Did Bush just make the Consperiacy Theorist right?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Author Jerome Corsi filed a Freedom of Information Act request yesterday asking for full disclosure of the activities of an office implementing a trilateral agreement with Mexico and Canada that apparently could lead to a North American union, despite having no authorization from Congress. As WorldNetDaily reported, the White House has established working groups, under the North American Free Trade Agreement office in the Department of Commerce, to implement the Security and Prosperity Partnership, or SPP, signed by President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Texas, March 23, 2005.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=50719

Now, as you all know, I am NOT one to get into these tin foil hat freak outs, but this one has my attention. Thoughts?

[Zeebadee]

What's this? Mr V is unhappy with Dear Leader's activities? C'mon Mr V, like you always say, have you been personally hurt by this SPP? What's the problem here, bush is merely working for our security, and besides, remember we were attacked on 9/11.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Zeebadee What's this? Mr V is unhappy with Dear Leader's activities? C'mon Mr V, like you always say, have you been personally hurt by this SPP? What's the problem here, bush is merely working for our security, and besides, remember we were attacked on 9/11.

Goading will only get you smacked down Zee.

There is a huge difference between understanding the need for security in the face of terrorist and the President signing treaty deals and no one know about them or what's involved.

That's the problem with people like you, you're so busy tilting at windmills that when the real giant comes along you've all ready been marginalized thus only a few listen to you, and the rest of the people have become numbed to cries of warning that they ignore the issue until it's TOO LATE.

And that has been both my stance, and my biggest issue with the likes of Bishop, yourself, Gr8fuldaniel and others. So quick to knee jerk reaction and cry the sky is falling, cry wolf that you have completely made most others tone deaf to such alarms.

Now we "might" have a situation that could meet the requirements for actually becomming alarmed... and well... whose actually going to listen? To be concerned? Whose going to care when the alarm is raised?

Think about that the next time oyu cry wolf over nothing. This could turn out to be "much ado about nothing" but then again... it could be something very serious. I am not jumping to conclusions, but there is enough to make me take notice.

[Matt W]

Zeebadee, you know the form - if you haven't got anything to say on-topic, don't post.

Do not respond to me within this thread. PM myself or Sean with any questions.

[Nono]

And they signed the SPP agreement in Waco. Coincidence? I think not!

Canada may be willing to adopt the United States as its 11th province. We'll give it some thought.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Goading will only get you smacked down Zee.

Yeah, I'm real worried about you smacking me down.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio There is a huge difference between understanding the need for security in the face of terrorist and the President signing treaty deals and no one know about them or what's involved.

What you fail to realize is that all of this is part of the same neocon plan for America. There's nothing new about the process. No one is supposed to know about this because bush knows that the American people won't support such a plan. It's no different than justifying a war based on lies, or claiming to oppose amnesty for illegals while at the same time refusing to close our borders or enforce our immigration laws. It's all part of the same PNAC plan for America.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio That's the problem with people like you, you're so busy tilting at windmills that when the real giant comes along you've all ready been marginalized thus only a few listen to you, and the rest of the people have become numbed to cries of warning that they ignore the issue until it's TOO LATE.

Oh yeah, this is the "real giant". It's actually funny to see you so shocked to find out that bush would do something like this. You're one of the people that has been so numb to the "cries of warning", and all of a sudden you're in a panic. Where did you think that bush's policies of job outsourcing, unlimited immigration, and free trade agreements were taking us?

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio And that has been both my stance, and my biggest issue with the likes of Bishop, yourself, Gr8fuldaniel and others. So quick to knee jerk reaction and cry the sky is falling, cry wolf that you have completely made most others tone deaf to such alarms.

Seems to me that it's YOU that's having the knee jerk reaction here. Why don't you explain to us how this issue is different from any other bush policy?

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Now we "might" have a situation that could meet the requirements for actually becomming alarmed... and well... whose actually going to listen? To be concerned? Whose going to care when the alarm is raised?

Thousands of people dead and maimed in a war based on lies, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted doesn't seem to faze you, but the possibility of implementing this treaty is the "real giant". Good thing you're here to "raise the alarm"!

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Think about that the next time oyu cry wolf over nothing. This could turn out to be "much ado about nothing" but then again... it could be something very serious. I am not jumping to conclusions, but there is enough to make me take notice.

I'm happy to learn that you're finally starting to take notice.

[Mr.Vicchio]

No Zee, I don't normally get upset, I look at the what's the cause, and what's the effect.

All you see in everything Bush does in "NEO CON TAKE OVER OF THE WORLD ZOMG!"

I see no reason for Bush ot have done this, no cause, no effect. That makes me worry. Most of the things you freak out over... are in the open, and people can make decisions by them(that would be voting for you democracy impaired people). This however, needs to be exposed, and the siutation evalutated. Until that moment, my only concern is the "Who what and why" Any presumption by you me or anyone as to what this is all about is just that, assumptions.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=50719 Now, as you all know, I am NOT one to get into these tin foil hat freak outs, but this one has my attention. Thoughts?

Yes, I have some thoughts.

1) Worldnetdaily? Yeah, great resource. You might not know this, but WND's motto should be "Where tin foil hat freak outs get their news"

2) The article says :

Corsi filed a Freedom of Information Act request yesterday asking for full disclosure of the activities of an office implementing a trilateral agreement with Mexico and Canada that apparently could lead to a North American union, despite having no authorization from Congress.

Corsi has merely filed the FOIL request. So what? People file FOIL requests all the time asking for documents pertaining to aliens landing in Roswell, or secret government bases on the moon, or the faking of the Apollo 11 landing. That doesn't mean that such things are true.

3) Corsi is apparantly not very well informed on what the SPP agreements actually do. What they are doing (or starting to do) is creating a sort of advisory group for the three nations that will create communication between the three leaders as to how to best coordinate our relative strengths and weaknesses. Think of it this way: Right now the U.S. is like Windows, Canada is like Mac, and Mexico is like OS/2 (or something). This organization's goal is to come up with a system (say like Bluetooth or USB) that is sort of a universal connection between all three systems.

4) This is an advisory commitee. The President has the power (Article II, S. 2) to appoint people to advise him on policy matters. At this point, these groups are merely investigating possible streamlining of laws and organization between the three countries. Should it ever come to actually implementing these suggestions, it would require either trilateral treaties or unilateral legislation, either of which would go through Congress. There is nothing in the Constitution that says the President can't appoint a team of people from our country to meet with teams of people from other countries and talk about how we can work together to acheive common goals.

Look, I am a libertarian. I think that foreign entanglements are trouble. But there are two ways to be a libertarian. One way is to hide out in a bunker and constantly think that everything is some New World Order-esque conspiracy, that taxes are optional, that the government is "illegal" or invalid in some way, etc. The other way is to accept the reality of the situation as it is and to try to work within the means granted to citizens to try to change it. I prefer the latter.

[RickSp]

If you pay attention to the Worldnetdail, well you get what you deserve. Interesting though how the conservatives are now turning on Bush for, horrors of horrors, talking to foreigners.

Corsi believes President Bush effectively agreed to erase U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada when he signed the SPP.

I wonder why anyone would care what Mr. Corsi believes.

An amusing ad at the bottom of the article:

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Sure all sounds like conspiracies within conspiracies to me. And where did I put my aluminum hat?

[PatrickHenry]

Vicchio, welcome to the Conspiracy Side...

I won't whip you for your past transgressions and smears against us.

Ignore the sheep who sound so sophisticated. They will eventually see the big picture. In the meantime you should re-examine your loyalty to Washington. They are not loyal to you...

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Opening Article As WorldNetDaily reported, the White House has established working groups, under the North American Free Trade Agreement office in the Department of Commerce, to implement the Security and Prosperity Partnership, or SPP, signed by President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Texas, March 23, 2005.

That was a year ago. Did you hear what they passed just last week?

Source Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway by Jerome R. Corsi Posted Jun 12, 2006 Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn. Once complete, the new road will allow containers from the Far East to enter the United States through the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, bypassing the Longshoreman’s Union in the process. The Mexican trucks, without the involvement of the Teamsters Union, will drive on what will be the nation’s most modern highway straight into the heart of America. The Mexican trucks will cross border in FAST lanes, checked only electronically by the new “SENTRI” system. The first customs stop will be a Mexican customs office in Kansas City, their new Smart Port complex, a facility being built for Mexico at a cost of $3 million to the U.S. taxpayers in Kansas City. As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Various U.S. government agencies, dozens of state agencies, and scores of private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) have been working behind the scenes to create the NAFTA Super Highway, despite the lack of comment on the plan by President Bush. The American public is largely asleep to this key piece of the coming “North American Union” that government planners in the new trilateral region of United States, Canada and Mexico are about to drive into reality.

Bold is mine.

Dubai is still controlling 22 US ports, even though they (DPW) volunteered to sell them 3 months ago and the Repugnants have removed the language that would force them to sell. This is also a border issue.

CNN Transcript TUCKER: While Congress is expressing confidence in the intention of Dubai Ports World, it's worth noting that Congress is also willing to employ language when it suits them publicly, then quietly remove it. It happened in this case and in congressional opposition to the surrendering of control of domestic airlines to foreign investors. Big storm, big language, quietly stripped out in committee, Lou. DOBBS: So at this point, now it's just about four months since this agreement was reached, Congress has backed away from its language. Dubai Ports World has not acted. CFIUS, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, has said that it reserves the right to make Dubai Ports World do what it said it would do publicly. So you're not suggesting, are you, Mr. Tucker, in your reporting here, well, let me rephrase that. Is it a reasonable inference that the American public, the American citizens are being gamed again by this administration and this Congress? TUCKER: I think it's a reasonable inference that they should be paying attention to what's going or not going on in Washington. DOBBS: We're sure as heck going to be watching it and watching it very closely week by week. And spreading wherever we can bouquets to those who actually honor their word in this highly principled national capital of ours. Bill Tucker, thank you. The Bush administration is determined to give away another critical American asset, control of our airlines to foreign interests. New language proposed by the Transportation Department would allow foreign investors to take control of our airlines. Congressman Frank Lobiondo and Congressman James Oberstar are leading the effort on capital hill to stop the give away. Congressman Lobiondo joins me tonight from Capital Hill. Congressman, good to have you with us.

......And with that still unresolved, this Admin is in favor of foreign ownership of our airlines too.

Surprised??
We've been aware of the Global Agenda for years!!

I would be more surprised it they tried to do something legitimate.

[Osborn F Enready]

Great post, great links, great source.

Thanks Dan.

[RVonse]

It is patently obvious that our government has run amok. But what to do?

It feels like the silence before the storm.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Great post, great links, great source. Thanks Dan.

I'm really hoping you forgot the :rolleyes: thing after this post...

gr8fuldaniel, I thought this was a debate site. Are you going to respond or just keep posting? At any rate...

Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn.

Source? Stage of planning? Is this something that is in the dream stage or is there a start date for construction. I have a feeling it's not even to the dream stage.

As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year.

Is it? And what passed spending bill is the money coming from? All signed legislation of Congress are public record, so why haven't we heard of this? Better yet, where are the millions of people who will be displaced by eminent domain? If this was "ready to begin" next year, they'd have to have already begun the eminent domain process and millions of people would be up in arms about it.

We've been aware of the Global Agenda for years!!

Ahh, yes, capitalize words and suddenly you go from a crackpot idea to a World Movement (see how well it works?). :rolleyes:

[rmnunez]

Mexico's role in NASCO is called the "Plan Puebla Panama".

[RVonse]

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Quote by: tivodan1116 Is it? And what passed spending bill is the money coming from? All signed legislation of Congress are public record, so why haven't we heard of this? Better yet, where are the millions of people who will be displaced by eminent domain? If this was "ready to begin" next year, they'd have to have already begun the eminent domain process and millions of people would be up in arms about it. :

Thats a good point. 4 football fields wide of concrete from Mexico all the way to Canada would have to be a hell of a lot of real estate and pavement!

[Clarence]

The whole agreement could be a good or bad deal. It depends on the intentions of the project.

The use of patriotism to rally support the last six years sould bite back hard. doubt it.

Whattya' doing scouring conspiracy sites, Vic? Pat's ready to sign you up. Hey now!

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: tivodan1116 gr8fuldaniel, I thought this was a debate site. Are you going to respond or just keep posting? At any rate...

whats your problem?

Quote by: tivo Quote by: Article Quietly but systematically, the Bush Administration is advancing the plan to build a huge NAFTA Super Highway, four football-fields-wide, through the heart of the U.S. along Interstate 35, from the Mexican border at Laredo, Tex., to the Canadian border north of Duluth, Minn. Source? Stage of planning? Is this something that is in the dream stage or is there a start date for construction. I have a feeling it's not even to the dream stage.

yeah, its in the dream stage. Like Iraq was only a dream before junior was selected. Heres a reputable foreign paper

link US divided by superhighway plan CRAIG HOWIE A MASSIVE road four football fields wide and running from Mexico to Canada through the heartland of the United States is being proposed amid controversy over security and the damage to the environment. The "nation's most modern roadway", proposed between Laredo in Texas and Duluth, Minnesota, along Interstate 35, would allow the US to bypass the west coast ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach to import goods from China and the Far East into the heart of middle America via Mexico, saving both cost and time. However, critics argue that the ten-lane road would lay a swathe of concrete on top of an already over-developed transport infrastructure and further open the border with Mexico to illegal immigrants or terrorists. According to a weekly Conservative magazine published in the US, the US administration is "quietly yet systematically" planning the massive highway, citing as a benefit that it would negate the power of two unions, the Longshoremen and Teamsters. Another source claimed the highway was a "bi-partisan effort" with support from both Republicans and Democrats that would reduce freight transport times across the nation by days. Under the plan - believed to be an extension of a strategic transportation plan signed in March last year by the US president, George Bush, Paul Martin, the then prime minister of Canada, and Vincente Fox, the Mexican president - imported goods would pass a border "road bump" in the Mexican port of Lazaro Cardenas, before being loaded on to lorries for a straight run to a major hub, or "SmartPort", in Kansas, Oklahoma. <snip> Following the release of a 4,000-page environmental study, construction of the first leg of the Trans-Texas Corridor is reportedly due to begin next year, backed by US state and governmental agencies and a Spanish private sector company, Concessions de Infraestructuras de Transporte. more....

Quote by: tivo Quote by: article As incredible as this plan may seem to some readers, the first Trans-Texas Corridor segment of the NAFTA Super Highway is ready to begin construction next year. Is it? And what passed spending bill is the money coming from? All signed legislation of Congress are public record, so why haven't we heard of this? Better yet, where are the millions of people who will be displaced by eminent domain? If this was "ready to begin" next year, they'd have to have already begun the eminent domain process and millions of people would be up in arms about it.

"And what passed spending bill is the money coming from?". Money is no object for these globalists. We already have an account with Haliburton, Watch the money just flow after the next terrorist attack. What? You havent seen congress roll over for these asshats? Its an old trick, but it never fails. They will just wrap it up in a flag so they HAVE to do it.

Quote by: tivo Quote by: me We've been aware of the Global Agenda for years!! Ahh, yes, capitalize words and suddenly you go from a crackpot idea to a World Movement (see how well it works?). :rolleyes:

I think you are the last person not to see the hegemony. Did you hear about Ken Mehlman (RNC Chairman) When Jon Stewart asked him why the GOP became parsers, Mehlman replied "Greed and Cynicism". Its the same greed that made them Globalists.

This is the plan (I took a snapshot so you wouldnt think I had the nerve to capitalize their plans without your permission):

Source (pdf)

Doesnt that sound a lot like "Project for the New American Century's report, Rebuilding America's Defenses"? (link) (Note: I copy/pasted that. The CAPS are not my volunteer work)

Cheney: The Dark Side just came on.

[PatrickHenry]

http://www.ambassadorbridge.com/nafta_case.html
http://www.imaja.com/as/environment/...hreatenNA.html
http://ftaaimc.org/or/2005/02/6446.shtml
http://www.conway.com/i35/9802/
http://forum.truthout.org/blog/?op=d.../17/123612/767

Quote by: tivodan1116 Source? Stage of planning? Is this something that is in the dream stage or is there a start date for construction. I have a feeling it's not even to the dream stage.

You have a feeling...let's get all feely here. That's real good debate tecnique...

Quote by: tivodan1116 Is it? And what passed spending bill is the money coming from? All signed legislation of Congress are public record, so why haven't we heard of this? Better yet, where are the millions of people who will be displaced by eminent domain? If this was "ready to begin" next year, they'd have to have already begun the eminent domain process and millions of people would be up in arms about it.

How about the Federal Highway Administration's contract authority of $34 billion per annum in 2006? Why haven't we heard of a lot of stuff? Maybe because the Bush Administration is secretive? No, wait, that couldn't be it....

Quote by: tivodan1116 Ahh, yes, capitalize words and suddenly you go from a crackpot idea to a World Movement (see how well it works?). :rolleyes:

How is this debating? You are just casting aspersions based upon your little feely...

[rmnunez]

I wonder why there is greater concern over the environmental impact of the proposed highway, than there is over building a 1000 kilometre long and 2 storeys tall wall sealing the border. No doubt such a roadway would have tremendous beneficial impact on NAFTA's 3 partners and enable cheaper transport more swiftly to and from the US overland. Though longshoremen (stevedores) would be adversely affected through swifter and cheaper freightage using the road, I don't see why teamsters (truckers) would.