think people evacuate large areas in Europe when they come across old stuff?

Safety measures?

Quote by: GodBlessAmerica Plus we get back to Saddam attempting to assassinate an American President and paying the families of Terrorist $25,000 to blow themselves up in Israel.

Even if this assassination attempt were true (which I have serious doubts about, seeing as to how I've never seen any evidence thsi actually happened), should Americans die together along with the rest of the world because of assassination attempts and alleged weapons getting moved to Syria?
And, of course, you highlight Saddam paying terrorists, yet it's perfectly find for taxpayers to pay to have people killed by US bombs.

Grandpa h.