Creationiist alert. New fossil find proof of human evolution.

[Technosoul]

MSN news reported that a new human fossil found in Africa proves the theory of evolution of humans through time from another spiecies.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12286206/

So here we go again folks - want to dabate their clam?

Some could do another search on net to see if another webpage has more details, the news story was a little too breif.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

The UK View Creationism 'no place in schools' Leading scientists have warned against the teaching of creationism in schools, saying pupils must be clear that science backs the theory of evolution. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4896652.stm

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, said recently he was not comfortable with creationism being taught in schools.

[Sonart]

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This goes hand in hand with another recent discovery, the 'Limbed Fish', Tiktaalik roseae,...



...whose fins were developing into limbs for crawling. Making it, quite literally, the missing link.

So obviously, these scientists have made some kind of mistake, because as any creationist will tell you with self-righteous certainty, we've found NO TRANSITIONAL FORMS.

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[Matt W]

Technosoul, why didn't you dump this in the big 'Creation v Evolution' thread? Do we need yet another argument over this?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Matt W Technosoul, why didn't you dump this in the big 'Creation v Evolution' thread? Do we need yet another argument over this?

Your are correct to note that this would fit the ongoing tread about evolution - but a lot of people stopped reading that debate because such debates end up with people repeating the same stuff over and over.

We have fish living today that walk on land so that is not new. We have whales that have bones for legs and feet that became obsolete when they adopted to ocean life or deeper waters.

But proof that humans evolved from another spieces of primate is MAJOR NEWS that I did want to get lost unseen as part of a hundred other messages in the other posts, because such a fact would end the debates once and for all. It would suggest that the biblical story as normally interpreted is not in keeping with known scientific evidence.

[Boetie]

The Ichthyosaurus is weird in that it was at first a reptile but went back into the waters and became a fish.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Boetie The Ichthyosaurus is weird in that it was at first a reptile but went back into the waters and became a fish.

Good point - a kind of reverse evolution of what everything seemed to be doing. Things starting off on land and then evolving into sea life.

A missing link between human and primate could be proof that the apes mutated from humans and that is how they came into being. By reversed evolution.

"you can make a monkey out of a man, but you cannot make a man out of a monkey" my Mama said.

Evolution often follows the easyest path, like water does. So becoming less intelligent would be easy compared to getting smarter. Our present human population could be the last of the troop to go Ape. And that might take as long as we think.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Sonart ...whose fins were developing into limbs for crawling. Making it, quite literally, the missing link.

Can I steal that little Darwin fish with the modifications for my avatar?

[Technosoul]

that fish looks a lot like a Solomander to me. (spelling?)

[Technosoul]

Gee, i caught one of those while fishing in a remote part of China, and ate it for supper. Did not know it was an endangered species. Should have had it mounted for my wall.

Sorry, had to do a "funny".

[Aquietguy1]

How do they know it's 4.2 million years old?

[dthmstr254]

complications: I give that to seven different skeleton artists and I come back with seven different skeletons.

those teeth look exactly like my teeth models that I looked at in my dentist's office when we were figuring out what kind of things needed to be done to put my braces on, and come to find out, that mouth has the same amount of cuspids, bicuspids, molars and premolars as a human in its upper jaw. (look at the pic) I have bigger teeth and such. does that mean I ain't human?

the single complete bone is not near enough to assemble a full skeleton from, I bet the evolutionists will next put in some other animal's bones to fill in the gaps. it seems to be the MO.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Technosoul Good point - a kind of reverse evolution of what everything seemed to be doing. Things starting off on land and then evolving into sea life. A missing link between human and primate could be proof that the apes mutated from humans and that is how they came into being. By reversed evolution. "you can make a monkey out of a man, but you cannot make a man out of a monkey" my Mama said. Evolution often follows the easyest path, like water does. So becoming less intelligent would be easy compared to getting smarter. Our present human population could be the last of the troop to go Ape. And that might take as long as we think.

everything tends to disorder. in order to evolve up, evolution has to find somewhere to put all the disorder at. law of entropy. where did all the disorder go to? it evidently didn't go into our solar system, because that much disorder would destroy the solar system if it were to move through it. it just up and dissappear?

[Sonart]

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Quote by: Milton Bradly Can I steal that little Darwin fish with the modifications for my avatar?

Heck, I stole it from somewhere else... Be my guest. Besides, I already have one on my car.

Quote by: Technosoul that fish looks a lot like a Solomander to me. (spelling?)

It should... the next step up the evolutionary ladder were Amphibians. This was the proto-amphibian.

Quote by: AQuietGuy How do they know it's 4.2 million years old?

They wrote a bunch of numbers on the wall, and then threw darts. :rolleyes: They've figured out ways, Guy.

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[RickSp]

On the off chance that there are any believers on this forum who actually care about the science, here is a good and thorough discussion of Radiometric dating written specifically by a Christian scientist.

Radiometric Dating - A Christian Perspective

Radiometric dating--the process of determining the age of rocks from the decay of their radioactive elements--has been in widespread use for over half a century. There are over forty such techniques, each using a different radioactive element or a different way of measuring them. It has become increasingly clear that these radiometric dating techniques agree with each other and as a whole, present a coherent picture in which the Earth was created a very long time ago. Further evidence comes from the complete agreement between radiometric dates and other dating methods such as counting tree rings or glacier ice core layers. Many Christians have been led to distrust radiometric dating and are completely unaware of the great number of laboratory measurements that have shown these methods to be consistent. Many are also unaware that Bible-believing Christians are among those actively involved in radiometric dating. This paper describes in relatively simple terms how a number of the dating techniques work, how accurately the half-lives of the radioactive elements and the rock dates themselves are known, and how dates are checked with one another. In the process the paper refutes a number of misconceptions prevalent among Christians today. This paper is available on the web via the American Scientific Affiliation and related sites to promote greater understanding and wisdom on this issue, particularly within the Christian community.

[Technosoul]

Here is a new religious theory about evolution that i created in my own imagination.

The early Christians discovered that under the flat surface of the earth there exited a place called hell which is full of fire and breamstone. Very hot. Science and volannos have also proved theat those hot pockets are located under the surface of the earth. So when a bottomless pit is cracked open at the end of a cycular time span then the heat from hell causes global warming, according to Gods plan, and that generates forced adaptatons that cause evolutionary changes in a spicies or else they die off as did the Dinos.

Now I could go on "Coast to Coast" radio and find "believers" for this new theory.

However not even i would believe everything that i might imagine.