A 21st Century American Civil War

[bob60292]

I agree with you Osborne. But the other half of the problem is government involvement in medical licensing which deliberately allows the government to reduce the number of health care professionals, thus artificially, and financially those who are already in it. If the universities apparently can't determine who is a quack and who isn't with all the testing and requirements they have for graduation, how could the government or a single medical exam do it.It's a simple question of supply and demand. Get the government to reduce or eliminate the competition and reap in the big bucks.
Osborne,(and others) I think you are right; but the problem today is not just socialized medicine. The real problem is the statist, big brother, socialized mentality that has been deliberately, skillfully and subversively infiltrating current American mentality. The founding fathers of our nation warned us about the dangers allowing the government to become too powerful. now that is has, we can see why. We are, as a nation, in a social, financial, medical, unproductive, war ridden, royal mess.

[Osborn F Enready]

Bob, check out this post I made long ago on this forum, and a couple I made following it.

(please check out these two threads, the others are optional)
Lengthy,factual opinion on the problems in the US
Some thoughts on American issues and times for debate

Q&A approach to opening new understanding
Drug laws; should they be taken off the books?
Bush's use of signing statements......treason in action
The balance of economic power.


And a couple from Pat Henry adressing the issues....

Characteristics of a Police/Security State
Vote Rigging in America

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: twoanickel And you think that is just peachy keen!

I hope you're not using the same intuition that got you this conclusion to make your stock market picks.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Zeebadee Quote by: twoanickel And you think that is just peachy keen! I hope you're not using the same intuition that got you this conclusion to make your stock market picks.

Yeah, Zeeb. He doesn't know ya'...

[twoanickel]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Yeah, Zeeb. He doesn't know ya'...

Yeah, I don't spend much time on this forum. Sorry if I misunderstood.

[PatrickHenry]

Zeebadee is aware of the approaching tyranny. His analysis is slightly different in believing that the US elites will rule. But I disagree with that and am more in line with twoanickel. The elitists are internationalists and care nothing for US hegemony, using it only as a tool to advance an agenda. These guys are cagey chess players and plan their moves ten turns in advance.

That is why I disagree with debaters like Sonart who thinks the Iraq War was a mistake. I think it was purposeful, a means to create a Jihad for the next 100 years. (Oceania vs Eurasia, Goldstein is the object of hate and fear?) OBL didn't sucker punch us. He's on the payroll...

[twoanickel]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Zeebadee is aware of the approaching tyranny. His analysis is slightly different in believing that the US elites will rule. But I disagree with that and am more in line with twoanickel. The elitists are internationalists and care nothing for US hegemony, using it only as a tool to advance an agenda. These guys are cagey chess players and plan their moves ten turns in advance. That is why I disagree with debaters like Sonart who thinks the Iraq War was a mistake. I think it was purposeful, a means to create a Jihad for the next 100 years. (Oceania vs Eurasia, Goldstein is the object of hate and fear?) OBL didn't sucker punch us. He's on the payroll...

Isn't it strange, Patrick, that some can be so informed of what is really taking place and others can be so apathetic and not even wish to informed??

[nm420]

Quote by: twoanickel Isn't it strange, Patrick, that some can be so informed of what is really taking place and others can be so apathetic and not even wish to informed??

Not if they've been beat like a dog their whole life and have no hopes for the future. That's why our school system is so insidious--it breaks the spirit of our young before they even get a clue that something is wrong, and by the time they've figured it out they've no imagination or courage to try and do something about it. The clockwork precision with which all of this crap works could be considered beautiful, if one weren't mired in its evils.

[Osborn F Enready]

NM420 said: Not if they've been beat like a dog their whole life and have no hopes for the future. That's why our school system is so insidious--it breaks the spirit of our young before they even get a clue that something is wrong, and by the time they've figured it out they've no imagination or courage to try and do something about it. The clockwork precision with which all of this crap works could be considered beautiful, if one weren't mired in its evils.

I say:
That is VERY well worded, and I couldn't agree more. Do you mind if I cut and paste that statement to my personal quotes collection for future use, of course, crediting you as the author?

[Beer]

The only Americans willng to fight are the military. Everything else is a joke. Everything I encounter is a nomadic non- caring unpatriotism that is the source of all the evils we have to face. We once were the proudest and strongest country with our liberty displayed for all to see. Now we would be hardput to find a patriot of his own frontyard. So sad. The blood that has flowed from American veins has seemingly saturated the minds of everyone. All that everyone can imagine is how much time do I get to watch MTV. Civil War? A crapshoot! A dissolution,maybe. And I have to watch as my country slowly dies. Pitiful, wasteful, and my eyes are open.

[Osborn F Enready]

Perhaps getting off the couch is the first step Beer?

Welcome to the forum, and allow me to introduce you to some ACTIVE Americans?
http://www.freestateproject.org/

[Beer]

I am THE patriot. You cannot dare to test me. Your commentary will only solicit strength and solidity from a man that has had enough of this liberality and selfishness. I am American and I need no TV to witness our fall. It exists in the words.

[Osborn F Enready]

While I may agree, you are new, and I don't know a word of your position except what has been spoken.

Perhaps a little elaboration of your stance may lend credibility as well as solidarity in your goals and values, eh?

Nothing speaks more than solid facts, and well worded delivery, but as of now I only know your name is beer, and you are fed up with something, which is quite unclear.

Speak your mind, voice your opinion, as in like, DEBATE, rant or get off the pot.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: nm420 Not if they've been beat like a dog their whole life and have no hopes for the future. That's why our school system is so insidious--it breaks the spirit of our young before they even get a clue that something is wrong, and by the time they've figured it out they've no imagination or courage to try and do something about it. The clockwork precision with which all of this crap works could be considered beautiful, if one weren't mired in its evils.

I saw a letter to the editor of the San Francisco Chronicle that I thought was applicable here.

"Editor -- I think that various letter-writers, media pundits and Democratic politicians are pretty clueless when they accuse Republicans with ignoring "real problems" in favor of focusing on straw-man issues such as same-sex marriage and flag burning.

I know that when most of us think of issues such as the war in Iraq, terrorism, stagnant wages, skyrocketing federal budget deficits, global warming, high gas prices, a struggling educational system, AIDS, obesity, corporate and political corruption and much, much more, we see "problems," negative situations that need to be fixed.

But to the Washington Republicans, these are not problems at all. They are the intended, desired, planned-for results of their policies, votes and ideology. To expect them to be trying to "fix" things they see nothing wrong with -- and have, in many cases, worked actively to create -- is simply pointless.

To the GOP, everything is going according to plan.

PETER COULOMBE

San Leandro "

Unfortunately for us citizens, the democrats are no better.

[Osborn F Enready]

Zee, I completely agree with that whole post, especially after seeing what you added at the end.

Unfortunately for us citizens, the democrats are no better.

It's time for the two party facade to fall down.

[Jack]

Why even have parties? Why shouldn't each person run on their own merits, their own solutions to the issues? I'd rather vote for someone that says, "I'l do ----- and -----" than a person who just spouts the party line.

[Osborn F Enready]

I agree 100% Isherwood, and I have said a 1000 times I am not partisan.

The day the Libertarians leave their current platform to "conform to the concensus of the greater public" is the day I leave the party.

I don't give a damn about party, but I have been here long enough to know that not one member, not a single one that will ever be put forward by either the Republicans or Democrats COULD be honestly representative, because if they were, the party wouldn't nominate them, or support them.
The lie has gone on for 156 years, straight, no changes. Want government to grow, just add Republicans or Democrats to office, stand back and watch.

I would rather be non-partisan all together, as well as I think the only way we could have honest elections would be to limit election funds to one pot, split evenly between all canidates. Money should not be a requirement to run for office. Knowledge, ideas, leadership and respect for Constitutional Law should be required, but not money.

I know you may think I am partisan because I talk a lot about the Libertarians, but that is only because they fully verbalize in their platform what I consider to be the fundamentals of Constitutional Government.

I want to know why "isolationism" is a bad word. Is everyone a nosy asshole, or what?

[twoanickel]

Enready--isolationism is a bad word only because the CFR wants a one world government and they control the media, the spin, and both establishment party A and establishment party B. I think we need to rename those two parites. Anytime they field a candidate who has CFR ties, call it the CFR party. That would be realistic and accurately portray what is happening to our country. Why should that gaggle of parasites be allowed to rule over us??
They and the federalists they feed off of are the source of almost ALL our problems.

The sins we commit are almost always personal missteps but there are always those like the Pharaoh, Stalin, and Hitler who try to throw God off His throne and rule over men in His place. Such people are always the greatest danger to any society or nation..As a matter of fact, CFR people had a hand in the rise to power of both
stalin and Hitler. G.W. Bush's grandfather bankrolled Hitler. NOW!!! All you "conservatives"
scoff at that and elect another Bonesman!! Go ahead. That is what I expect of you.

[Osborn F Enready]

twoanickel, I must say that while I agree with most of your political discussion, I shudder at the words like "God, Pharaoh, His" etc.

Belief is a powerful thing, but it is different to each of us, as it should be.

Using religion as a "crutch" for an argument, does not win points with me, it actually removes points for the argument in my opinion.

When we put a leader in office, who is that SWORN OATH taken to serve? The public, The Constitution.....UNDER GOD. They are not servants to God, nor any particular God, but they swear before him as tradition has been that way.

Politicians are SERVANTS of the people, and are meant to be REPRESENTATIVE of the people, not God or any particular Gods wishes.

If a politician, much like Bush, gets in office and places his oath and service to GOD before ME, as is intended by his position, I am already not only skeptical, but UPSET!

You can serve God your entire life all you want as YOU see fit, but when you swear into office you are SERVING THE PEOPLE, and God comes second in ALL of those political decisions.

We are not, were not, nor should ever be in my opinion, a theocracy.

What makes Christians think this is a Christian country anyway? Are there any other religious figure heads who are referred to as a "God" by their followers? So why then do Christians automatically assume our nation is CHRISTIAN because we say the GENERIC word God, as opposed to God, with Christ as our Saviour?

No sarcasm intended, this is probably off topic also, so if you want, answer me via PM.

[nm420]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready That is VERY well worded, and I couldn't agree more. Do you mind if I cut and paste that statement to my personal quotes collection for future use, of course, crediting you as the author?

I would need to be fairly compensated for my intellectual property, you know. Heh, no really, I would be flattered (be that for better or worse) if you consider my post worthy of quoting. Eat your heart out.

Quote by: Zeebadee Unfortunately for us citizens, the democrats are no better.

Alas, growing up with a blue-collar dad and a mother working for the state dispensing welfare, it's taken me a while to shed the notion that the Democrats are somehow better than the Republicans, or even the "lesser of two evils". After voting for Kerry (shudder), I've finally worked all of that crap out of my system and could hardly consider voting for either of the two mainstream parties. A humongous task set before me will to try and convince my parents that a vote for Hilary is no different than a vote for Bush.

But are there any Congresspersons in Washington right now who are actually true to the principles their stated party lays claim to? I've heard of many good things about Ron Paul, though I've not done enough research to know how consistent he is. Does anybody know of anyone in Congress who is actually a "good guy"?