Someone sent me this, so here it is: Jesus died in India...

[Mr.Vicchio]

http://www.tombofjesus.com/news/FAQ/

Facinating read, really.

Thought you guys would enjoy it.

[Mr.Vicchio]

It's not a joke btw, these people really believe that Jesus survived the Cruxifiction, and went to India, and died there and is buried.

[Osborn F Enready]

Oh, my world is shattered. (said in John Kerry monotone, boring voice while yawning )

[Mr.Vicchio]

Wow... I figured this would spark some discussions.. not smart alekness.

My mistake. Next time I will just go into how great Jesus is to gvie the athiest a reason to come hounding...

[Ghumanto]

The Indian Muslims know this for many years. Muslims call Jesus as Yousuf .
Kashmir was named as heaven for many thousand years.

As per Muslim belief, Yousuf was taken away before being killed, the Romans killed another person ( look alike ). Yousuf then lived in Kashmir and died after a peaceful life.

Fyi, this belief is so strong that the tomb of Yousuf is a revered place for the Muslims for many many years.

[Foundation Ston]

The article just goes to show those who believe in the truth just how messed up the world truly is....

For Jesus to not have died on the cross, but travelled to India, would make null and void His tremendous work on that cross.

[Osborn F Enready]

Religion is a man made method of controlling other men.

While many of the actions that various religions talk of, may have happened here or there, the meaning as WRITTEN is simply manipulation of thoughts and labor.

[Foundation Ston]

Man made tradition is what polluted things to begin with. It is not human nature to believe in something you cannot see or manipulate......

[Osborn F Enready]

Foundation Stone said: Man made tradition is what polluted things to begin with.

I say:
And what is the widest modern circulated tradition that is still with us?

Religion.

Foundation Stone said: It is not human nature to believe in something you cannot see or manipulate.

I say:
I agree, hence the reason man started religion. When things happened that early man could not explain, his desire for answers HAD to be satiated with SOMETHING. That something was the supernatural, and/or, religion. Religion, was a man created answer, to problems man did not directly create. (Rain, Sun, Wind, Earth, etc.)

[Foundation Ston]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Foundation Stone said: Man made tradition is what polluted things to begin with. I say: And what is the widest modern circulated tradition that is still with us? Religion. Foundation Stone said: It is not human nature to believe in something you cannot see or manipulate. I say: I agree, hence the reason man started religion. When things happened that early man could not explain, his desire for answers HAD to be satiated with SOMETHING. That something was the supernatural, and/or, religion. Religion, was a man created answer, to problems man did not directly create. (Rain, Sun, Wind, Earth, etc.)

That is exactly right, because the human mind cannot discern those things that are of the Spirit. Man can attempt to manipulate by changing or adding their will into the mix. It is not in that human nature to believe in the unseen, but the Spirit exists in those areas that are unseen and is sprirtual discerned. If you are not a believer these things will be nonsense to you.

Man has even attempted to manipulate the elements. Man's mind is in a perpetual state of manipulation and it's based in a particular belief system. As he tries to bend his beliefs into his reality, BUT it is impossible because he tries to make those things that are unseen and traditionlize them to make them seen. Just cannot be done.

[Osborn F Enready]

Foundation Stone said: That is exactly right, because the human mind cannot discern those things that are of the Spirit.

I say:
What spirit?

Foundation Stone said: Man can attempt to manipulate by changing or adding their will into the mix. It is not in that human nature to believe in the unseen, but the Spirit exists in those areas that are unseen and is sprirtual discerned. If you are not a believer these things will be nonsense to you.

I say:
So if I believe that water will rise as opposed to fall here on earth at elevation 100ft, will that make the reality in the physical world change? No. Does it make it more or less nonsensical? More. Based on what? That we can observe that water will not rise, it will fall, therfore the "belief" is unfounded. Does that make the belief WRONG if held by an individual? No, because an individual has free choice to decide what he or she chooses to believe. Does it make the belief wrong if held by a form of government? Yes, because the government is using force to alter peoples choice in their personal thoughts, and ideas especially in the regulation of its expression.

So, if religion is kept at a "individual level", it is a "non-agitator" in society.

If religion is allowed to be manipulated to direct peoples actions such as in "coercing votes, use of money to affect politics or government, public conditioning(such as "God" being in the pledge of allegiance) etc.", we have a system that is altered by "personal" views or beleifs UNJUSTLY limitiing and repelling or advocating a particular religion.

That would be illegal, and Unconstitutional.

Foundation Stone said: Man has even attempted to manipulate the elements. Man's mind is in a perpetual state of manipulation and it's based in a particular belief system.

I say:
Yes, that of sceince and the UNDERSTANDING of the PHYSICAL world. We can only put faith in the tangible as a people, since SOCIETY affects us all. We can put faith in whatever we wish as an individual, since the "results" of the belief will be isolated to the person who holds it.

Common sense.

Foundation Stone said: As he tries to bend his beliefs into his reality, BUT it is impossible because he tries to make those things that are unseen and traditionlize them to make them seen. Just cannot be done.

I say:
Beliefs are as wide and far as life itself. EVERY person has a different belief on everything, TO SOME FINITE DEGREE.

Having a belief, that dictates a way of life, is fine and dandy as long as YOUR belief only AFFECTS YOUR WAY OF LIFE.

When beliefs start getting preached and used as "reason" by government, leaders, or society in general, it is time to start realizing what is happening, which is CONTROL by a clear and direct threat, in the form of man using religion as a tool to benefit a man made agenda.

[another day]

What a ridiculous thing to believe. ......

*COUGH*

...

*COUGH*

[Matt W]

Good grief. Folks, comment on the actual topic at hand, rather than going wide-ranging over religion as a whole, can you?

[Technosoul]

There should be no problem with the existance of two stories that have different endings, or one story that has the option of different endings.. People are not mandated to believe one over the other but have more choices to pick from.

Now when Jesus was a baby the King (like a Tom Cat) ordered the murder of all infants and so they movied the baby Jesus to Eqypt until things cooled down. Which story is like him moving to India when the rulers wanted to eliminate him later on.

I wonder if the King had killed him when he was an innocent baby if that would have consituted the sacrafice needed according to the Old Testiment? Would it have resulted in a new religion of believers?

Or was there more to it then the commonly taught importance of just being killed for our sins?

Also, why would he live a peaceful life in India, I would think he would be out talking and spreading his gospel in India also, which surely would have generated some debate there as well, as it did in his home town. Did he leave behind Mary and Mary, his brother, and the 11 friends who for so long followed him around? If so why, and what unknown person helped him to escape from Rome or wherever he was at, when exiting. Or did he just skip out on his own and walk to India? Where did he learn to speak the langwage used in India?

Does this mean the Jesus would approve of imagration from Mexico to the USA? Being he also immagrated once, and perhaps twice to another country.

I once saw a bumper sticker that sounded patriotic that read "the USA - love it or leave it" - would that motto apply to Mexicans if they did not "love" the political environment in Mexico?

Oops - got off track. but did manage to stay with the actural topic for most of this post.

How do we know if he did not move to India after coming out of the cave grave, and that rather then floating up to the sky heaven he vanished to india? He could have still died on the cross, still rose on Easter, and then left. That way both "religions" could keep their core beliefs. Good solution eh?

The part of him accending into the clouds could have been a vision rather then a historical report of a physical event.

Or, he could have been beamed up into a UFO hiding behind a cloud, and then dropped off later on in India. A little coast to coast idea for you Art Bell fans, and by the way he will also be back this weekend on radio after taking off time due to the death of his beloved wife.

Happy Easter weekend, by the way.

[Osborn F Enready]

MATT, sorry I derailed, I was "offended" when I was being preached at about "how the world is" and what the "truth" is.

I will shut up now.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready MATT, sorry I derailed, I was "offended" when I was being preached at about "how the world is" and what the "truth" is. I will shut up now.

These topics are not like railroad trains, they often drift off the tracks. It is sort of a natural momentum for one set of thoughts to migrate into another set of thoughts, like dreamstuff our thoughts hop around and seldom remain on the same idea for long. Concentration on school topics was always a problem because the mind wants to wander, like Moses always in search of "something" else. Try doing some transidental meditations and you will see what I mean.

This does not mean that Matt is wrong for telling us to stay concentrated, nor that our school teacher was wrong for making us concentrate on the topic of instruction. But it is hard to do that, sometimes.

So after you thoughts are done migrating to another subject, let them come home, did Jesus migrate to India or not?

[Osborn F Enready]

............

I can't play along.

It's like asking if Harry Potter migrated to India. (Is that what the author of the book wrote?)

[Technosoul]

Harry Potter does not need to migrate, he can use magic.

But you are right, there is no way to know for sure if the same Jesus person imagrated to India or not, so why play that song when we don't know for sure what the cords are.

It seems even odd that such a large percentage of our populaton is so dependant on what just one person did or did not do. Anyway that is all in the past and we should focus on the here and now, and what we should do about our current generation and the problems confronting it.

I was once a book collector and especially concerning topics dealing in spiritual topics, philosophy and the paranormal. i even had my own webpage called "Paranormal Perspectives". And as I recall there was a book out then (1980s) about this very topic. So I do not think this is a new discovery or anything like that. Lots of books that seemed to give logical or factual evidence about Biblical people. A book about how Moses used Witchcraft. A book about the popular kinds of visionary plants and drugs that were used during biblical times at those locations where some of the paranormal people dwelled. One called the "lost book of the Bible and the forgotten books of Adam and Eve". Lots of books that can totally dazzle and amaze you, including a score of books about biblical ufology (such as the book "Genesis Revisited").

According the "the late great planet earth" we got the predictiion that the rapture would no doubt occur around about 1990. But all that really happened was that the author got super rich.

The disproof is as hard to prove as the orginal story.

I recall my Sunday School teacher at the Baptist chruch, I was asking a question about the Bible that did not make sense to me and he said " a lot of people have gone toally insane trying to make sense out of everything in the Bible". So just make do with the parts that you can understand, and leave the rest alone.

In other words he said "don't play that tune".

[Osborn F Enready]

You got it.

[Jack]

Some christian groups believe that Jesus came to America and that the American Indian tribes are part of the lost tribes of Israel. Those are the only groups who have proposed a theory of what Jesus did during the first 30+ years of his life. So whether he traveled abroad during his lifetime or after his supposed death, it seems there are those who believe he didn't always stay close to home.