Expensive meats and food stamps

[Chris]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe Quote by: Mia Would you feel better if they bought junk food? On the amount given, you can be sure that they are not eating expensive meats often, and/or they are running out of food at the end of the month because of it. I saw lots of homeless people and such in Phoenix. One guy who had been eating out of food pantries and such got his food stamps and immediately got good meat because he hadn't for months been able to have it. I didn't see anything wrong with that. I think it's ok for them to eat whatever they want. Sometimes people do need help, especially the children, so if they have an opportunity to eat a good cut of meat so be it. They may never get to eat in a fancy restaurant or have other niceties, so a little luxury isn't important to me or that it comes from my pocket. I expect to have to help some with my tax dollars, it's part of living in this great country. I never see that many people using food stamps, and I grocery shop 2 to 3 times a week.

geez, You and I both live in TN and I see them ALL the time! at each visit.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: greeneyedgirl ...1/4 of my paycheck is going to subsidize them. For all the bleeding hearts on here, does it please you that the first day and a half of your work week is spent working so that some welfare queen can cover her fat...

Umm...Do you realize that most Federal tax expenditures go for stuff other than Federal food stamp programs and income support?

I wouldn't try to defend federal aid to the lazy, but that isn't what's pushing the budget into the Red Sea...

[greeneyedgirl]

Quote by: Mia I didn't say they should have more children. Part of the problem here is that there are different reasons people get food stamps/welfare. One person may be thinking on a junkie and another may be thinking about a widow with 5 kids. Food Stamps are the easiest to qualify. A single adult with no kids can get them. The thinking seems to be that everyone deserves to at least eat. However, an able bodied adult is required to work to receive benefits. I highle doubt that many people have kids for the welfare benefits, since they don't get nearly enough to pay the way of the child.

I do not deem junkies worthy of receiving my tax dollars either. That person had a choice the first time he picked up a heroin needle or a crack pipe. It should not be mine or any one else's responsibility to feed them. As for a widow with five kids - I at least can sympathize with that. That is an event out of a persons control.

And yes, many, many women have kids for welfare benefits. In the state I used to live in, I had to deal with them on a regular basis. The recieved approximately $400-700 in welfare checks per month, depending on how many kids, $169 - $400 in food stamps per month, $159 - $1000 in child support a month. Now, this may not sound like a lot, but with housing rental vouchers, they only had to pay anywhere from $18 - 160 a month for rent. All their utilities were taken care of except for phone and cable. They had health insurance and access to other government freebies. So in reality, they were and are living pretty high on the hog.

[greeneyedgirl]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Quote by: greeneyedgirl ...1/4 of my paycheck is going to subsidize them. For all the bleeding hearts on here, does it please you that the first day and a half of your work week is spent working so that some welfare queen can cover her fat... Umm...Do you realize that most Federal tax expenditures go for stuff other than Federal food stamp programs and income support? I wouldn't try to defend federal aid to the lazy, but that isn't what's pushing the budget into the Red Sea...

Yes, you are right. Not every penny of our tax dollars are being siphoned off into welfare - I am well aware of that and perhaps got a little carried away in my above post. However, I don't want one penny of my hard earned money going to these people. We have very high tax rates in NYC, and a lot of our money does go to welfare and other social programs. We have a high "degeneracy" rate here that puts a lot of strain on our city budget. Just to give you an example, in many immigrant neighborhoods here ( especially Queens) people hold seminars to educate new arrivals to this country on how to get welfare. Stuff like that disgusts me. We have a huge illegal immigrant population here and our tax dollars pay for their English lessons, their native language education in school, their healthcare, etc. We hand out millions, billions of dollars a year for social programs to help the poor, the addicted, the illegal, and the degenerate, yet many of our libraries have shut down or have been forced to reduce their hours, firehouses in some neighborhoods are now defunct, trash pick-up has been reduced, new police recruits pay has been slashed, etc.

[Mia]

Quote by: Milton Bradley I worked at a meat cutting school in the inner city ( ghetto ) setting, and not many can attest to this fact more than I. ( We sold perfectly good meat that was cut by students practicing to become butchers. )

So it was at a discount? And you resented people with food stamps buying it?

With the max benefit being about $150/month for one person, they are not eating better than a middle class person. With a family, the max benefit comes down to $100 per person, and not everyone gets the max.

[Mia]

Quote by: greeneyedgirl I do not deem junkies worthy of receiving my tax dollars either. That person had a choice the first time he picked up a heroin needle or a crack pipe. It should not be mine or any one else's responsibility to feed them. As for a widow with five kids - I at least can sympathize with that. That is an event out of a persons control. And yes, many, many women have kids for welfare benefits. In the state I used to live in, I had to deal with them on a regular basis. The recieved approximately $400-700 in welfare checks per month, depending on how many kids, $169 - $400 in food stamps per month, $159 - $1000 in child support a month. Now, this may not sound like a lot, but with housing rental vouchers, they only had to pay anywhere from $18 - 160 a month for rent. All their utilities were taken care of except for phone and cable. They had health insurance and access to other government freebies. So in reality, they were and are living pretty high on the hog.

I understand what you are saying, but it takes years to get HUD housing, unless you are living in a car or something, and even then there is a wait. If you have child support, you don't get welfare anymore, unless you get a pittance, and welfare benefits don't last forever.

So this is not a viable method of long-term support.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: twoanickel Be careful now. You don't want to upset the bleeding heart liberals, the indolent, and the slavers. Many decent people never buy expensive waters, half gallons of Haagan Daaz, or NY strip steaks. But what the heck! Tough luck for the children of honest people. Their daddies have to buy goodies for the worthless

I don't think hardly anybody is truly honest all the time.

Most people who are poor generally have a reason, and it may be inadequate education, bad genes, whatever. They may be lazy but I see a lot of poor people working too, and hard, for very little money. You can work and still get food stamps. Where I work almost everybody has two jobs, and I would bet some are getting the earned income credit but they can't make it even working hard. This is what I see, and all jobs where I work are hard physical jobs. You can only do physical so long and you wear out. That's what has happened to me. I have arthritis so bad I can hardly walk, but I continue to work.

From my experience you don't know anothers situation, so it's a bad idea to judge.

I'm fairly conservative, too, by the way.

[Osborn F Enready]

Mia said: I'm glad they have this program, and I wish we did drug-screening so the addicts' only choice for assistance is rehab.

I say:
Ack....

I totally disagree with the program, and especially any of this talk of more FORCED drug screening.

Greeneyedgirl said: Instead of handing them foodstamps every month to fritter away on expensive food, the government should make people on welfare take agriculture & food preservation/canning classes, hand them some seeds, and tell them to go plant their own food and tend to their crops. At least that way they would be working for their food.

I say:
Wow, that sounds very libertarian of you, which is why I agree completely. Welcome to the forum. The only reason our current government would never do this, is it would encourage land ownership rights and individual responsibility, two things the government is slowly trying to abolish.

Give a man a fish, he eats tonight. Teach a man to fish and he eats for life.

Patrick said: I wouldn't try to defend federal aid to the lazy, but that isn't what's pushing the budget into the Red Sea...

I say:
It may not be Pat, but it surely is part of it, and it surely is as unconstitutional as the complaints you have about this government.

As they say about referees..... I don't care what you call a foul, but let's be consistent about it damnit!

The littany of offenses to the Constitution committed by this government range all scope of government authority, and then some. Social aid, and welfare programs are but one small piece of a large pie made of corruption, to extort operating money for the corrupt system under the guise of legality, rendering the voice and intent of the people useless.

[RickSp]

The Food Stamp program is out of control. It has grown fastest during the Bush administration, by the way. Nevertheless, it seems mean spirited at least to complain about whether or not food stamp recipients buy certain cuts of meat. (Not to say un-Christian, as well.)

Of course the strongest supporter of Food Stamps has been the farm state congressmen and senators who view it as a yet another subsidy to agra-business. And as bloated as the Food Stamp program has become it is equal in dollar terms to a few months spending in Iraq. Personally I think feeding people may be more important than killing them.

[twoanickel]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Umm...Do you realize that most Federal tax expenditures go for stuff other than Federal food stamp programs and income support? I wouldn't try to defend federal aid to the lazy, but that isn't what's pushing the budget into the Red Sea...

Good point Patrick Henry. Education is high on the list of expenditures, and as is typical of the government's lack of ability to perform, the schools can't even educate children anymore. Now the National Education Association has agreed to begin indoctrinating and recommending homosexuality as a reputable lifestyle for school children. Those #!!X*'s.
Damnable, cursed anti-christ's. And those people who claim to be Christian and yet let such monsters have access to their children are just as wicked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[twoanickel]

Quote by: greeneyedgirl Yes, you are right. Not every penny of our tax dollars are being siphoned off into welfare - I am well aware of that and perhaps got a little carried away in my above post. However, I don't want one penny of my hard earned money going to these people. We have very high tax rates in NYC, and a lot of our money does go to welfare and other social programs. We have a high "degeneracy" rate here that puts a lot of strain on our city budget. Just to give you an example, in many immigrant neighborhoods here ( especially Queens) people hold seminars to educate new arrivals to this country on how to get welfare. Stuff like that disgusts me. We have a huge illegal immigrant population here and our tax dollars pay for their English lessons, their native language education in school, their healthcare, etc. We hand out millions, billions of dollars a year for social programs to help the poor, the addicted, the illegal, and the degenerate, yet many of our libraries have shut down or have been forced to reduce their hours, firehouses in some neighborhoods are now defunct, trash pick-up has been reduced, new police recruits pay has been slashed, etc.

What else could be expected of the effect of worthless trash which is allowed to be a drag on society? I say it again, "if any are not willing to work, neither let them eat" 2 Thess 3:10 Yes, you read that right. If they are that lazy, let them STARVE rather than deprive the rest of society of essential things such as fire protection, libraries and sanitation services. LET THEM STARVE!!!!!

[twoanickel]

Quote by: RickSp The Food Stamp program is out of control. It has grown fastest during the Bush administration, by the way. Nevertheless, it seems mean spirited at least to complain about whether or not food stamp recipients buy certain cuts of meat. (Not to say un-Christian, as well.) Of course the strongest supporter of Food Stamps has been the farm state congressmen and senators who view it as a yet another subsidy to agra-business. And as bloated as the Food Stamp program has become it is equal in dollar terms to a few months spending in Iraq. Personally I think feeding people may be more important than killing them.

There is RickSp again! Isn't that just like an unbeliever!! Presuming to tell people what is or is not "unchristian"!!! Talk about unmitigated GALL!!! And they are so stupid that they cannot understand the meaning of the apostle's exhortation, "if any will not work, neither should they EAT." This is the word of Paul the apostle himself. YET UNBELIEVERS PRESUME TO INSTRUCT THE APOSTLE AND THE WORD OF GOD THROUGH HIM AS TO WHAT IS OR IS NOT UNCHRISTIAN!!!

To all of them, I say, "the judgement which God will send upon you will certainly be what you blasphemers deserve!!!!!!!!!

[Osborn F Enready]

twoanickel, why do you have to put religion into every topic?

Religion is a personal thing man, come on.

[twoanickel]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe I don't think hardly anybody is truly honest all the time. Most people who are poor generally have a reason, and it may be inadequate education, bad genes, whatever. They may be lazy but I see a lot of poor people working too, and hard, for very little money. You can work and still get food stamps. Where I work almost everybody has two jobs, and I would bet some are getting the earned income credit but they can't make it even working hard. This is what I see, and all jobs where I work are hard physical jobs. You can only do physical so long and you wear out. That's what has happened to me. I have arthritis so bad I can hardly walk, but I continue to work. From my experience you don't know anothers situation, so it's a bad idea to judge. I'm fairly conservative, too, by the way.

If the government were not into everyone's wallet, families would have enough money to take care of those family members that need help, but the lunkheads inside the beltway think it is their right to play daddy and santa claus to the worthless, the dregs of society. Consequently, families are often no longer able to care for their own.

The mad delusions of bleeding heart liberals are devastating all of society not only financially but morally as well!! They are blights upon the earth, parasites devouring decent people.

[twoanickel]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready twoanickel, why do you have to put religion into every topic? Religion is a personal thing man, come on.

DO YOU THINK IT DOES NOT ADDRESS HUMAN ISSUES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH EVERYDAY REALITY??????????????? COME ON, MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You think you, as a libertarian, are a conservative? The Bible is showing you what a real conservative is. Rather than complain, you should sit up and pay attention! Compared to real Christian principles, you are a bleeding heart liberal.

[Chris]

twoanickel if you are going to use caps one or two words is ok. Not the whole post.

And interesting topic. Funny observation I have: Why are there Massive fat people on food stamps? Doesn't it say something about the richest nation on earth when the poorest people have 56 inch waistlines?

[RickSp]

Quote by: twoanickel There is RickSp again! Isn't that just like an unbeliever!! Presuming to tell people what is or is not "unchristian"!!! Talk about unmitigated GALL!!! And they are so stupid that they cannot understand the meaning of the apostle's exhortation, "if any will not work, neither should they EAT." This is the word of Paul the apostle himself. YET UNBELIEVERS PRESUME TO INSTRUCT THE APOSTLE AND THE WORD OF GOD THROUGH HIM AS TO WHAT IS OR IS NOT UNCHRISTIAN!!! To all of them, I say, "the judgement which God will send upon you will certainly be what you blasphemers deserve!!!!!!!!!

LOL. There you go again. Shouting about letting people STARVE and then ranting about "umitigated GALL" in others.

1 Corinthians 13:1-4
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up."

You sound like an entire brass band.

[RickSp]

Quote by: |Chris| And interesting topic. Funny observation I have: Why are there Massive fat people on food stamps? Doesn't it say something about the richest nation on earth when the poorest people have 56 inch waistlines?

Ignoring the religious ranting to get back on topic, it is intriguing that the statistics both for hunger in America and obesity do overlap. In some respects it might be better if the poor did only eat the best cuts of meat rather than making arguably less healthy food choices. It might reduce both hunger and obseity.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Mia So it was at a discount? And you resented people with food stamps buying it? With the max benefit being about $150/month for one person, they are not eating better than a middle class person. With a family, the max benefit comes down to $100 per person, and not everyone gets the max.

I definately have a problem with a family of twelve that eats better off the government dollar than the people serving them.


I am always shocked when non-farmers think they can afford to raise ten, or twelve chilren in the city given the ideal situation, but I'm horrified to know the taxpayers are expected to raise ten inner city children for people who can't fend for themselves. ( What are doing even considering a family? )


It's called a cultural divide. and government socialist policies ( in the U.S. ) cultivate, and foster that cultural divide for their own advantage, and only work to dividing, and conquering the populace.

[Osborn F Enready]

twoanickel said: DO YOU THINK IT DOES NOT ADDRESS HUMAN ISSUES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH EVERYDAY REALITY??????????????? COME ON, MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You think you, as a libertarian, are a conservative? The Bible is showing you what a real conservative is. Rather than complain, you should sit up and pay attention! Compared to real Christian principles, you are a bleeding heart liberal.

I say:
Oh my, I had such hope for you being reasonable. That post about sums up the folly of that hope.

It appears as though you are just yet another, religious zealot on a mission of God, your flavor of God of course, which is all that makes it righteous to you.

Religion is a personal issue, and has no place in politics or government.

As far as me being a liberal..... ROFLMAO.... that is humor.

Old school liberal, on civil rights issues, maybe.(individual rights protection from government)
Old school conservative, on economic issues, maybe.(balanced budget, anti-tax, anti-welfare)

I would call myself a Constitutionalist, if it wasn't for their silly interjection of religion into the political arena. So I am left with Libertarianism, which is all about individual rights (as in the BOR), the Constitutional limitations upon the Republic, strong states rights(as opposed to strong Federal government), small government(only what is needed, and constitutionally legal), a strong truly free market, removing un-constitutional taxation and wealth re-distribution fronts that operate within our government, a more isolationist foreign policy stance in all areas but market access.

You on the other hand, can't seem to make two posts in a row without mentioning God, the bible, or some rhetoric from "your" religion.

Please, drop the religious mantra, and then we can discuss things as rational adults.

Back on topic please?