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[grandpa]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Nope. You always have to pay to get something. There is no free lunch.

People can do things freely, and have. I've given you personal examples.
They don't do it as often as they'd like--but they are compelled to obey the status quo.

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Not paying rent = stealing.

The social arrengement you are defending creates thieves. Both tenants and landlords are made into thieves under your vicious scheme.

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 They should be forced. Otherwise you're letting them get away with stealing. And the people paying rent agreed to pay it in the first place.

Stealing and fraud is inherently a part of this arrangement. It is set up so everybody is stealing all the time. The landlord uses force against the tenant just so someone can occupy a space (legal stealing), the tenant does not always make payments (the illegal kind of stealing).
Such forceful arrangements are actually the reason people go bankrupt and live in poverty. Nobody would choose this arrengement unless they were compelled into it. Then you justify this extortion by calling it a choice. Well, anything is a choice, but it doesn't mean it's the right one. The rational alternative is to let people live outside of this system of exploitation.

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Nope. Someone owns that house. Pay rent to them or get out.

Someone claims to own it, but they do not live there.
No house needs to be registered in order to exist and have people living in it.
As usual, your arguments are the same any protection racket would use. At the surface, they appear moral--using language about "theft" and protective service, but it is actually the opposite of what is moral.
I suggest people stop paying rent/property taxes and stay where they have lived. NOTHING will change outside of what the landlord/government will do. That is very revealing of what problems rent addresses---none. It IS the problem. It involves a forceful, irrational scheme designed to maintain class division (to the point of maintaining a caste system).
It is designed to create conflict, which is probably another reason you support it. You seem tolove the idea that you are better than everyone else--everybody else who you feel you must be in conflict with.

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Such choices don't exists. That's called stealing and you should be punished for it.

Choices always exist. But this shows how remarkably inconsistent you are. Just a few sentences ago you were telling me how people have a choice (which I agree with, though it's a very limited choice, to the point of almost being false), and now you say no choice exists. This logic that someone should claim something they do not use ought to be ignored as nonsense. Once again, we see the status quo defended by nonsense.

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Paying property taxes != the government owning my property.

The government owns your property. It owns land and buildings, which is the basis of landlordism. When you pay property taxes, you are purchasing your property. When you rent that property out to someone else, you are merely extending the fraud. In fact, landlords mimick the behavior of government--which is claiming ownership of things they do not use.

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 A private government can't exist because a government can only exist if taxes exist.

Not necessarily true. Government is "The agency or apparatus through which a governing individual or body functions and exercises authority." Nowhere in the definition are taxes even mentioned--that's because taxes needn't exist in order for people to have institutions.

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 An airplane falling from the sky and destroying your house is completely within the realm of possibility. Doesn't need to be considered when writing a contract.

If it happens, it ought to be considered, regardless of whether it's in the contract or not.

Grandpa h.