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Rainbow · May 25, 2006, 09:07 pm

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Quote by: Technosoul

The oil industry has been blamed for a number of environmental problems such as global warming, and for being the cause of medical problems such as cancer, the products cause smog and eye irritants.

The oil industry has been blamed by conspiritors for being behind a number of "economic" wars.

The oil industry has been blamed for ripping you off at the gas pumps by falsely manipulating the "supply and demand" standards to fix prices.

The oil industry has been blamed for controlling the political system with large donations and lobby groups.

So is that business like an "evil empire"? (I am not using the word evil in a religious sense - but as a secular word in this posting).

Whoever holds a grip over the source for energy, rules.
Do not expect any kindenss from them. Those guys do everything not to lose that grip, since the oil and gas stand for a lucrative business, that no one would give it up for free.

Rainbow · May 25, 2006, 09:09 pm

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Marilyn Monroe · Jun 1, 2006, 06:39 am

I say, " Thank God" for the oil industry.

I think gas is a bargain. Has anybody seen what goes into refining gas? It's not waving a magic wand.

I love being able to get into my car and go, and not having to walk everywhere. What a drag that is. You wouldn't experience hardly anything having to walk or ride a bike. We have what we have because of the oil industry.

gavino · Jun 2, 2006, 10:42 am

Hey liberals-- wake up!

How do you think the oil industry got so big and "evil" in the first place?

Why do you think alternative fuels have such a hard time competing?

Why do you think alternative means of transportation (buses, trains, ...) have a hard time competing with cars?

Big Government has been subsidizing the oil and car industries for years. Federal roads, the National Oil Reserve, drilling rights given out like candy... and now we're all paying again for all those nice government programs.

If you want to get rid of Big, Evil, Oil, get rid of the laws, regulations, and subsidies that keep alternatives from competing.

Couple of quick little examples: didja know that there's a tariff on Brazilian ethanol? Why? Because american corn growers are a powerful lobby.

Didja know that ethanol is a natural byproduct of processing sugarcane to get sugar? That's why Brazilian ethanol is so cheap, and why Brazilians enjoy a cheap, clean, global-warming-friendly alternative fuel for their cars.

So why don't we grow more sugarcane here in America? Because the sugar beet and corn growers lobbies got the government to essentially destroy the sugarcane industry here by subsidizing corn (you want some high fructose corn syrup with thos fries?) and beets.

Technosoul · Jun 2, 2006, 11:19 am

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We probably don't have enough evidence or proof that the oil companies are evil in and of themselves, therefore I voted '"no".

But we do know for sure that the vice president conducted a secret meeting with oil authorities and the results of that task force remain secret even today. Think about that just for a second. Our elected vice president is supposed to have the best interest of the public at heart, yet he can't for some reason let anyone know what he is up to. This is what I know is evil.

Here is some evidence about wrong doings as well as an outline of one business. This webpage also has links to other "watchdog" web sites. I selected Halliburton as my first example because they are now newsworthy due to the Iraq war effort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton

Technosoul · Jun 2, 2006, 11:25 am

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Quote by: Marilyn Monroe

I say, " Thank God" for the oil industry.

I think gas is a bargain. Has anybody seen what goes into refining gas? It's not waving a magic wand.

I love being able to get into my car and go, and not having to walk everywhere. What a drag that is. You wouldn't experience hardly anything having to walk or ride a bike. We have what we have because of the oil industry.

That is one good point in favor of "big oil". Had it not been for Henry Ford and the oil industry we would still be a 3rd world country and our industrial revolution would never had taken place, nor the other kinds of progress that we can now enjoy.

eburchelli · Jun 2, 2006, 01:26 pm

Our government once again comes in at the head of the class on complicity, mainly with environmentalists, to keep Americans hooked on oil. Oil companies do what oil companies do, what all companies do - they invest, research, develop, manufacture and sell their product, so they can keep on keeping on..

Supply and demand creates the market for most products. If people didn't buy gasoline, prices would have to go down because supplies would exceed storage capacity. But the people are only secondary in the blame game because the government should have allowed alternatives to be developed but environmentalists and their supporters (liberals take note) stood in the way of most of the logical replacements. And they still do. Just ask Ted Kennedy why he opposes that wind farm off Nantucket. Ask any number of congress people why we aren't drilling for oil in ANWR or on our coastal plains. Cuba is allowing China to drill between Cuba and Key West, FL. That should be our domain. Until or unless alternatives to oil become common place, we will pay the price, whether we like it or not. It's just easier to blame the oil companies than ourselves.

Technosoul · Jun 6, 2006, 01:36 am

Well, I would not thank God for anything that comes from a prehistoric serpents tomb (aka fossil fuel).

Let's do some real research and see what our oil companies are doing as they go about their "normal business" to find and produce their products.

Halliburton:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton

War for oil...

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...196528488.html

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/philligr.html

http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/exhibits/...oil/page2.html

Now lets look at the impact on our environment.

http://news.google.com/news?q=oil+sp...=news&ct=title

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smog

Oil wasteland

Milton Bradley · Jun 16, 2006, 09:20 pm

Hmmm, I guess big oil is pretty dirty after all.

This weeks NOW, from PBS, is "Crude Awakening", and what a fitting title it is.

Read, and enjoy.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/224/index.html

Don't forget to follow the links.

Osborn F Enready · Jun 17, 2006, 10:29 am

Great, GREAT episode of NOW, showing the bi-partisan (Quigley style) conspiracy against the taxpayers of America.

Krazyjuice · Jun 17, 2006, 11:26 pm

If there were other fuel options at gas stations available at a lower prices, I'm sure oil companies would go out of business. Lower prices would translate into greater demand in the long run. As it is now, most people only have two options. Gasoline and diesel. I doubt oil companies are going to give up 100% marketshare that easily without some kind of government intervention.

Osborn F Enready · Jun 19, 2006, 01:30 pm

Small business can't compete in this market against corporations like BP, Shell, Citgo, etc.

Our laws are being written to disenfranchise the small business, as opposed to fostering them.

Milton Bradley · Jun 29, 2006, 09:35 am

Resouces Committee Member Rep. John Peterson ( R, Penn. ) said today on Washington Journal that the US is the only nation on earth that has barred industry from it's off-shore natural gas reserves.

Now I'm not one to lobby for big industry, but Mr. Peterson raises a good point in his participation on todays show where he askes...

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Quote by: Rep. Peterson

"Lets just try to imagine a scenario where big oil starts to off-shore, and out source jobs because Washington won't let them drill where the resource exists."

Chilling. Another critical resource to national security is obviously considering moving outside the country.

It is also sort of telling that they have banned exploration, and drilling for what is essentially the perfect fuel. Particularly in light of the prices, and the global warming issues.

How we ever developed a problem with incumbency remains a mystery to me.

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Jun 1, 2006, 06:39 am	#23 (permalink) (top)
Marilyn Monroe dog lover Location: over the rainbow Posts: 1,275	is the oil I say, " Thank God" for the oil industry. I think gas is a bargain. Has anybody seen what goes into refining gas? It's not waving a magic wand. I love being able to get into my car and go, and not having to walk everywhere. What a drag that is. You wouldn't experience hardly anything having to walk or ride a bike. We have what we have because of the oil industry. "My one regret in life is that I'm not somebody else." - Woody Allen

Jun 17, 2006, 10:29 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Great, GREAT episode of NOW, showing the bi-partisan (Quigley style) conspiracy against the taxpayers of America. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jun 19, 2006, 01:30 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Small business can't compete in this market against corporations like BP, Shell, Citgo, etc. Our laws are being written to disenfranchise the small business, as opposed to fostering them. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

May 25, 2006, 09:09 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
Rainbow Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	There is something seriously wrong with servers. No page is being updated. 1 of my submitted posts never surfaced.

Jun 2, 2006, 10:42 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
gavino Sedimentary Rock Posts: 14	Hey liberals-- wake up! How do you think the oil industry got so big and "evil" in the first place? Why do you think alternative fuels have such a hard time competing? Why do you think alternative means of transportation (buses, trains, ...) have a hard time competing with cars? Big Government has been subsidizing the oil and car industries for years. Federal roads, the National Oil Reserve, drilling rights given out like candy... and now we're all paying again for all those nice government programs. If you want to get rid of Big, Evil, Oil, get rid of the laws, regulations, and subsidies that keep alternatives from competing. Couple of quick little examples: didja know that there's a tariff on Brazilian ethanol? Why? Because american corn growers are a powerful lobby. Didja know that ethanol is a natural byproduct of processing sugarcane to get sugar? That's why Brazilian ethanol is so cheap, and why Brazilians enjoy a cheap, clean, global-warming-friendly alternative fuel for their cars. So why don't we grow more sugarcane here in America? Because the sugar beet and corn growers lobbies got the government to essentially destroy the sugarcane industry here by subsidizing corn (you want some high fructose corn syrup with thos fries?) and beets.

Jun 2, 2006, 01:26 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	Our government once again comes in at the head of the class on complicity, mainly with environmentalists, to keep Americans hooked on oil. Oil companies do what oil companies do, what all companies do - they invest, research, develop, manufacture and sell their product, so they can keep on keeping on.. Supply and demand creates the market for most products. If people didn't buy gasoline, prices would have to go down because supplies would exceed storage capacity. But the people are only secondary in the blame game because the government should have allowed alternatives to be developed but environmentalists and their supporters (liberals take note) stood in the way of most of the logical replacements. And they still do. Just ask Ted Kennedy why he opposes that wind farm off Nantucket. Ask any number of congress people why we aren't drilling for oil in ANWR or on our coastal plains. Cuba is allowing China to drill between Cuba and Key West, FL. That should be our domain. Until or unless alternatives to oil become common place, we will pay the price, whether we like it or not. It's just easier to blame the oil companies than ourselves.

Jun 6, 2006, 01:36 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Well, I would not thank God for anything that comes from a prehistoric serpents tomb (aka fossil fuel). Let's do some real research and see what our oil companies are doing as they go about their "normal business" to find and produce their products. Halliburton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton War for oil... http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...196528488.html http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/philligr.html http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/exhibits/...oil/page2.html Now lets look at the impact on our environment. http://news.google.com/news?q=oil+sp...=news&ct=title http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smog Oil wasteland

Jun 16, 2006, 09:20 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	Hmmm, I guess big oil is pretty dirty after all. This weeks NOW, from PBS, is "Crude Awakening", and what a fitting title it is. Read, and enjoy. http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/224/index.html Don't forget to follow the links.

Jun 17, 2006, 11:26 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
Krazyjuice newjack Posts: 76	If there were other fuel options at gas stations available at a lower prices, I'm sure oil companies would go out of business. Lower prices would translate into greater demand in the long run. As it is now, most people only have two options. Gasoline and diesel. I doubt oil companies are going to give up 100% marketshare that easily without some kind of government intervention.