The 2004 election was stolen in Ohio

[RVonse]

Its not even the point whether a stolen Ohio vote can be proven or not. What matters is that we know it can be done. In fact we know that it is easy to hack a Diebold machine.

That is what should be of great concern to Apeman81 and Mr. Vicchio. Do you guys want a fair vote or do you think our government should look like Tony Sopranos and his help? Surely even you 2 guys can see that the Diebold machines have got to go. Our way of life, our freedom depends on it. Diebold machines need to be replaced imediately with paper ballets. We literally need to boycott these cheating machines and go back to honesty and integrity.

Can you guys atleast agree with us that far?

[brien]

Quote by: Saint Vern Not true. Not in the least. The Albore people wanted to bend the standard of what is a vote district by district (in such a way as would benefit their candidate, of course). The Supremes correctly pointed out that the US Constitution says that the states have authority to govern their voting, and that what is law when the vote happens is law a day or more later when someone is pouting about having lost. Thus if the losing side wanted to "recount" the votes they had to do it all over the state, and they had to use the standard that already was in place. Therefore the desire to invent votes for Gore was a non-starter, and the voters got their man: President George W Bush. You lost. Get over it. :-D

What you are attributing to me was actually written in the link I provided so your argument is with the author of the link, if you even bothered to read it.

My point is that the elections in the US have been "stolen" for over 100 years. I have provided three instances. Read the "Rutherfraud" reference to President Hayes. If you would bother to study US history, or even read the link I provided, you would perhaps understand that political framing is nothing new in elections. You obvious political party affiliations blind your eyes to the historical truth in elections here in the US.

[US Independent]

How to prove the president stole the election. You can't. President Bush is in. Kerry never had a chance in. No, George Bush isn't the greatest president and no his policies haven't been the best. But what do you have to complain about? You have the ability to be on a computer without government interference. You have the ability to vote for your presidents. You have the ability to vote for the legislative, executive and ultimately your judicial branches of your government. President Bush isn't going to be around forever be thankful for that. There are many countries in the world (Cuba, China, and formerly Iraq) that did not have a choice. True Bush might have stole the election. But think about this, why would he do that. It's not like he controls America, far from it. He influences America. He doens't need the money he has plenty of it. It can't be for the publicity, everybody hates him. Why would he steal the election and what difference does it make if he does? Yeah we might have a nut that pulls troops out of the middle east but we will still have troops spread across the globe no matter what. What difference would it make.

[Chris]

Quote by: US Independent You have the ability to vote for your presidents. You have the ability to vote for the legislative, executive and ultimately your judicial branches of your government.

But you actually don't if the election were stolen and can be stolen, as pointed out earlier. Sure you have the ability to vote, but your vote doesn't count cause the election and all future elections will be handed to whomever can play the most dirty tricks. Whomever is better at "stealing" an election. So the voice of the people will not be heard. Hence, this discussion

[RVonse]

Quote by: US Independent How to prove the president stole the election. You can't. President Bush is in. Kerry never had a chance in. No, George Bush isn't the greatest president and no his policies haven't been the best. But what do you have to complain about?

The will of the people is under attack and goes directly against what America is supposed to be all about. The voting problems could be fixed easy if there wasn't already a soft dictatorship in place.

Quote by: US Independent You have the ability to be on a computer without government interference.

At the rate things are going, how long do you expect this to last?

Quote by: US Independent You have the ability to vote for your presidents. You have the ability to vote for the legislative, executive and ultimately your judicial branches of your government.

If the vote can not be trusted we have none of these.

Quote by: US Independent President Bush isn't going to be around forever be thankful for that.

I pray you are correct, but at this point he actually does have the power to stay much longer, perhaps indefinately. Don't forget that a state of war exists and the powers that go along with that.

Quote by: US Independent Why would he steal the election and what difference does it make if he does? .

$$$$ to his family and friends. Plus a big ego trip.

[PatrickHenry]

And now The Theif of Ohio runs for governor: http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/...icle_773.shtml

And guess what? He gets to count the votes in his own race!
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaind...260.xml&coll=2

That sounds about right!

It doesn't matter who votes...it's who COUNTS the votes! heh.

[rcne]

I'm from Ohio and a member of the GOP - and I will not support my party for any post within the state.

The trouble is there is nothing much from the other party - so I'm looking for independents, or any third party.

Its not much but its something. Though I find a two year old (2004) thread to still be active is beating a dead horse - isn't it. I'd much rather think of the future.

[US Independent]

Quote by: US Independent Why would he steal the election and what difference does it make if he does? .

$$$$ to his family and friends. Plus a big ego trip.
[/quote]

As seen on TV and listening to him Bush does not seem like the greedy type. As for the "ego" thing, I don't think a president with ratings below 50% could feel good about that. Do you think Bush is enjoying his job? Do you think Bush is in the back of the White House hopping with joy about his job performance or his job period? Do you think he is blissfully ignorant or unfortunately stupid? Why would Bush try to make a dictatorship. First you have to have a loyalty from the military and I think that this Iraq war thing is kind of blowing the loyalty thing.

Quit freaking out and vote for the guy you want in 2008. Bush is in, that's not going to change. Look to the future and quit spazzing out over the past.

[gr8fuldaniel]

New York Times picks up Kennedys investigative reporting:

NYT's Herbert: Kerry 'almost certainly' won Ohio in 2004 RAW STORY Published: Monday June 12, 2006 Latest breaking news: Advertising mag asks Coulter to kill herself In the 2004 presidential election, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) "almost certainly would have won Ohio if all of his votes had been counted, and if all of the eligible voters who tried to vote for him had been allowed to cast their ballots," writes columnist Bob Herbert for Monday's edition of The New York Times. Excerpts from Herbert's Op-Ed, Those Pesky Voters: # Republicans, and even a surprising number of Democrats, have been anxious to leave the 2004 Ohio election debacle behind. But Kennedy, in his long, heavily footnoted article ("Was the 2004 Election Stolen?"), leaves no doubt that the democratic process was trampled and left for dead in the Buckeye State. Kerry almost certainly would have won Ohio if all of his votes had been counted, and if all of the eligible voters who tried to vote for him had been allowed to cast their ballots. .... No one has been able to prove that the election in Ohio was hijacked. But whenever it is closely scrutinized, the range of problems and dirty tricks that come to light is shocking. What's not shocking, of course, is that every glitch and every foul-up in Ohio, every arbitrary new rule and regulation, somehow favored Bush. .... Walter Mebane Jr., a professor of government at Cornell University, did a statistical analysis of the vote in Franklin County, which includes the city of Columbus. He told Kennedy, "The allocation of voting machines in Franklin County was clearly biased against voters in precincts with high proportions of African-Americans." Mebane told me that he compared the distribution of voting machines in Ohio's 2004 presidential election with the distribution of machines for a primary election held the previous spring. For the primary, he said, "There was no sign of racial bias in the distribution of the machines." But for the general election in November, "there was substantial bias, with fewer voting machines per voter in areas that were heavily African-American." # TIMES SELECT SUBSCRIBERS CAN READ FULL OP-ED HERE

[Boetie]

I saw a static somewhere that stated that given the exit poll the odds is 900,000 to one against Bush Jr winning the election. So how did Bush Jr win it? Has anyone ever heard of a shaved dice?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Shaved dice, stacked decks, magnetic roulette wheels, two headed coins, shell games. They didnt miss a trick.

[tweetyboo]

This situation is crazy. Yes, until this day I believe that Gore should have been president. The election was stolen from him because of cheating. Then, there was Kerry, the election was stolen from him also. Bing! Bing! Bing! The republicans have to be doing something in the wrong. It is impossible for the same crap to happen twice in the world. However, this isn't the issue, the issue is to fix the election problems we are having today. We need to know the real outcome in these president elections. The votes are based upon the people's choices, and it seems as if it isn't that way. Come on,everyone knows that kerry won Ohio. And yes I will say, Gore won Florida for a fact. These president election issues are just ridiculous. What is the world coming to? WE NEED TO FIX THESE PROBLEMS!!!!!!

[twoanickel]

Quote by: Zhavric http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...ction_stolen/1 J Kenneth Blackwell... the J stands for "Judas". Basically, whatever the Repubs could think of to do in order the screw over the vote in THE swing state, they did... and they've (so far) gotten away with it. Kerry won in Ohio and should be president.

I agree, Zhavric, but it was rigged that way by both parties. Didn't you think it was strange that Kerry gave up so easily? We don't have a two party system. We have establishment party A and establishment party B and the establishment wanted Bush to win. Democrats and republicans are just tools the globalists use to deceive those who are willing to be deceived. The real name of the game is globalization and with few exceptions both democrats and republicans consider themselves to be "world citizens" and world rulers.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Zhavric http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...ction_stolen/1 J Kenneth Blackwell... the J stands for "Judas". Basically, whatever the Repubs could think of to do in order the screw over the vote in THE swing state, they did... and they've (so far) gotten away with it. Kerry won in Ohio and should be president.

And Nixon really beat Kennedy in 1960. Did he get the electoral votes? I don't see how you can steal them, and although yeah, yeah, so what?

[twoanickel]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe And Nixon really beat Kennedy in 1960. Did he get the electoral votes? I don't see how you can steal them, and although yeah, yeah, so what?

True. That is just one of several ways that Dan Quayle is no Jack Kennedy as Lloyd Bentsen said. Dan Quayle would not be a party to such corruption. Neither was Quayle's father a lowlife rumrunner, nor is Quayle an adulterer. Yep! Dan Quayle, by God's grace, is no Jack Kennedy.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: twoanickel I agree, Zhavric, but it was rigged that way by both parties. Didn't you think it was strange that Kerry gave up so easily? We don't have a two party system. We have establishment party A and establishment party B and the establishment wanted Bush to win. Democrats and republicans are just tools the globalists use to deceive those who are willing to be deceived. The real name of the game is globalization and with few exceptions both democrats and republicans consider themselves to be "world citizens" and world rulers.

A wonderfully astute observation in my opinion.


Sure, the two parties care who wins, but as long as it's one of the two major parties, they manage to live with the results. ( They are coconspirators after all. )


Now if a third parrty were to win a major election, you bet your ass there would be an investigation to end all investigations into the matter of who is wining elections in this country.


Want more evidence, Google The Commission on Presidential Debates, and have a good read at what passes for fair in this country in Twentyfirst Century.

[PatrickHenry]

Anybody with any doubts AT ALL should look through the lengthy discussion and presentation of evidence in this thread: FRAUD!

It is certain that the Ohio vote was fraudulent and that Kerry was elected President. Trouble is, I don't like him either. And he didn't even try for the goal when it was so evident. He's a co-conspirator.

Only Senator to stand with the congressional black Causcus was Boxer. Kerry's a Senator, too. What a puke...

[weasel]

Get over it; the election's over, Bush won, Kerry lost. End of story.

Besides, this isn't exactly the first squeeky or "devious" election America has had. What makes you think that we should reverse the desicion the majority of Americans voted for?

[Boetie]

weasel posts: Get over it; the election's over, Bush won...

Actually Bush Jr lost. He's in office via a stolen election. At least try to get your facts right weasel.

A correction of your post would read like this:

Get over it. the election's over Bush Jr is in office via a rigged election.

Doesn't it make it ludicrous for a person like Bush Jr running around talking about bringing democracy to the world when he had to steal both of his elections? The answer is: It makes Bush Jr a joke.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Kennedy to sue Fraudsters.

Rolling Stone: "Most email responses in history"

PR Week Interview: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. <snip> PRWeek: What reaction have you seen from the general public? Kennedy: There's a huge reaction. Rolling Stone told me that it's gotten two and a half times as many e-mails [about this article] as it's ever gotten for any other story in its history. So there's a huge appetite for this story. PRWeek: This story didn't have a 'smoking gun'; was there one person coordinating this entire operation? Kennedy: There's never going to be 100% certitude that the election was stolen, because the only way you could get that is by recounting the ballots, and the recount was illegally derailed by Republican operatives. The mastermind behind the efforts in Ohio was Kenneth Blackwell, along with…[Toledo elections official] Bernadette Noe. But on a national level, it's [Republican National Committee chairman] Kenneth Mehlman and Karl Rove. PRWeek: Have you gotten any reaction from the Republican Party on this? Kennedy: I've gotten, certainly, reaction in the blogosphere. But most of the reaction has been supportive. PRWeek: Is there a next step? Kennedy: I've been meeting with attorneys... to devise a litigation strategy. And I would say that very soon we'll be announcing lawsuits against some of the individuals and companies involved. PRWeek: Who exactly would that litigation be targeting? Kennedy: I wouldn't say, right now.