Did Bush just make the Consperiacy Theorist right?

[Osborn F Enready]

Tivo said: I'm really hoping you forgot the :rolleyes: thing after this post...

I say:
No I didn't forget it....I didn't want it there, because I meant what I said.

Bush has been making "conspiracy theorists" right since the day he took office. Many of them have been right all along, it just took Bush's complete bumbling to feed proliferous amounts of ammunition into the "conspiracy theorists" fact book.

Here is one of those for you..... :rolleyes:

[Plasma Snake[D]]

its all part of the upcoming US world take over union: THE UNIMERICA! Thrive off Africa. Either we are all completely wrong or we are all wrong. Smoke another one why dont I

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: rmnunez Though longshoremen (stevedores) would be adversely affected through swifter and cheaper freightage using the road, I don't see why teamsters (truckers) would.

Because the trucks and drivers would be Mexicans, and not teamsters.

[bishop]

worldnetdaily.... that site's a geniune pile of crap.


i must say, i'm amused that vicchio is all in a huff that bush almighty did this without telling anyone about it.. sure isn't the first, or the 10th (etc.) time he's pulled such a stunt.

and then we're blessed with this mental excrement:

Quote by: vicchio And that has been both my stance, and my biggest issue with the likes of Bishop, yourself, Gr8fuldaniel and others. So quick to knee jerk reaction and cry the sky is falling, cry wolf that you have completely made most others tone deaf to such alarms.

meanwhile, bush has been sneaking in policies that we abhor for years now - and good little apologist bushbot vicchio is always there to stand up for his man.. you act as if bush supporting illegal immigration is infinately more important than him torturing people, spying on americans, spending us into bankruptcy, etc.. thus far, bush has done whatever his little emporer ass wanted and you haven't complained. cry me a river if he continued behaving as usual and actually made a decision little vicchio doesn't like.

speaking of crying wolf, you might want to pull your head out of your you know where...

*it's all good if bush wastes our time with fag marriage and flag burning. i jus' don't want to see them dirty wetbacks in "my" country. bush can spend us into the poor house, torture anyone he wants, spy on us cuz i ain't got nuthin' to hide... just don't let 'em mexicanos in here!*


it would seem that the only issues that you apologist bushbots are willing to confront bush with are those that deal with sexuality and race. i wonder what the response would be if bush dared to support civil unions in addition to illegal immigration. oh, the horror!

[Osborn F Enready]

I will keep the chuckling too myself, and simply agree Mr. Bishop.

[gr8fuldaniel]

If the globalists wanted to do something about immigration, why not enforce the laws we ALREADY have in place? Or make them stronger.
I am not talking about at the border either.
If you get caught hiring an illegal immigrant, go directly to jail (general population, no country clubs) and pay a fine. Starting with the CEOs. And ending with those who hire aliens to do yardwork.

The admin. really dont want to stop the flow of cheap labor. This country is built and fed on the backs of cheap labor. The Globalists want more, not less, cheap labor.

The build-up around the border with the Minutemen and "talk" of a Great Wall, are all just to appease the masses of republican bigots, and will be disassembled in a month or two after they all forget about the cause du jour. Vicente Fox must be pissed about the build up on the border. He was promised open borders. And Lots of $$$$$$.

Look at the text of "Building a North American Community", anyone see a hint of favoritism?

Page 14 Building a North American Community • Establish a North American investment fund for infrastruc- ture and human capital. With a more conducive investment climate in Mexico, private funds will be more accessible for infrastruc- ture and development projects. The United States and Canada should establish a North American Investment Fund to encourage private capital flow into Mexico. The fund would focus on increasing and improving physical infrastructure linking the less developed parts of Mexico to markets in the north, improving primary and secondary education, and technical training in states and municipalities commit- ted to transparency and institutional development. A relatively small amount of funds should be targeted for technical assistance for project design and evaluation, management, and training. If the North Amer- ican Investment Fund is to be effective,it will need significant help from the United States and Canada, and counterpart funding through higher tax revenues from Mexico. The fund design should consider such issues as incentives and debt absorption and management capac- ity of subnational governments to ensure that resources are effectively used. The fund will need to be managed in a transparent manner according to best international practices, and should be capitalized through adiverse set of innovative financial mechanisms. Availability ..... more.... (pdf)

(I hope you all appreciate all the spaces between each word. I added them one at a time :eek: The document didnt copy/paste well. Do they have computers in Mexico yet? )

Are Americans going to be allowed to buy Real Estate in Mexico? Or do they just want Americans to throw dollars into a hat? Currently Americans cant ever buy land in Mexico.
Mexicans can buy land here, though.

This should work out really well. For Mexico!

We lose our sovereignity....They gain our money.

The cheap labor conservatives are not going to fortify the border.
Mark My Words (caps intended). They are disappearing the borders. After all; arent maps "just a goddamn piece of paper"?

[gr8fuldaniel]

BTW, Thanx Os.

Because I couldnt say it any better myself and there really hasnt been any public discussion nor mainstream media coverage of the pros and cons; heres a well researched blog entry:

TTC News Archives The Trans-Texas Corridors, eminent domain abuse, and the Texas Toll Road Rebellion INTERNATIONALIZING U.S. ROADS Phyllis Spivey June 10, 2005 NewsWithViews.com Copyright 2005 Imagine this: your state government puts a transportation corridor in your neighborhood. It’s nearly a quarter-mile wide. It will serve vehicles and trains and incorporate oil, gas, electric and water lines. Try to fight it and you’ll not only face the combined might of your local, state, and federal governments, but foreign interests as well. The internationalization of U.S. roads has begun. We’re not just talking about isolated instances of privately-built toll roads with foreign management, as we’ve seen in Southern California. We’re talking about networks of toll roads that may be built by foreign builders, managed by foreign operators, function primarily to accommodate foreign goods, and connect U.S. roads to similar networks in Canada, Mexico and, later, Central and South America. Interstate 69, for example, is a planned 1600 mile national highway connecting Mexico, the U.S., and Canada. Eight states are involved in the project: Once completed, I-69 will extend from Port Huron, Michigan to the Texas/Mexico border. In Texas, I-69 will be part of the Trans-Texas Corridor (TTC) project – a 4000 mile network of existing and new toll roads – which will create the largest private highway system in America. Interstate 35, also called the Oklahoma to Mexico/Gulf Coast element, will be developed as part of the TTC. Plans call for the TTC to be 1200 feet wide with 10 vehicle lanes (three passenger vehicle lanes in each direction), truck lanes (two in each direction), six rail lines (three in each direction), two tracks for high-speed passenger rail, two for commuter rail and two for freight. The corridor will include a 200 feet right-of-way for oil, gas, electric and water lines. According to Corridor Watch, a group opposing the TTC, Governor Rick Perry announced his Corridor vision in 2002, instructed the Texas Department of Transportation to prepare an action plan and within six-months the Department of Transportation presented the finished product to the state Transportation Commission. “Without any substantive discussion or debate and without public comment,” the Commission approved it, a plan projected to cost up to $185 billion and take up to 50 years to build. In 2003, the Texas Department of Transportation sent representatives to Europe to find “partners,” visiting London, Paris, Rome, Madrid and Barcelona. By December 2004, Texas had selected a Spanish firm to finance and build the first segment of the TTC. In March 2005, Department of Transportation officials, joined by Governor Perry and Federal Highway Administrator Mary Peters, signed a 342-page agreement with the firm. Not only did the Bush Administration bless the project, but the Federal Highway Administration announced in March 2004 that the first segment of the TTC had been granted “experimental project status” and construction could begin before the environmental study was complete. Work could start even before public hearings were completed. Three months later, more...

Now Heres the ZINGER..........
The Republican Party of Texas is vehemently opposed to the project:

(cont'd) Three months later, the Republican Party of Texas adopted as part of its platform the following statement: “Because there are issues of confiscation of private land, State and National sovereignty . . . , the Party urges the repeal of (legislation) authorizing the Trans-Texas Corridor. Further, we urge the removal of all authorization and powers granted the Texas Transportation Commission and the Texas Department of Transportation for the construction and operation of the Trans-Texas Corridor.” Corridor Watch now reports widespread and growing public opposition, describing Texans as “extremely concerned about the state creating a transportation, communication, utility and economic development monopoly. They are concerned about a project that will consume 584,000 acres of land impacting land owners, farms, ranches, wildlife, the environment, communities, taxpayers, water rights, local economies, and more.” Texans are also concerned about how the law authorizing the TTC grants dictatorial powers to the Transportation Commission for the taking of private property. The powers include purchase and condemnation of property contiguous to an existing or planned segment of the TTC, for use in constructing or operating the TTC, or for ancillary facilities that directly benefit users of the TTC, e.g., businesses, and – “for virtually any revenue generating purpose.” “With complete disregard for public will and the citizens of Texas,” Corridor Watch says, “our government is marching forward.” But Texas state officials are not marching alone. Texas politicians are marching in lockstep with international trade groups such as North America’s Super Corridor Coalition ( NASCO), the North American International Trade Corridor Partnership, (NAITCP) and the Central North American Trade Corridor Association (CNATCA) NASCO (www.nasco-itc.com) describes itself as a “public/private, non-profit corporation seeking to create an international trade corridor system throughout North America, secure funding for certain projects, i.e., tax dollars, and promote the development of International Trade Processing Centers. A lobbying group, linked to other lobbying groups, it is “partnered” with the North America’s Supercorridor Caucus in Congress and working with Senate committees on a Multi-State International Corridor Development Program. Tim Brown, a Bell County, Texas Commissioner is President. NASCO opines that,.... Read the rest...

Why arent the Dems locking their sights on this? This would be a great platform to run on. I guess the profit of a few globalists is more important. Immenent Domain should be the counter to the neo-con Fags and Flags rant. Something relevant, something actually Patriotic in the literal sense of the word. If the people who own their land are not allowed into the debate of who REALLY owns their land. Not to mention the environment and the government which belong to all of us .....

Why is the profiteering of the few, outweighing the voice of the many?

Read the rest of that blog above. Its bursting with insight.
The author Phyllis Spivey is worth a look.

Edit to add: Especially this article: DEAR CONGRESSMAN, ABOUT YOUR CAFTA VOTE... by Phyllis Spivey

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Heres a reputable foreign paper

...that writes a story that this highway "is being proposed". They then go on to say that, "According to a weekly Conservative magazine published in the US..." So their in-depth investigative reporting consisted of Googling your selfsame WND or other rag article and relying on its assertions as fact. Then they get to the real story. "Another source..." Yeah, that "source" guy, always so dependable. Wonder how he knows so much? :rolleyes:
Give me a break. Is it any wonder people have lost respect for investigative journalism? Where are the Woodwards and Bernsteins? Where are the muckrakers?

Even if you believe everything in that article, it doesn't say much more than it is an idea. There was also an "idea" this year to write an Amendment banning gay marriage. How'd that work out?

"And what passed spending bill is the money coming from?". Money is no object for these globalists. We already have an account with Haliburton, Watch the money just flow after the next terrorist attack. What? You havent seen congress roll over for these asshats? Its an old trick, but it never fails. They will just wrap it up in a flag so they HAVE to do it.

So you use fear mongering to deflect the discussion away from the real issue, and then at the end there you deride the administration for doing the exact same thing? Laughable. You didn't answer my question. Where is the money allocated? Where are the millions of eminent domain petitions?

This is the plan (I took a snapshot so you wouldnt think I had the nerve to capitalize their plans without your permission):

Thanks, giving me the link allowed me to see that this report was done by the Council on Foreign Relations. They are an independant think tank. But hey, as soon as we pass an Amendment abolishing Congress and giving the CFR lawmaking ability, look me up and we can reopen this topic.

Quote by: PatrickHenry How about the Federal Highway Administration's contract authority of $34 billion per annum in 2006?

LOL - How about doing 30 seconds of research and finding out where that money is to go? I did. It goes to fulfill the requirements of this, none of which is either a 400-yard-wide superhighway that will allow Osama Bin Laden to disguise himself as a migrant worker and sneak into the country to rape your sister, or a top-secret plan to unite Canada, Mexico, and the United States into one huge country overnight without anyone knowing about it (The Rose Garden Speech - "Surprise! Guess who's coming to dinner!").

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel The admin. really dont want to stop the flow of cheap labor. This country is built and fed on the backs of cheap labor. The Globalists want more, not less, cheap labor.

If you cannot see the benefit of having someone else doing our backbreaking labor for us at a cut-rate price, I can't reasonably debate you.

Look at the text of "Building a North American Community", anyone see a hint of favoritism?

Ok, how do I make a megaphone on here? This report was published by an independant policy research center. It is not law. It is not even a report published by someone who can begin to think about making a law. I don't give a crap what it says and no reasonable person would mistake any of this for something that is automatically going to happen.

If you get caught hiring an illegal immigrant, go directly to jail (general population, no country clubs) and pay a fine. Starting with the CEOs. And ending with those who hire aliens to do yardwork.

I have a better idea. Why doesn't everyone who is against "them thar illegals" just sit on their porch with a shotgun, and take pot shots at any medium-brown skinned person walking by! Yee-Haw! [/sarcasm]
It is an easy thing to say that illegals are a huge problem and we should lock up everyone who associates with them. But there is much more to the issue than that. Really, the best solution is to allow free movement of people and goods between countries, and let the free market dictate who gets hired to do what jobs. You supposed conservatives do remember the free market, right?

[PatrickHenry]

OK, tivodan. I see you are a classic libertarian. Free the world to roost where they want to!

You still use the most acclaimed debate tecniques of Strawman and Red Herring, I see.

Your source included this:

Corridors, Borders, and Ports SAFETEA-LU provides funding totaling over $2.8 billion to fund transportation projects of national interest to improve transportation at international borders, ports of entry, and in trade corridors. * A new Coordinated Border Infrastructure Program provides $833 million in funding, to be distributed by formula, to expedite safe and efficient vehicle and cargo movement at or across the land border between the U.S. and Canada and the land border between the U.S. and Mexico. [1303] * The Freight Intermodal Distribution Pilot Program provides $30 million through 2009 for grants to facilitate intermodal freight transportation initiatives at the State and local level to relieve congestion and improve safety, and to provide capital funding to address infrastructure and freight distribution needs at inland ports and intermodal freight facilities. The Act names 6 projects, funded at $5 million each. For each year through 2009, each of the 6 designated projects is to receive 20% of it's funding ($1 million each). * To further promote economic growth and international or interregional trade, the National Corridor Infrastructure Improvement Program provides $1.948 billion in discretionary funding for construction of designated highway projects in corridors of national significance. * For projects in High-Priority Corridors on the National Highway System, an authorization for such sums as may be necessary from the General Fund is provided (requires subsequent legislation). Projects of National and Regional Significance New in SAFETEA-LU is a program to fund transportation infrastructure projects that have relevance and produce benefits on a national or regional level. Benefits could include improving economic productivity, facilitating international trade, relieving congestion, and improving safety. Approximately $1.8 billion from the HTF is provided through 2009 for designated projects.

And do you allege that spending for the Highway of Foreigners needs anything more than administrative allocation of the money granted through the FY congressional budget?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: tivodan1116 Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Heres a reputable foreign paper ...that writes a story that this highway "is being proposed". They then go on to say that, "According to a weekly Conservative magazine published in the US..." So their in-depth investigative reporting consisted of Googling your selfsame WND or other rag article and relying on its assertions as fact.

Did you see this in my last post?

In 2003, the Texas Department of Transportation sent representatives to Europe to find “partners,” visiting London, Paris, Rome, Madrid and Barcelona. By December 2004, Texas had selected a Spanish firm to finance and build the first segment of the TTC. In March 2005, Department of Transportation officials, joined by Governor Perry and Federal Highway Administrator Mary Peters, signed a 342-page agreement with the firm. Not only did the Bush Administration bless the project, but the Federal Highway Administration announced in March 2004 that the first segment of the TTC had been granted “experimental project status” and construction could begin before the environmental study was complete. Work could start even before public hearings were completed.

(Bold is mine)
They have a green light!

They can do what they have done in Southern California, just start building toll freeways.
The Texas Department of Transportation is on board with this. Who can stop them? Thats where the Minutemen need to assemble.

We dont have the open government that you think. The media is shut out from the facts:

TEXAS COMPTROLLER AND CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR CAROLE STRAYHORN DEMANDS THAT GOVERNOR RICK PERRY REVEAL SECRET TOLL CORRIDOR PLAN One year ago today the Texas Attorney General ruled that TxDOT must release the entire contents of it's Comprehensive Development Agreement (CDA) with Cintra Zachry to develop Trans Texas Corridor (TTC-35). Not impressed by that order, TxDOT and Cintra Zachry have done exactly what CorridorWatch.org predicted a year ago, they have stonewalled and initiated a protracted legal battle to keep hundreds of pages of the agreement (CDA) secret. Good thing we didn't hold our breath! In response to Strayhorn's comments today a spokesman for the Governor said "most of the contract is available." That's of little consolation since the portions they refuse to release include all of the conceptual development and financial plans. Someone needs to tell the Governor that "most" just isn't good enough. Apparently there is something or a lot of things in that CDA that can't stand the light of day. Strayhorn agrees and said today, "we need government in the sunshine."

So, you can complain about sources. Or you can complain about what a secret society our government has become. Or you can just open your nostrils and smell a RAT!

Quote by: tivo Even if you believe everything in that article, it doesn't say much more than it is an idea. There was also an "idea" this year to write an Amendment banning gay marriage. How'd that work out?

It didnt. It also didnt reach an experimental stage with private and international funding. Like this has.
This is more than an idea. There are monied partners and millions spent on planning (conspiring).

Quote by: tivo So you use fear mongering to deflect the discussion away from the real issue,

I was just exposing their SOP. Thats how they do bidness

Quote by: tivo You didn't answer my question. Where is the money allocated? Where are the millions of eminent domain petitions?

moot point. The money is assembling from far and wide. The tolls will be an eternal fountain of wealth for the investors. Investors who may never pay a dime in taxes, the money will leave our shores. And the Imminent Domain is no longer a problem. When/if they release the final route the property will be assigned to the corridor. Dont like it? Tuff shit. What do you think this is? A democracy?
Heres why you havent seen petitions yet.....They dont know where they are going

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel The admin. really dont want to stop the flow of cheap labor. This country is built and fed on the backs of cheap labor. The Globalists want more, not less, cheap labor.

Quote by: tivo If you cannot see the benefit of having someone else doing our backbreaking labor for us at a cut-rate price, I can't reasonably debate you.

Would you like to bring back sweatshops and slavery? Whats wrong with hiring only people who are not fugitives from justice, and paying them a "Living wage". You know, above the poverty line of $16K per year? Teens and college students will do the work that illegals are doing now.

Quote by: tivo Quote by: me Look at the text of "Building a North American Community", anyone see a hint of favoritism? Ok, how do I make a megaphone on here? This report was published by an independant policy research center. It is not law. It is not even a report published by someone who can begin to think about making a law. I don't give a crap what it says and no reasonable person would mistake any of this for something that is automatically going to happen.

Are you in favor of it happening?

Quote by: tivo If you get caught hiring an illegal immigrant, go directly to jail (general population, no country clubs) and pay a fine. Starting with the CEOs. And ending with those who hire aliens to do yardwork.

Quote by: tivo I have a better idea. Why doesn't everyone who is against "them thar illegals" just sit on their porch with a shotgun, and take pot shots at any medium-brown skinned person walking by! Yee-Haw! [/sarcasm]

Thats not funny. And you missed my point. Not only are we shipping American jobs away. That we are perfectly capable of doing.....we are assigning what jobs are left, to fugitives from justice. There are laws against hiring them, these laws are not enforced. They also consume tax dollars in the form of welfare and medical services. I am 100% in favor of most of them becoming citizens. If they dont want to be, or cant.....adios!

Quote by: tivo It is an easy thing to say that illegals are a huge problem and we should lock up everyone who associates with them. But there is much more to the issue than that. Really, the best solution is to allow free movement of people and goods between countries, and let the free market dictate who gets hired to do what jobs. You supposed conservatives do remember the free market, right?

Free Market ultimately wants slavery. Do you want that? I say "Fair Trade" not "Free Trade". Otherwise children will be abused with long torturous days of slavery in sweat shops abroad. If you let an ungoverned market decide, they will decide in favor of evil plantation lords and hate will rule the day.

[RVonse]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel If you get caught hiring an illegal immigrant, go directly to jail (general population, no country clubs) and pay a fine. Starting with the CEOs. And ending with those who hire aliens to do yardwork.

All they need to do is make the penalty for hiring an illegal the same punishment as you get for borrowing a neighbors CD or downloading music and this problem would go away tomorrow.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel Would you like to bring back sweatshops and slavery? Whats wrong with hiring only people who are not fugitives from justice, and paying them a "Living wage". You know, above the poverty line of $16K per year? Teens and college students will do the work that illegals are doing now.

Who said anything about slavery? In a free market, no one works for free because everything is bought and sold for exactly what it is worth, including labor.

Thats not funny. And you missed my point. Not only are we shipping American jobs away. That we are perfectly capable of doing.....we are assigning what jobs are left, to fugitives from justice. There are laws against hiring them, these laws are not enforced. They also consume tax dollars in the form of welfare and medical services. I am 100% in favor of most of them becoming citizens. If they dont want to be, or cant.....adios!

Does anyone besides me see the circular logic behind this type of argument?
Saying illegals are criminals because they break the laws of immigration is ridiculous, because the only reason they are criminals is the malum prohibitum laws of immigration. They're only "fugitives from justice" because we choose to make illegal the crossing of a completely arbitrary border.

Free Market ultimately wants slavery. Do you want that? I say "Fair Trade" not "Free Trade". Otherwise children will be abused with long torturous days of slavery in sweat shops abroad. If you let an ungoverned market decide, they will decide in favor of evil plantation lords and hate will rule the day.

What could be more fair than ending regulations that favor one group at the expense of another and artificially mess with the market?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: tivodan1116 ...a completely arbitrary border...

As opposed to what? A natural border, like an ocean? or a river like the Rio Grande?

Why do not all nations have the same laws and customs? Maybe you would be comfortable with Sharia Law as in Muslim nations, or the graft system as practiced in Mexico... in a borderless world what makes you think that a familiar system of justice will prevail?

Radical libertarianism is pretty stupid...

[tivodan1116]

Go look up the terms "malum in se" and "malum prohibitum" and then come back....


Ok? Immigration laws are "malum prohibitum". In other words, in a natural world, they wouldn't exist. They exist because of governments which create borders and control them.

[PatrickHenry]

So you wish to do away with all government, tivodan? Will you find other ways to gain the benefits presently represented by government?

In a "natural world" I can kill your family and you have to chase me down yourself or recruit some friends to help. If my gang is bigger than yours, you just have to suck it up. Is that what you want?

Sure, immigrants aren't evil in themselves. They are just trying to better their lives. That doesn't mean I agree that they should have unrestricted access to my nation...

[gr8fuldaniel]

I bet tivo leaves his front door open so strangers can just come and go as they please. No boundaries. He must make a lot of friends. And meet a lot of opportunists/thieves, as well. I bet he has plenty of food for everyone who could possibly cross his threshold.

Confirmation from Kansas City.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo...ansas_city.htm Mexican customs to be stationed in Kansas City New 'inland port' in heartland part of international plan that bypasses unions World Net Daily | June 21 2006 A Mexican customs office is being built in the U.S. heartland as part of a newly designed "inland port" facility that links with a Mexican seaport, an official in Kansas City confirms. Tasha Hammes of the Kansas City Area Development Council wrote to author and WND columnist Jerome Corsi to correct some details of a column on the subject, but she affirmed that a key purpose of the Kansas City Inland Port, or SmartPort, will be to facilitate the movement of containers from the Far East through the Mexican port at Lazaro Cardenas rather that the West Coast ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.

It sure is a hell of an expense to avoid paying a decent wage to teamsters and longshoremen. I bet the money saved goes directly to the foreign investors (and American investors with offshore accounts) in tolls.

[bishop]

at the end of the day, we have laws on the books regarding immigration and the penalties for illegal immigration.. until those laws are changed, what's currently happening is a gross violation of those laws. and the primary party here that is ignoring those laws is the federal government.

as far as i'm concerned, the people who want unfettered access to our country (in violation of standing laws) are supporting the federal government's behavior of violating federal laws.. and if it's okay for them to violate those laws, then i find it a little duplicitous for them to complain when the feds violate other laws that they actually do support.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel I bet tivo leaves his front door open so strangers can just come and go as they please. No boundaries. He must make a lot of friends. And meet a lot of opportunists/thieves, as well. I bet he has plenty of food for everyone who could possibly cross his threshold.

Strawman. Because I don't believe that immigration should be restricted, I am in favor of people stealing my things? This argument is so idiotic it makes me wish my keyboard had a "bitchslap" button.

Quote by: PatrickHenry So you wish to do away with all government, tivodan? Will you find other ways to gain the benefits presently represented by government?

More Strawman.