Why Should Taxpayers Fund a Black Budget?

[PatrickHenry]

No denying that it exists, the Black Budget.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/3.11/patton_pr.html

Why shouldn't taxpayers tell lawmakers we won't pay for what we can't know about?

Why do they think it's ok to force money from us and we are just supposed to trust....somebody?

[PatrickHenry]

Why doesn't anyone want to talk about this?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0401/S00151.htm

The CIA has the unique legal ability among all US government departments and agencies to generate funds through appropriations of other federal government agencies and other sources “without regard to any provisions of law” and without regard to the intent behind Congressional appropriations. [2] Every year, billions of dollars of Congressional appropriations are diverted from their Congressionally sanctioned purposes to the CIA and DoD based intelligence agencies without knowledge of the public and with the collusion of Congressional leaders. The covert world of ‘black programs’ acts with virtual impunity, overseen and regulated by itself, funding itself through secret slush funds, and is free of the limitations that come from Congressional oversight, proper auditing procedures and public scrutiny. This report examines the existence of a CIA ‘black budget’ and an extensive network of ‘black projects’ that it funds. The report identifies the legal framework established by the US Congress for the creation of a CIA ‘black budget’ from the appropriations earmarked for other federal agencies that are siphoned through the CIA as the sole conduit of black budget funds. The report investigates the legal challenges to the constitutionality of the CIA’s black budget; how the CIA uses its legal authority to extract appropriations from government agencies such as HUD; how the CIA even launders non-appropriated money through other federal agencies; and the efforts the CIA goes to prevent these financial transfers from being exposed. Using as a case study the legal difficulties faced by an innovative mortgage finance company, Hamilton Securities, the report will argue that the CIA’s covert role in Hamilton’s demise is compelling evidence that the CIA was involved in funding irregularities in HUD. The key to uncovering the true size of the black budget are the chronic accounting anomalies in the DoD budget that reveal that as much as one trillion US dollars is annually being siphoned by the CIA into the DoD for secret distribution to various military intelligence agencies and the ‘deep black’ programs they respectively support. All of this, it will be argued, has dubious constitutional status but is made legal by the various Congressional enactments, senior Congressional officials and the Executive Office. It will be finally argued that the size of black budget, the secrecy surrounding it, the extent senior officials in Federal agencies go to targeting individuals and companies that threaten to reveal where Congressional appropriations are ultimately going, suggest a vast network of ‘deep black projects’ that collectively form a highly classified second Manhattan Project whose existence, goals and budget are kept secret.

[tman_ndsu08]

I'm with you.

All records of how public money is spent should be public.

[Milton Bradley]

I think he knows many of us are with him, but nobody seems to want to talk about it just the same. Perhaps that should be seen as evidence that this is scary shit.


I guess the most interesting thing that comes to mind when I see this, is what created the need for the illegal Black Ops budget?


I guess what I'm asking is, is drug dealing a militaristic Psy Ops sort of thing that preceed the looting, and takeover, or is my government selling drugs strictly for the tax free funds?


Any ideas Uncle Patrick, people?

[PatrickHenry]

It's about the looting of the taxpayers as well as making millions on drugs.

Anybody wanting to talk about this, do a little research. Try Google "black budget".

This subject is difficult for the SuitMonsters to spin into anything acceptable to the people. Hard for official disinformation to take root.

[brien]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Why doesn't anyone want to talk about this? http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0401/S00151.htm

PH: You know we are mostly all going to disagree with this budget but what are we supposed to do about it? Withhold our income taxes and go to jail? We live in a Fascist totalitarian society that will imprison us for merely refusing to pay income tax. What exactly do you suggest we do here ?

[Samildanach]

Ha! you are all going to guantanamo, I have been monitoring your activity for black ops purposes for years and we cannot have this thread create an uprising and questioning of our budget. You will all be kidnapped in the middle of the night tied down and your feet tickled with feathers so you will give up your co-conspirators!

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: brien You know we are mostly all going to disagree with this budget but what are we supposed to do about it? Withhold our income taxes and go to jail? We live in a Fascist totalitarian society that will imprison us for merely refusing to pay income tax. What exactly do you suggest we do here ?

Well, at least we can talk about it...

[brien]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Well, at least we can talk about it...

I know but sometimes I get so weary talking about shit we can't do anything about in this nation. I also know this is no reason not to discuss this. Don't mind me it's Friday, been raining here in Ct since last Monday with no end in sight, and I am looking for more lighter stuff. Now I know how the poeple in Seattle feel sometimes. :(

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: brien ...been raining here in Ct since last Monday with no end in sight...

That's funny. It's a beautiful day here in Hawaii...Sunny and 70.

[jose]

April 21, 2006 -- SPECIAL REPORT.

Porter Goss's Cocaine Import Agency (CIA) has links to "Al Qaeda" and Saudis. Last year, WMR reported on links between the Saudi Royal Family and CIA proprietary airline companies involved in cocaine smuggling. On April 10, Mexican police, acting on a tip from INTERPOL, seized a DC-9 aircraft carrying 5.5 tons of cocaine with an estimated street value of $100 million. The U.S.-registered plane was en route from Caracas, Venezuela, which, according to French intelligence, is a known hub for cocaine shipments from Colombia to Saudi Arabia (see article below). The DC-9 (registration number N900SA) made an emergency landing at Ciudad del Carmen in Campeche state. A Falcon aircraft that arrived at Ciudad del Carmen from Toluca airport in Mexico state in advance of the arrival of the DC-9 was also seized. The cocaine was contained in 128 suitcases. The Mexican police later claimed the unidentified DC-9's pilot managed to escape. However, the police did arrest the co-pilot.

The DC-9 was painted in the familiar blue and white colors of the U.S. Transportation Security Administration with am official-looking seal with an American eagle bearing the inscription: "Sky Way Aircraft - Protection of America's Skies." The registered owner of the aircraft is: Royal Sons Inc., 15875 Fairchild Drive, Clearwater, Florida. On April 5, 2006, the plane flew from St. Petersburg/Clearwater International to Simon Bolivar International in Caracas. "Sky Ways" (see article below) has also been linked to the Saudi government and Bush family/CIA activities. Royal Sons, the name of which may indicate the involvement of Saudi princes, such as the cocaine-transporting Prince Nayif, cited below, also maintained an office at 224 East Airport Ave., Venice, Florida, at the same time lead hijacker Mohammad Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi were training at Huffman Aviation, which was located near by at 400 East Airport Avenue. Two years before 911, Venice was also the subject of intensive intelligence operations by Israeli intelligence agents masquerading as "art students." Not surprisingly in light of Saudi involvement with cocaine smuggling, the activities of the Israelis drew the particular attention of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), which had Venice airport under surveillance and later prepared a lengthy report on the activities of the Israelis. Atta and al Shehhi also used Clearwater airport for practice take-off and landings during off-peak hours.
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

[brien]

Quote by: PatrickHenry That's funny. It's a beautiful day here in Hawaii...Sunny and 70.

Funny eh? Rub it in why don't you....I feel like the character in Ray Bradbury's " The Illustrated Man" who is searching for the sundomes. Why aren't you out surfing man?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: brien Funny eh? Rub it in why don't you....I feel like the character in Ray Bradbury's " The Illustrated Man" who is searching for the sundomes. Why aren't you out surfing man?

The government is clamping down on the waves since the tsunami. :rolleyes:

[RVonse]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Well, at least we can talk about it...

So the NSA can put our thoughts in their hard drives?

Who does the CIA officially report to anyway? Is it true that they can legitimently withold information from the President and/or Congress?

It kind of looks like there may be 4 branches in our government but only 3 of them provide checks and balances.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: RVonse It kind of looks like there may be 4 branches in our government but only 3 of them provide checks and balances.

It almost seems as if there are five. The familiar three, the secret agencies, and their rogue counterparts. The scary part is which group seems to have all the power these days.

[Apeman81]

The much beloved, Hollywood whispered, glamorized edition of "Black-ops" to which this article alludes is far from the images and glimpses they try to portray.

It’s really just a bunch of intelligent, dedicated men and women who are striving to make putting one’s head to pillow within the confines of our borders a peaceful and eventful occurrence.

People who work hard and at times risk much to keep those who need to know, i.e. those who can do something about it, of the dangers to our sovereignty and peace.

But dark images of inscrutable men of nefarious natures, each striving to do evil under the guise of stopping evil, is so much better for a plot twist.

Perhaps scrutiny of elected officials has lead to a jaundiced eye toward anything governmental. There is plenty of reason in that. But the volunteer, unelected, apolitical at the worker level, these men and women want to protect their nation, and go home to their families at night. Much like ordinary soldiers.

[Apeman81]

Quote by: Milton Bradley It almost seems as if there are five. The familiar three, the secret agencies, and their rogue counterparts. The scary part is which group seems to have all the power these days.

you omit the Press?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Apeman81 It’s really just a bunch of intelligent, dedicated men and women who are striving to make putting one’s head to pillow within the confines of our borders a peaceful and eventful occurrence. People who work hard and at times risk much to keep those who need to know, i.e. those who can do something about it, of the dangers to our sovereignty and peace....

THAT'S what I was looking for Apeman! Somebody to justify spending billions on they know not what!

Thanks for not letting me down. Guess what? Every tyrant has trusting minions...

[RVonse]

Quote by: Apeman81 The much beloved, Hollywood whispered, glamorized edition of "Black-ops" to which this article alludes is far from the images and glimpses they try to portray. .

Unchecked and unaccountable power is always going to end in some kind of corruption. The principles of human nature has been well known since the beginning of the U.S. by George Washington and others even before him.

Tell us Apeman, where is the accountability for the CIA? Who do they report to? How does our tax money get spent?

[Charon]

Quote by: brien Quote by: PatrickHenry Well, at least we can talk about it... I know but sometimes I get so weary talking about shit we can't do anything about in this nation. I also know this is no reason not to discuss this. Don't mind me it's Friday, been raining here in Ct since last Monday with no end in sight, and I am looking for more lighter stuff. Now I know how the poeple in Seattle feel sometimes. :(

That's the funny thing, we can do something about it. But, it takes "Joe six-pack" to put down his beer, tv remote, and get up off of his ass to make it happen. Marx once said, "religion is the opiate of the masses". Now, it's sports, racial unrest, etc. Whatever can be brought to the forefront to alter the focus of the people "en masse", and keep them from turning a scrutinizing eye upon the federal government; which has become a self-perpetuating engine feeding off of those it's supposed to protect.