"The God Power"

[Lullaby Chainer]

I've been thinking.

If the powers of God were invested in any average, good willed, joe on the street, do you think this world would become a better place? I would think, with the capabilities and power of doing such good, I believe any average Joe would have the sense to make this world a better place if he were given the powers of God.

Is God really doing that good of a job? We have disease, rape, murder, torture, crime, injustice, pain, suffering, and a whole mess of chaos. And for some reason, I would trust the power of God with any stranger on the street to do a better job than what God has. Any stranger could make this world a better place, by a whole lot.

Just ask yourself, what would you do if you were God?

I for one, would do away with Hell.

I'd remove the desire to sin from my creations. (which actually doesn't make us robots, unless you admit we are all robots in Heaven)

I'd teach my creations of their own lives. I'd explain to them how to be good.

I'd give them the power to be good and make the right choices.

I'd do away with all pain and wickedness.

I'd do away with negative emotions such as envy or hate.

I'd fix Lucifer up and let him back in Heaven.

I'd make sure all of my creations were content and happy.

There would be no evil, there would be no pain, there would be no Eternal suffering in Hell, and there would be bliss for all, because, afterall, I'm God and I would do just that.

So.. what would you do with the powers of God? Do you think God is doing a very good job with what he is capable of?

[tman_ndsu08]

Not even God has said power.

Such a power is imaginary.


God created the universe. That's it. A big bang and a bunch of energy and matter inside a closed system.

[Technosoul]

Well, we had one alternative stranger who talked about the poverty and sickness he saw in the world, who by revelation concluded it was do to bad karma from a past life which is now being worked off in this life - by doing better. And we have Dr Phil who also suggests that each individual must imporve thier own reality and that we cannot expect external sources to do it for us.

The deisire for perfectionism causes us to be judgemental about the world we live in, as we judge each and every item we feel is not perfect. Perhaps if humans had never created the concept of prefectionism then we would have no cause to judge the world nor to blame God or the devil for how the world operates. And wherewith did people dream up those higher standards of perfectionism, for truely they are not fact-based.

Nonetheless as your wandering stranger I will set forth a means for a perfect world.

(1) - eliminate sex because that makes us reproductive and if you produce new generations of people you must make room for them by the elimination of those already here via death. If you did not have the birthing of new people then we would not have to make room and so death would no longer be needed to keep things in balance.

(2) - eliminate eating food. The fact that we now must eat food causes us and other animals, even germs, to consume one another. Which creates fear of death or sickness. Also the fact that we must eat food means we must work in some manner to get food to eat - and so we cannot be free and end up like slaves of the money changers, and so forth.

And so if you did not have to eat food and if you could not die (because we would not be reproductive) then war would be useless becasuse you could not kill anyone. You would have no need for pain as a means of motivation to steer us away from death or starvation. As we become independant of food as an outside energy source we become healthy and our body would emoploy natual self healing abilities.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Not even God has said power. Such a power is imaginary. God created the universe. That's it. A big bang and a bunch of energy and matter inside a closed system.

Well I'm speaking to those who believe in an active God or would like to participate.

I don't even believe in God. I just don't understand how a theist can look up to their god as some kinda perfect admirable being when any average Joe could do a better job as God.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer I've been thinking. If the powers of God were invested in any average, good willed, joe on the street, do you think this world would become a better place? I would think, with the capabilities and power of doing such good, I believe any average Joe would have the sense to make this world a better place if he were given the powers of God. Is God really doing that good of a job? We have disease, rape, murder, torture, crime, injustice, pain, suffering, and a whole mess of chaos. And for some reason, I would trust the power of God with any stranger on the street to do a better job than what God has. Any stranger could make this world a better place, by a whole lot. Just ask yourself, what would you do if you were God? I for one, would do away with Hell.

and put people like Bin Laden in heaven. if he is in heaven, I ain't going.

I'd remove the desire to sin from my creations. (which actually doesn't make us robots, unless you admit we are all robots in Heaven)

means we are unable to make a choice. that makes us robots. never said that we wouldn't be tested periodically in heaven. you forget, we make the choice to become sinless, thus making the removal of sin of OUR OWN will AND His will. if YOU took away sin, you would be doing it without our will, thus making us robots.

I'd teach my creations of their own lives. I'd explain to them how to be good.

God does, just read the Bible.

I'd give them the power to be good and make the right choices.

he does. "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

I'd do away with all pain and wickedness.

that is coming. pain and wickedness is a direct result of sin. when we reach heaven because of our choice to follow Him, sin is gone, and thus no pain, grief, or wickedness.

I'd do away with negative emotions such as envy or hate.

you really need to just put this with my answer to sin.

I'd fix Lucifer up and let him back in Heaven.

lucifer made a choice, and is CONTINUING TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.

I'd make sure all of my creations were content and happy.

I'm happy. those of us who follow Him may be going through trials and tribulations, but He gives us His "peace that passeth all understanding."

There would be no evil, there would be no pain, there would be no Eternal suffering in Hell, and there would be bliss for all, because, afterall, I'm God and I would do just that.

and if you were God, I wouldn't give you ten minutes before one of us pissed you off and you shot us down.

So.. what would you do with the powers of God? Do you think God is doing a very good job with what he is capable of?

well, to tell the truth, I would have destroyed Adam and Eve and started over again. see, that way sin never makes it into the world.

[Lullaby Chainer]

and put people like Bin Laden in heaven. if he is in heaven, I ain't going.

^^ That's cute.

means we are unable to make a choice. that makes us robots. never said that we wouldn't be tested periodically in heaven. you forget, we make the choice to become sinless, thus making the removal of sin of OUR OWN will AND His will. if YOU took away sin, you would be doing it without our will, thus making us robots.

Lol, I said I would remove the desire to commit sin. Silly.. ^^

God does, just read the Bible.

No silly! Not everyone learns from your God about our own lives. I certainly haven't, and it won't do me much good once I'm in Hell with the rest of God's faulty creations.

he does. "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

Well good for him! Too bad his method of doing so hasn't done much good for this world at all. ^^ As God, I'd make sure everyone actually wanted to be good, just like if we were all in Heaven right now. ^^ It shouldn't be too hard with the powers of God.

that is coming. pain and wickedness is a direct result of sin. when we reach heaven because of our choice to follow Him, sin is gone, and thus no pain, grief, or wickedness.

Ah ok. Thankyou for that revelation. I had no idea wickedness was somehow connected to sin. O.o

Did you not even read my post? ^^ I would do away with all pain and wickedness. ALL pain and wickedness. Not just for the folks who make it to Heaven while letting the too-faulty creations go to Hell to suffer forever. ^^

you really need to just put this with my answer to sin.

I'm sorry dth, I wasn't aware of your "answers" at the time of typing my post. O.o

Btw, your answer to sin sucks! ^^

lucifer made a choice, and is CONTINUING TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.

I don't care. ^^ As God, I'd help him learn to be good. I wouldn't just shun him away. ^^ Escpecially when he was beating up and torturing my poor creations.. -sniffles- As God, I'd do something bout it. ^^

I'm happy. those of us who follow Him may be going through trials and tribulations, but He gives us His "peace that passeth all understanding."

Ah, that's all that matters right? That you're happy? ^^ I said I wanted all my creations to be content and happy and not have to go through this sinful world of suffering only to lead a ton of people to Hell to suffer to an enormous degree forever and ever. ^^

and if you were God, I wouldn't give you ten minutes before one of us pissed you off and you shot us down.

Oh? ^^

[Jack]

Be god? No thanks. All those people babbling at you non-stop, 24/7, asking to have their lottery tickets blessed, asking you to make their sucky lives more bearable, asking you to smite their enemies.
The pay sucks and the housing situation is questionable (clouds?).
But if you want the job, Lullaby Chainer, I'll vote for you. Almost anyone with good judgement and an ounce of true concern for their creations could do a better job than the current office-holder...who isn't really there, may I add. :)

[zynner]

Lullaby,

The only way any of that could possibly make sense is if gods are just creations of human imagination. Once you realize that no gods ever really existed and that all gods are just creations of human imagination, then the world starts to make sense and all these mind-bending questions are answered.

Of course, it also makes you somewhat sad that so much misery is caused by and wasted on these fantasies. On the other hand, it frees you to move on and embrace life rather than waste so much time on meaningless questions that nobody can answer if they are coming from a mental frame that imaginary beings are real.

~ zynner

[Lullaby Chainer]

lol, I'm an Atheist, kid. ^^ Hence I made yet another thread on volconvo that opposes the Christian bubble our theist freinds live in.

And it is sad what religion has done to mankind. Very sad indeed..

[zynner]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer lol, I'm an Atheist, kid. ^^

LOL. Then, we'll let the peanut gallery consider this thread and its meaning while we talk about important stuff, like hot chicks. ;-)

(Of course, Isherwood might wanna go a different direction, but hey... that's why god made chocolate and vanilla -- lol)

~ zynner

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: zynner LOL. Then, we'll let the peanut gallery consider this thread and its meaning while we talk about important stuff, like hot chicks. ;-) (Of course, Isherwood might wanna go a different direction, but hey... that's why god made chocolate and vanilla -- lol) ~ zynner

I concur!! Hot chicks should be nominated as our new God!!

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Lol, I said I would remove the desire to commit sin. Silly.. ^^

removing the desire removes the ability. no ability=no choice=robot

No silly! Not everyone learns from your God about our own lives. I certainly haven't, and it won't do me much good once I'm in Hell with the rest of God's faulty creations.

you make the choice to not obey God, you make the CHOICE to go to hell.

Well good for him! Too bad his method of doing so hasn't done much good for this world at all. ^^ As God, I'd make sure everyone actually wanted to be good, just like if we were all in Heaven right now. ^^ It shouldn't be too hard with the powers of God.

haven't I already said this, we are able to make a choice. example: just because a guy walks near a bar doesn't mean he has to go in. just because you are offered the chance to smoke a reefer doesn't mean you have to smoke it. if you have the ability to say no and don't, you have made a choice to say yes.

Did you not even read my post? ^^ I would do away with all pain and wickedness. ALL pain and wickedness. Not just for the folks who make it to Heaven while letting the too-faulty creations go to Hell to suffer forever. ^^

they make a choice to sin and be wicked, they make a choice to go to hell. reading Romans, there was no fault in Adam prior to his sin in the garden. he had no sin at all. only the ability to sin. "for by one man did sin enter the world...". however, if you read the parts of the Bible that DON'T damn you to hell, you might see a redeeming proclamation. everybody has heard, and probably memorized, John 3:16. "for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life." we have a way out. you know all the damning proclamations about sin, we all have heard that sin damns us. however, Romans says, "the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT OF GOD is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord."

I don't care. ^^ As God, I'd help him learn to be good. I wouldn't just shun him away. ^^ Escpecially when he was beating up and torturing my poor creations.. -sniffles- As God, I'd do something bout it. ^^

I'm sorry, but if you want to be with Lucifer, go ahead. I ain't going to be with someone as low, sleezy, and UNWILLING TO CHANGE as he. you know how many women have stayed in abusive relationships thinking they could change the men who were abusing them? you would be just like that.

Ah, that's all that matters right? That you're happy? ^^ I said I wanted all my creations to be content and happy and not have to go through this sinful world of suffering only to lead a ton of people to Hell to suffer to an enormous degree forever and ever. ^^

their choice. if they choopse to be royal buttheads, let them be that way. God is trying to change us, but if we don't let Him work, how can we expect Him to change us?

Quote by: Isherwood But if you want the job, Lullaby Chainer, I'll vote for you. Almost anyone with good judgement and an ounce of true concern for their creations could do a better job than the current office-holder

sorry, there are no openings in the Godhead, and it isn't a democracy. it's a republic, and He was voted for life, which is forever. His judgement is perfect, and His concern is there. He wants to change us, but we don't let Him. you choose to push Him away from yourself, you won't get His help. to draw a parallel, I am in a lifeguarding class. if I need to rescue someone who is active on the surface, and find that they are refusing help (in a violent manner) I can't aid them. I should try to save someone, but in a rescue, I must weigh the health of him AND myself. I can't pull someone in if I break bones now can I?

[Jack]

removing the desire removes the ability. no ability=no choice=robot

Lame. You can't breathe fire, either. No ability=no choice=robot?

He wants to change us, but we don't let Him.

Right. It's our fault he made us imperfect. No, wait, he allowed us to become imperfect, and knew we were going to do so. No, no, wait...he created us perfect but we invented sin.
Do you see why this makes natural thinkers so crazy?

you choose to push Him away from yourself, you won't get His help

But he's all powerful, loves us and wants us to go to hell. Logical progression?

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer I just don't understand how a theist can look up to their god as some kinda perfect admirable being when any average Joe could do a better job as God.

The omniprescent, omnipotent, omniscent, and omnibenevolent God is a fairytale.

[Lullaby Chainer]

removing the desire removes the ability. no ability=no choice=robot

So are we robots in Heaven? ^^ Is God a robot? ^^

Seriously, is a little pychotic rule invented by Christians on the problem of sin and robots going to stop an all-mighty god? If he wanted to, he would make it so.

you make the choice to not obey God, you make the CHOICE to go to hell.

Ok, and as God, I choose to create a world without suffering. Without doubt of my existance. Because, I don't want the too-flawed creations of mine to get lost without me in this chaotic world of suffering only to be sent to Hell to suffer forever.

Also.. how am I disobeying something that knows I won't believe in it from the moment and before he creates me? You see, the only thing I'm disobeying, is Christians like you. ^^

haven't I already said this, we are able to make a choice. example: just because a guy walks near a bar doesn't mean he has to go in. just because you are offered the chance to smoke a reefer doesn't mean you have to smoke it. if you have the ability to say no and don't, you have made a choice to say yes. they make a choice to sin and be wicked, they make a choice to go to hell. reading Romans, there was no fault in Adam prior to his sin in the garden. he had no sin at all. only the ability to sin. "for by one man did sin enter the world...". however, if you read the parts of the Bible that DON'T damn you to hell, you might see a redeeming proclamation. everybody has heard, and probably memorized, John 3:16. "for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life." we have a way out. you know all the damning proclamations about sin, we all have heard that sin damns us. however, Romans says, "the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT OF GOD is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord." their choice. if they choopse to be royal buttheads, let them be that way. God is trying to change us, but if we don't let Him work, how can we expect Him to change us?

Well, as God, I wouldn't have the sick desire to test my creations with a world of suffering only to "see" them make a choice that I ALREADY KNOW they're going to make.

You see, as God, I wouldn't have such a sick desire and would rather show my creations the light of Heaven without having to "test" them and ultimately send so many who fail the test to Hell to suffer forever.

I'm sorry, but if you want to be with Lucifer, go ahead. I ain't going to be with someone as low, sleezy, and UNWILLING TO CHANGE as he. you know how many women have stayed in abusive relationships thinking they could change the men who were abusing them? you would be just like that.

Ah, I can't blame you. ^^ You are not perfect like God. Don't worry, I'll have a special place for people like you who don't want to get along with all of my children, including Lucifer.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer So are we robots in Heaven? ^^ Is God a robot? ^^ Seriously, is a little pychotic rule invented by Christians on the problem of sin and robots going to stop an all-mighty god? If he wanted to, he would make it so.

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a little pychotic (do you mean PIE-cotic or PSY-chotic? ) rule created by GOD. He wants us to CHOOSE to love him. if you have no desire to choose sin, then there would be no choice. he might as well be holding an all-mighty gun to our heads and saying "love me" if He goes your way. we would have no choice. your idea as your new position of the "wannabe god" are a virtual paradox.

Ok, and as God, I choose to create a world without suffering. Without doubt of my existance. Because, I don't want the too-flawed creations of mine to get lost without me in this chaotic world of suffering only to be sent to Hell to suffer forever. Also.. how am I disobeying something that knows I won't believe in it from the moment and before he creates me? You see, the only thing I'm disobeying, is Christians like you. ^^

"the heavens declare the glory of God." if He explicitly proved His existance, then what would be the point of faith? you know what people would do then? same thing they are doing to George Bush. criticize His every move.

Well, as God, I wouldn't have the sick desire to test my creations with a world of suffering only to "see" them make a choice that I ALREADY KNOW they're going to make. You see, as God, I wouldn't have such a sick desire and would rather show my creations the light of Heaven without having to "test" them and ultimately send so many who fail the test to Hell to suffer forever.

the suffering is a direct result of our own stupidity. if you won't listen to the ones He sends into your life, you won't listen to Him.

Ah, I can't blame you. ^^ You are not perfect like God. Don't worry, I'll have a special place for people like you who don't want to get along with all of my children, including Lucifer.

boy am I glad I won't have to listen to you and others like you who are so self-conceited and self-centered that they think they know everything. it has been tried according to your rules. you know what happened? the USSR, China, Iran, etc.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Isherwood Lame. You can't breathe fire, either. No ability=no choice=robot?

butane+match+your mouth=breathing fire.

Right. It's our fault he made us imperfect. No, wait, he allowed us to become imperfect, and knew we were going to do so. No, no, wait...he created us perfect but we invented sin.

no, it's our fault that we DECIDED to screw over His creation.

Do you see why this makes natural thinkers so crazy?

people like Copernicus and Newton?

But he's all powerful, loves us and wants us to go to hell. Logical progression?

"for God is willing that none should perish."
He doesn't want us to go to hell. we make the decision to sin, and by sinning, we must accept our wages.
"for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: dthmstr254 butane+match+your mouth=breathing fire. no, it's our fault that we DECIDED to screw over His creation. people like Copernicus and Newton? "for God is willing that none should perish." He doesn't want us to go to hell. we make the decision to sin, and by sinning, we must accept our wages. "for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Have anything to say in response to my reply? Or do you now agree with what I'm saying?

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer I've been thinking. If the powers of God were invested in any average, good willed, joe on the street, do you think this world would become a better place? I would think, with the capabilities and power of doing such good, I believe any average Joe would have the sense to make this world a better place if he were given the powers of God. Is God really doing that good of a job? We have disease, rape, murder, torture, crime, injustice, pain, suffering, and a whole mess of chaos. And for some reason, I would trust the power of God with any stranger on the street to do a better job than what God has. Any stranger could make this world a better place, by a whole lot. Just ask yourself, what would you do if you were God? I for one, would do away with Hell. I'd remove the desire to sin from my creations. (which actually doesn't make us robots, unless you admit we are all robots in Heaven) I'd teach my creations of their own lives. I'd explain to them how to be good. I'd give them the power to be good and make the right choices. I'd do away with all pain and wickedness. I'd do away with negative emotions such as envy or hate. I'd fix Lucifer up and let him back in Heaven. I'd make sure all of my creations were content and happy. There would be no evil, there would be no pain, there would be no Eternal suffering in Hell, and there would be bliss for all, because, afterall, I'm God and I would do just that. So.. what would you do with the powers of God? Do you think God is doing a very good job with what he is capable of?

You display a painfully childish and simplistic understanding. Books and books have been written on the premise of doing precisely what you have suggested and in each, the writer has been wise enough to maintain that it would not end well. Books like Fahrenheit 451 and 1984. In each case, the utopia you described required the destruction of will and creative thought, of love and emotion, of invention and motivation. Basically, in order to acquire paradise, humans were required to forfeit their humanity and become automatons.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. You should know by now that any mortal man who had absolute power would just use it for his own selfish ends. Ever seen "Bruce Almighty"? What that average Joe did with absolute power was mild in comparison with what most of us would do. Mankind tried once before to be God and it didn't turn out too well for any of us.

Men can't even manage their own insignificant lives. What hell do you think would be released if they tried to manage the universe? I can tell you for certain that I would be scared beyond explanation if some human being even had an iota of God's power, with one exception: Christ alone.

[dthmstr254]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Have anything to say in response to my reply? Or do you now agree with what I'm saying?

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