un-common sense =non-sense?????

[Kuldeep]

Some views which sound peculiar and absurd and naturally differ with that of general public. Very conveniently everybody terms it non-sense. Later with the passage of time, with persuvation and in depth study with newer techniques developed later, those un-common views are sometimes found to be ashtonishingly true. Examples to this effect can be many. Earth is round and flat for example.

Whom the blame should go for such gross mistake???

I want to stress upon that un-common sense should not be always equated to non-sense.

I opened this thread with a mind to listen to others what they think about this mistake by people having nice common sense!!!!!!! :(

[SteveA]

The world IS flat. Space is curved. (Just kidding. Though it's not an impossible view, but don't put that down as an answer on a science test unless you want a low score)

Depending on the current social/democratic consensus one view can be popularly consider non-sense while the other viewed as common sense. Times change and so do views and definitions.

I agree that there are many interesting examples of lines of thought that occured thousands of years ago that seemed to be more insightful than people typically recognize.

There truly are few, if any, viewpoints that don't have other possibly equally valid viewpoints. For example, someone might prefer working with binary numbers and say 1+1=10, instead of 2. There's nothing wrong with this as long as it's clear and proves useful. There's a principle called Computational Equivalence that basically says there are many ways of doing the same thing. Someone could create 100 different programming languages that could all be capable of writing a program though they would look different and likely use different methods, but all the while accomplishing the same thing.

Given that there can multiple ways of accomplishing the same thing, one might choose to optimize some value. Generally, having views that are compatible with others allows you to easily communicate them as well as benefit from the interchange, though if it's too clumsy or inefficient to do this, there's little reason you should have to stick with conventions if striking out on your own seems likely to have a better pay off. If there's benefits to this, other people gradually follow and what appeared as uncommon sense becomes common.

[Plasma Snake[D]]

there is alot of new or recurring ideas that make more sense than conventional "common sense" or logic. But there are alooooot of dumbasses out there that hold some type of narcissistic view, that they think everyone else is wrong or something as a defense mechanism due to fears and anxieties. Sometimes it's a grey area. Religion plays on the fact that we are transient, so it is kind of realistic in it's ways. People are cautious when venturing into unfamiliar territory. It's like dipping your toe to check the waters temperature.

[Dadoo]

Kuldeep-
anything uncommon is a gift.
There are people who act as if they are right out of a book.
How common.
Uncommon sense is the product of an unobstructed view. In the beginning(s) it was the common sense. In the middle(s) it was rare and sought after. In end(s), as in now, it is so rare that it is no longer believed to exist by the masses. Yet, it will be the spark that ignites the explosion of novelty, careening all sentient beings back to the promethean mind. Or something to that effect.
You are a gem. don't fret. At the least it's innefficient to the achieving of your ends.
If you mean what you say, it should not sound like another person. You are a complete individual, when one chooses to see that.
Until then, we hear much chatter about base, common sense.
Look how far it has taken us!
*wink*

'doo

[Athena]

In US it is common sense to drive on the right side of the road. In Britain it is common sense to drive on the left side of the road.

In places in Africa, it is common sense to live far from the river and carry water. To US Peace Corp people, it was common sense to live by the water and not carry the water so far. What the Peace Corp folks didn't know is, the increased risk of mosquitoes and disease, makes it a bad idea to live close to the water.

Americans assume their sense of time is only common sense. It is rude to be more than 10 minutes late for a meeting. This sense of time can be very problematic when they are dealing with people from others cultures who do not have the same sense of time and therefore, the same idea of good and bad manners.

To a large degree, it is our cultures that determine what is common sense. It is unfortunate that so few people know this. This is particularly a problem, when it is socially agreed that putting down people and insulting them, is okay. Good manners are even more important when dealing with people from other cultures.

From the beginning of civilization it has always been the mixing of cultures and learning from others that advances civilizations. People who are too up tight about what they believe is common sense, have very small lives and do not know enough of the world. But if they stay in these forums long enough, they will learn better, because we are so fortunate to have people from around the world here. This is what in time will change global consciousness and separate us from the past, as we enter the New Age.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: SteveA Generally, having views that are compatible with others allows you to easily communicate them as well as benefit from the interchange, though if it's too clumsy or inefficient to do this, there's little reason you should have to stick with conventions if striking out on your own seems likely to have a better pay off. If there's benefits to this, other people gradually follow and what appeared as uncommon sense becomes common.

Your analysis is perfect! But, the problem is by the time the idea becomes compatible, during communication & life time of Genious, his uncommon sense without much of hesitation, is termed as Nonsense. My point is can/should there be fixed any punishment for those who termed it nonsense previously and reward for kith and kins of the idea giver, who is now dead????

anything uncommon is a gift. There are people who act as if they are right out of a book. How common. Uncommon sense is the product of an unobstructed view. In the beginning(s) it was the common sense. In the middle(s) it was rare and sought after. In end(s), as in now, it is so rare that it is no longer believed to exist by the masses. Yet, it will be the spark that ignites the explosion of novelty, careening all sentient beings back to the promethean mind. Or something to that effect.

Dadoo, I like the way you attack the problem posed to you! Yes unobstructed idea would be novel and un-common and it is very true. I see this sentence itself as uncommon. But this post of your's is not replying my question posed now clearly to SteevA as above.

Wait, in your second para there is some confusion!!! I shall put it this way: In the begining it was nonsense for others, perfect sense for provider. In the middle it was rare and sought badly. In the end it is common sense with no much hoots to the nonsense provider, but has become a property of science. Is this not injustice for that great person who seize to exist???? Well, explosion of novelty is there but, alas no benefit to the person who ignited the spark!!!!!!

You are a gem. don't fret. At the least it's innefficient to the achieving of your ends. If you mean what you say, it should not sound like another person. You are a complete individual, when one chooses to see that. Until then, we hear much chatter about base, common sense.

Again you are correct, if individual thinks unbiased it wound sound un common. Thanks for suggestions not to fret!!

To a large degree, it is our cultures that determine what is common sense. It is unfortunate that so few people know this. This is particularly a problem, when it is socially agreed that putting down people and insulting them, is okay. Good manners are even more important when dealing with people from other cultures.

The observation made is correct, but I reffered to the "uncommon sense" in one set culture which, is termed as nonsense to begin with. Then, by the time people realise the importance the genious has already passed away, the idea becomes first important in the middle and finally in future, a simple common sense in the end, as explained above.

[Athena]

Last night I watched a TV show about the number 1. It seems common sense to count things, and have numberals that make figuring things out mathematically possible, but originally this was non-sense. The truth can exist without being sensed. The story of math is so exciting as each discovery came slowly. The concept of 0 is particularly awesome, and India has been credited with this discovery.


We may have "knowledge" that prevents us from realizing "truth". Such as knowledge that lead to the common sense of knowing the earth is flat. A belief in truth that caused those with uncommon sense to loose their lives when the church had the power to persecute those who dared to speak a truth that was not in agreement with the church's concept of truth. Common man may trust in common sense, but it is not be trusted.

[Dadoo]

Kuldeep-

I understand a bit more.
Firstly, does it truly matter who gets the accolades for the products of ingenious thought?
To a "genius", I'd hope not. That is, the ends are far more important than the means, at least in regard to provenance of concepts and applications.
If a man or woman is mocked or scorned for holding uncommon views it is still an option to act without fretting.
One MUST not validate their opinions through another's mind!

It is not what the debaters are speaking of that we should ponder; it is what they do not mention, that they have taken for granted.
However, in my odd experience, personal truths that do not agree with popular opinions are often mocked, scorned or ignored.
I really couldn't care.
I seek the ones who have the understanding, intelligence and creativity to illuminate new thoughts and help organize my own experiences into a cohesive platform.
Most often, these people tend to disagree and polarize.

Yet, if we all agreed, one of us is unneccessary.
Take care and keep shining.
Dadoo

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Dadoo Kuldeep- I understand a bit more. Firstly, does it truly matter who gets the accolades for the products of ingenious thought? To a "genius", I'd hope not. That is, the ends are far more important than the means, at least in regard to provenance of concepts and applications. If a man or woman is mocked or scorned for holding uncommon views it is still an option to act without fretting. One MUST not validate their opinions through another's mind! It is not what the debaters are speaking of that we should ponder; it is what they do not mention, that they have taken for granted. However, in my odd experience, personal truths that do not agree with popular opinions are often mocked, scorned or ignored. I really couldn't care. I seek the ones who have the understanding, intelligence and creativity to illuminate new thoughts and help organize my own experiences into a cohesive platform. Most often, these people tend to disagree and polarize. Yet, if we all agreed, one of us is unneccessary. Take care and keep shining. Dadoo

Thanks for bringing out the point and for the surmon!!! In fact, my name is made up of two parts: Kul (My dynasity, root of our family chain) and Deep (Lamp). whether I am shining or not I can not say since it is others who can tell whether I am shining or not. Lamp shines others, itself it would remain dark as ever!!!!!