Document Details WMD Recovered In Iraq

[Apeman81]

Document Details WMD Recovered In Iraq,

(CNSNews.com) - Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) announced Wednesday the finding of over 500 munitions or weapons of mass destruction, specifically "sarin- and mustard-filled projectiles," in Iraq.

Reading from unclassified portions of a document developed by the U.S. intelligence community, Santorum said, "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

According to Santorum, "That means in addition to the 500, there are filled and unfilled munitions still believed to exist within the country."
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It should be interesting to follow this story.

Thoughts?

[Plasma Snake[D]]

My thoughts? Completely absurb to think about the mentality surrounding this incident. We are invading them, and them having those types of weapons justifies it? How about the fact that the US has probably a hundred times this many weapons. Just because we think they are "towel wearing terrorists" doesnt mean they are savages. But hey, anything for a buck is what I say. I would have done the same thing, honestly. Morals, ethics, and values mean nothing in the desert of the real.

[Technosoul]

Of course, in conformity with U.N. demands Saddam prepared documents about the outdated and degraded (no longer useful as the bio stuff was expired) which he had distroyed or burried in oder to get rid of them. Don't know why such documents were classifed when everyone else in the world knows about Saddam's claims anyway. The documents only indicate that Saddam was upfront and honest about the bio chemical and chemical weapon supplies that were supplied by England with the intended purpose of use upon Iran. (or for testing purposes).

If the Republicans wish to twist those documents to make believe they confirm what Bush had claimed, then they are way off base. (as would be expected).

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Technosoul Of course, in conformity with U.N. demands Saddam prepared documents about the outdated and degraded (no longer useful as the bio stuff was expired) which he had distroyed or burried in oder to get rid of them. Don't know why such documents were classifed when everyone else in the world knows about Saddam's claims anyway. The documents only indicate that Saddam was upfront and honest about the bio chemical and chemical weapon supplies that were supplied by England with the intended purpose of use upon Iran. (or for testing purposes). If the Republicans wish to twist those documents to make believe they confirm what Bush had claimed, then they are way off base. (as would be expected).

Did Saddam prepare the documents while denying the inspectors ability to inspect?

And you know the purported documents were referring to the weapons now in question?

[Apeman81]

Moved? How is this not "Breaking News"?

[rmnunez]

I don't think these

approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent

would be that "smoking gun". Nothing short of fully functional long-range missiles with fins, loaded with deadly toxic chemical, biological and nuclear materials of unimaginable destructive capacity would suffice. I do wonder about the specificity of the characterization of these recovered weapons as "Pre Gulf War", maybe the source is concerned over whether the weapons were actually precluded at some point over their useful life.

[Matt W]

Link found on Fox (where else ), moving this back....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

[RickSp]

Three years, 2507 dead, 20,000 wounded, hundreds of billions wasted, a deepening quagmire and a growing civil war and this is the best you've got? Degraded sarin and mustard gas. Old shells with traces of degraded nerve gas? That's it?

Just demonstrates the fundamental point - Saddam was no threat imminent threat to the US as claimed. The war was unneccessary and illegal.

[Scribbler1]

Why is this information released NOW and not when Bush really needed it? He was supposed to have all this information a LONG time ago.

And I have a hard time buying this "recently declassified" crap. We have been told these weapons were there long ago, so why classify info they were already TELLING us.

And of course, the source is Rick Santorum. Nuff said.

[Osborn F Enready]

Apeman, was this a joke?

That is supposed to justify a war?

PLEASE!

[Boetie]

This serves as a good demonstration on how psychotic the current administration is, If this was indeed classified information. The demonstration proves that when given raw data the current administration will build an elaborate story around it.

It works like this. Give them a picture of a man with a knife in his hand and say, "tell me what you think."

The current administration will start building this elaborate story such as, the man is going to cut my garden hose, weapon of mass destruction, mushroom clouds, we have to kill the man before he kills us ie pre-emptive strike, he's out to get me.

A sane person would have responded, "it's a picture of a man with a knife in his hand."

[brien]

Desperate people do desperate things.

[Zeebadee]

Almost the same story on the Fox website, but Fox included a line conveniently left out of the version linked to above:

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

Who says the media doesn't use careful editing to slant a story ??

[Chris]

heh...

Even if it is true (coming from CNS News ) It doesn't prove how Iraq was a threat to the US.

[jose]

"There is a story circulating that these canisters are largely empty or that the contents are no longer potent and long since expired," stated Senator Lieberman. "This is a dangerous assumption to be making. As you can see, on this particular canister, it is clearly marked that the contents will remain potent through 2008."
"We have further evidence," continued Santorum," that the insurgency in Iraq has been clandestinely hording stockpiles in refrigerated devices throughout the country

[bishop]

this story's good food for apologist bushbots, but is hardly persuasive as far as i'm concerned.. this is no smoking gun, not even close. it's pathetic really..

i'm reminded of all the bullshit speeches bush and cheney would give, warning us about mushroom clouds linked to iraq's wmd programs (which weren't active for at least a decade)... big lofty, fear-mongering rhetoric - mixed in with bogus intelligence like the crap powell spewed at the u.n...

and what do these pleebs offer to justify this war? some dusty, nearly useless weapons.. from santorum's own chapped lips:

"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.

hazardous and potentially lethal.. that is a far cry from the end of the world bullshit they all preached in the months leading up to the war. (and on a side note: here in the boston area, we refer to santorum as a mixture of cum and shit oozing out of a gay man's ass post-intercourse. it's out little term of endearment.)

from the part preceeding zeeb's quote/post:

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

not in useable conditions..


well, after all is said and done, i guess the threats posed by iraq's unuseable weapons were large enough to justify this massive/endless nation-building quagmire... riiiight..

[gr8fuldaniel]

Defense Dept. Slams Santorum For WMD Claims
Link includes video option.

Crooks and Liars Colmes: It's Alan Colmes. Senator, the Iraq Survey Group, uhh, let me go to the Duelfer Report-says Iraq did not have the weapons our intelligence believed were there. And Jim Angle who reported this for Fox News-quotes a defense official who says these were pre-1991 weapons that could not have been fired as designed because they already been degraded. And the official went on to say that they are-these are not the WMD's this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had-and not the WMD's for which this country went to war. So the chest beating that the Republicans are doing tonight thinking this is a justification is not confirmed by the defense department. Santorum: Well, ahh, I'd like to know who that is. The fact of the matter is I'll wait and see what the actual Defense Department formally says or more importantly what the administration formally says. This report...

[gr8fuldaniel]

Keep in mind, Santorum may have been "set-up" for bucking the Imperial Agenda on immigration.

link Republican Sen. Rick Santorum voted against an immigration bill backed by President Bush

My favorite hobby is watching "Republicans Eating Their Own" when the Party bucks the Globalists, and vice-versa.

Edit to add:
But I will always be opposed to them killing puppies, kittens and bunny rabbits. And eating babies for lunch.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Is that tacky? Maybe I should un-edit that last post.

I didnt say they do that, just that I am opposed to it.

I will let it stand on its own merit. Provided it has any. Ok, thats enough coffee for me

[Apeman81]

Wow! Seems a story about WMDs found in Iraq receives a bit more skepticism than a report of American soldiers killing an Iraqi man and staging the scene to make the man look like an insurgent.